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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2017 15:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Mar 7, 2017 15:29:31 GMT -5
I don't frequently approach campus from the east on 290 but did the other day. The entire appearance of the upper campus has changed. The building is quite massive. I am hopeful that it will be a real boon for recruiting and game preparation for a number of teams---especially lax, baseball and softball.
I note that NP boasted of turf "jogging lanes" around the edge of the turf practice facility. I suppose that the emphasis on this is supposed to be a sop to the track team which will lose its indoor facility when the fieldhouse renovations occur.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2017 15:33:03 GMT -5
I don't frequently approach campus from the east on 290 but did the other day. The entire appearance of the upper campus has changed. The building is quite massive. Too massive ? affecting the architectural beauty ? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2017 15:53:59 GMT -5
Very impressive--- nice to see the update
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Post by sarasota on Mar 7, 2017 21:50:25 GMT -5
will definitely help recruiting
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Post by alum on Mar 8, 2017 8:11:52 GMT -5
I don't frequently approach campus from the east on 290 but did the other day. The entire appearance of the upper campus has changed. The building is quite massive. Too massive ? affecting the architectural beauty ? It doesn't look better, but it is not so much worse as to be a big deal. Benefits outweigh any issues I have. I was looking specifically for the Luth addition so it stood out, but I think, for most, that the "spires of Fenwick" are still what catches one's eye. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2017 8:14:52 GMT -5
Too massive ? affecting the architectural beauty ? It doesn't look better, but it is not so much worse as to be a big deal. Benefits outweigh any issues I have. I was looking specifically for the Luth addition so it stood out, but I think, for most, that the "spires of Fenwick" are still what catches one's eye. True enough, but that is on the lower campus. What happens to one's eye when he/she peers over the upper campus ? |
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 8, 2017 9:00:18 GMT -5
I approach campus from the east all the time and I am actually surprised the Luth does not stand out more than it does and agree that the upper campus is transformed, however it is not just from the the LAC.
I think part of what you see approaching from the east is Figge Hall, the apartment style dorm located between Brooks-Mulledy and the LAC. The architecture and angles of Figge & Luth are similar enough and they are in close enough proximity to one another that they appear to be a single building.
As to the Spires of Fenwick and the O'Kane Clock tower, they are still eye catching during the day but at night they are DARK and that has bothereed me for a while now. The light face on the O'Kane Clock is illuminated, but that's it and it is not very obvious what it is.
Seems to me some lighting on the Fenwick Spires and O'Kane clock tower will allow the College to stand out at night to all who pass by.
You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.
Matthew 5:14-16
In 2 years when I've made that last tuition payment, perhaps I can fund it. Anyone want to join me?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 9:02:20 GMT -5
It doesn't look better, but it is not so much worse as to be a big deal. Benefits outweigh any issues I have. I was looking specifically for the Luth addition so it stood out, but I think, for most, that the "spires of Fenwick" are still what catches one's eye. True enough, but that is on the lower campus. What happens to one's eye when he/she peers over the upper campus ? To those looking up, and depending on where one strands, the performing arts center will likely cut off the view of Luth from the Easy St dorms. The PAC looks to be 40-50 feet high, and the facade looks to be rust-hued terra cotta (ceramic) and what might be pre-cast, aggregate stone panels. The latter are quite white, almost an oyster white. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 8, 2017 9:10:50 GMT -5
PP,
Are these drawings available to the public anywhere? Haven't seen anything since the architectural firm that did not win posted their competition entry. I heard something was shown at the President's Council in November but still have not seen anything .
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Post by rickii on Mar 8, 2017 9:16:26 GMT -5
When I'm cleaning out the gutters on the Contemplative Center can I see the Luth ?
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 8, 2017 9:21:31 GMT -5
I doubt it. I drive past the contemplative center on I-190 on my way to HC albeit at a lower elevation than gutter level, and I can't see any of part of Worcester from that point. I'll double check to be sure when I bring HC19 back to school after Spring Break on Sunday. 😁
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 9:33:25 GMT -5
![]() ![]()  The east side of Hogan would be just to the right of the tree trunk. I cropped it out of this image. The PAC is in the shape of a cross, though asymmetrical. |
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 8, 2017 9:36:07 GMT -5
True enough, but that is on the lower campus. What happens to one's eye when he/she peers over the upper campus ? To those looking up, and depending on where one strands, the performing arts center will likely cut off the view of Luth from the Easy St dorms. The PAC looks to be 40-50 feet high, and the facade looks to be rust-hued terra cotta (ceramic) and what might be pre-cast, aggregate stone panels. The latter are quite white, almost an oyster white. the look of the upper campus will be different than the lower...the Luth + the PAC begs where is the upper campus parking and where will the main access to the upper campus be?... the hairpin turn on McCarthy Way is not ideal... driving between Figge & Luth has an almost city canyon feel... entering/exiting around the OFH has always been less than ideal... apparently, from Fr B's recent comments, the OFH will be raised and a NFH will replace it on the same site. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 9:44:39 GMT -5
To those looking up, and depending on where one strands, the performing arts center will likely cut off the view of Luth from the Easy St dorms. The PAC looks to be 40-50 feet high, and the facade looks to be rust-hued terra cotta (ceramic) and what might be pre-cast, aggregate stone panels. The latter are quite white, almost an oyster white. the look of the upper campus will be different than the lower...the Luth + the PAC begs where is the upper campus parking and where will the main access to the upper campus be? ... apparently, from Fr B's recent comments, the OFH will be raised and a NFH will replace it on the same site. My understanding was that the bumpout additions on the north and south sides would be removed, the road on the south side would become two-way, the road on the north side would be eliminated, and the north side would be expanded to the north by x feet. The expansion to the north is why the road is being discontinued. I believe this is the new architect. Sasaki was never the architect, they apparenytly just did a rendering for HC marketing purposes. www.smma.com/work/fit-body-fit-mind |
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 8, 2017 9:49:55 GMT -5
Thanks Phreek. If that was the rendering used at the President's Council, with that bleak Worcester Winter as foreground, no wonder the reported response was muted
I had heard the same thing about the Old Fieldhouse.
On parking - almost certainly a parking garage perhaps between the Hart Center and Hogan
My guess on upper campus access ...
... short term Gate 6 or 7 (the gates on either side of the fieldhouse) - one will be closed, the other widened.
... long term - after the one or 2 more property acquisitions the City View Street gate becomes the main access to the upper campus.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 10:00:05 GMT -5
I had heard the same thing about the Old Fieldhouse. On parking - almost certainly a parking garage perhaps between the Hart Center and Hogan My guess on upper campus access ... ... short term Gate 6 or 7 (the gates on either side of the fieldhouse) - one will be closed, the other widened. ... long term - after the one or 2 more property acquisitions the City View Street gate becomes the main access to the upper campus. On upper campus access, I understood the south gate (7?) would be widened. I think 6 remains open to provide access to Wheeler and O'Neill. Last I looked, they are still three properties short on City View. I wonder if they would turn City View into a one way going east, and those living on City View would exit through the campus. They will need a parking garage. The now north wall of the OFH is supposedly mostly glass. . |
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Post by lou on Mar 8, 2017 10:07:23 GMT -5
Thanks Phreek. If that was the rendering used at the President's Council, with that bleak Worcester Winter as foreground, no wonder the reported response was muted. As I recall that was not what was shown |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 10:14:26 GMT -5
There are other renders; I chose that one because it illustrated the perspective from Easy St looking up toward Luth. The other renders are 'summery'.
On City View, one of the three non HC property owners, a widow, died about a year or so ago.
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Post by alum on Mar 8, 2017 10:18:28 GMT -5
I approach campus from the east all the time and I am actually surprised the Luth does not stand out more than it does and agree that the upper campus is transformed, however it is not just from the the LAC. I think part of what you see approaching from the east is Figge Hall, the apartment style dorm located between Brooks-Mulledy and the LAC. The architecture and angles of Figge & Luth are similar enough and they are in close enough proximity to one another that they appear to be a single building.As to the Spires of Fenwick and the O'Kane Clock tower, they are still eye catching during the day but at night they are DARK and that has bothereed me for a while now. The light face on the O'Kane Clock is illuminated, but that's it and it is not very obvious what it is. Seems to me some lighting on the Fenwick Spires and O'Kane clock tower will allow the College to stand out at night to all who pass by. You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house. Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father. Matthew 5:14-16In 2 years when I've made that last tuition payment, perhaps I can fund it. Anyone want to join me? You are probably right. I was going by at 55 mph and not really able to study it carefully. |
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Post by alum on Mar 8, 2017 10:20:37 GMT -5
PP keeps us up to date on the City View properties which is great. Some of that area is going to be needed someday to build a President's residence when we end up with a non Jesuit President.
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 8, 2017 12:13:35 GMT -5
PP keeps us up to date on the City View properties which is great. Some of that area is going to be needed someday to build a President's residence when we end up with a non Jesuit President. interesting point... such a residence would raise the question of city real estate taxes... PILOT is always a hot issue in Worcester... it may have already been resolved considering... Ciampi House was originally 2 lots/residences fronting on City View used for student housing in the '80/'90's |
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Post by hc89 on Mar 8, 2017 12:32:32 GMT -5
What is the expected completion date for the PAC?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 12:45:11 GMT -5
I believe HC pays property taxes on those properties that it owns, and rents. I don't believe it pays property taxes on land where it demolished and cleared the residential housing on the properties at the time of purchase (principally on Caro).
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I believe final design of the PAC is complete, and its probably a two year construction period. Mr. Prior is getting up there in years, so that may be a consideration.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2017 14:29:06 GMT -5
goo.gl/maps/QzMRJft7NiE2This was once distressed housing stock on Grant St near Memorial Drive that was bought by Harvard, and rebuilt. One can spot these buildings by the fire alarm anunciators by the front door. I think it likely that HC, over time, would improve the appearance of houses it owns on City View and on the west side of College St going up the hill. Potemkinize the neighborhood..
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