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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 29, 2017 11:54:39 GMT -5
Maybe Sarasota, but here some data to suggest otherwise. Ed DeChellis was hired at the beginning of the 2011-2012 season following a really bad period of Navy BB. Navy has improved win totals each year since the hire, yet with that AND videos boards, average attendance has dropped. HC has been fairly stagnant with respect to wins with no video boards and attendance has varied. In HC's case there is a very strong correlation between wins attendance over the last 40 years.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 29, 2017 12:09:59 GMT -5
I believe HC attendance will be back North of 2,000 before very long.....but we need to get it past 2,500....
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 12:29:15 GMT -5
Where did I say WINS are not an important factor in attendance? Videos are another contributing factor.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 29, 2017 13:20:49 GMT -5
Where did I say WINS are not an important factor in attendance? Videos are another contributing factor. The economic question I posed, which was skirted around faster than Superman on skates, asked for an estimate of how much videoboards would increase attendance, eliminating all other variables such as quality of the opponents, etc. If videoboards increased average, paid attendance by 50 per game, that would be a poor ROI. If videoboards increased average, paid attendance by 500, that would be a solid ROI. (500 x 15 x $10 = $75,000 increase in gross revenue). That wasn't so hard, was it?
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 29, 2017 13:25:23 GMT -5
You didn't.
But you cited how the video board is fun and that fun will drive increased attendance. You cited how Navy uses their board as an example.
I added that Navy has increased another important factor - perhaps the most important factor - wins, over the last 6 seasons.
So Navy has a vastly improved team and fun atmosphere in part because of a video board (added, or at least upgraded prior to the 2014-15 season) yet attendance is down about 25% over 6 years.
The facts would suggest your assertion that a video board attracts more fans is not correct.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 15:46:09 GMT -5
PP- ROI? Since when is HC's athletics program based on an ROI analysis. It loses money every year, since forever, doesn't it? Forest through the trees, my friend, forest through the trees.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 29, 2017 16:42:49 GMT -5
PP- ROI? Since when is HC's athletics program based on an ROI analysis. It loses money every year, since forever, doesn't it? Forest through the trees, my friend, forest through the trees. I would very much expect HC to use ROI for the two revenue sports, football and M's basketball. Videoboards are a discretionary purchase, they benefit the fan, not the team. Now one could argue that a packed, screaming Hart center would help the team on the court, but getting to a packed, screaming Hart center will not be realized by videoboards, in and of themselves. The Hart court is small enough that you can sit pretty close to the action. There are no nosebleed seats!
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 22:03:15 GMT -5
You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. All viewers of arena sports, whether in person, or on TV, expect video as an integral part of the experience. Nothing about the Hart shouts "HIGH SCHOOL" MORE THAN THE ABSENCE OF VIDEO. I'm done with this topic. You can drag a horse to water but you can't.....
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 30, 2017 8:01:38 GMT -5
I'm done with this topic. You can drag a horse to water but you can't..... I'll drink to that!
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Post by Tom on May 1, 2017 9:58:34 GMT -5
You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. All viewers of arena sports, whether in person, or on TV, expect video as an integral part of the experience. Nothing about the Hart shouts "HIGH SCHOOL" MORE THAN THE ABSENCE OF VIDEO. I view arena sports in person. I do not find video boards an integral part of the experience. I do enjoy having the points/fouls stats that the current Hart scoreboards provide and I miss that luxury at places that don't have it. During the game, I'm watching the floor. During time outs, video boards seem to be focused on ads or dance cams. I don't consider either to be integral to the experience. Maybe I'm in a minority, but this is want vs need and I don't need a video board
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Post by lou on May 1, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
One simple example...during timeouts at Marist games, they rotate team and individual stats on the screens, interesting and informative. I've also noticed at the Hart Center, during a timeout when you want to see the stats on the scoreboard,they will show ads
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Post by matunuck on May 1, 2017 10:43:50 GMT -5
I'm with you Sarasota and find our "new" court to be underwhelming given basketball is supposedly our premier sport. Also interesting that HC and Navy are in the same ballpark on ave. attendance considering how much more difficult it is to attend Navy games with security etc.
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Post by lou on May 1, 2017 11:29:41 GMT -5
Going to a Navy game is not like Army. I went to Navy twice last season, first time no check at all, 2nd time show license to get on shuttle bus at the football field parking lot, that's it
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Post by matunuck on May 1, 2017 11:42:39 GMT -5
I go all the time. It's more of a hassle than parking at HC for a game. Yes, you can park at the football stadium, board the shuttle, then wait in line to board the shuttle back again. But you can't park near Alumni unless you have a DoD ID. Wonder what HC's attendance would be with shuttles the main way to get to Hart?
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Post by lou on May 1, 2017 11:55:32 GMT -5
I liked the efficiency of the system, and no mounds of snow to contend with
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Post by matunuck on May 1, 2017 11:59:47 GMT -5
True, but then you'd miss eating at Chick & Ruth's --
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 1, 2017 14:49:16 GMT -5
I'll stir up the can of worms. Miami U's. new indoor facility, opened a year ago. University of Michigan indoor practice facility opened in 2009. One cost $14 million, the other cost $26 million. Based on what was said on the recent tour, the steel trusses holding up the roof at Luth alone cost about $26 million. We can have a discourse on the proverbial brick ****house later. _____________________________________ IMO, the center court videoboard, all four sides, is far more preferable than a pair of endcourt videoboards. For the eyeballs attending, its an easy visual transition from the board to the court and back.
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Post by purplehaze on May 1, 2017 16:47:26 GMT -5
that's Miami U, as in 'Oxford, Ohio' - nice for a MAC school.
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Post by sader1970 on May 22, 2017 7:00:07 GMT -5
It appears that this is the site that Holy Cross/Bond will post updated pictures of progress on the LAC. Much of these are kind of what I would have liked to have been able to take while on the tour a few weeks ago but these May pics show marginally more progress than I would have gotten. www.goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=210993205
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 22, 2017 7:24:03 GMT -5
The contractor has landscaped both sides of the new main entrance and if my eyes are not deceiving me, the Cooz's statue is back. _________________________________
With respect to the proverbial brick ****house, I'll speculate that it's because the N FH is rated as a place for public assembly, temporary seating over 6,000. Codes would typically require a stronger building. (That, and weight of the snow in a Worcester winter.)
750 graduates + 4500 (6 tickets each) + plus TPTB/ faculty = no more Hart court for commencement
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2017 7:41:56 GMT -5
Is there any other function besides graduation that this site would need 6000 seats ?
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2017 7:45:01 GMT -5
The contractor has landscaped both sides of the new main entrance and if my eyes are not deceiving me, the Cooz's statue is back. _________________________________ With respect to the proverbial brick ****house, I'll speculate that's it because the N FH is rated as a place for public assembly, temporary seating over 6,000. Codes would typically require a stronger building. (That, and weight of the snow in a Worcester winter.) 750 graduates + 4500 (6 tickets each) + plus TPTB/ faculty = no more Hart court for commencement In which photo do you see the Cooz statue ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 22, 2017 7:47:28 GMT -5
It's great to see the progress being made for this new facility. I apologize if I am asking a question that's been answered before, but is the building's height high enough to allow for punters to practice?
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Post by HC92 on May 22, 2017 9:35:34 GMT -5
It's great to see the progress being made for this new facility. I apologize if I am asking a question that's been answered before, but is the building's height high enough to allow for punters to practice? I believe it is.
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Post by sader1970 on May 22, 2017 9:50:48 GMT -5
One of my observations to others when inside during the tour was that it was NOT high enough for punters, unless they are practicing line drives. Plenty high for practicing FGs though.
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