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Post by hcgrad94 on May 10, 2018 19:51:00 GMT -5
There are strict privacy laws. The two students whose scholarships are represented just began finals today. maybe not so ridiculous. Strict privacy laws? We hear about suspensions all the time in the media. This feels like it has a lot more to do with trying to hide the embarrassment (anyone’s contract up for renewal soon?) than any type of privacy laws. FRPA. Look it up.
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Post by lou on May 10, 2018 20:06:28 GMT -5
FERPA
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 10, 2018 20:16:46 GMT -5
Strict privacy laws? We hear about suspensions all the time in the media. This feels like it has a lot more to do with trying to hide the embarrassment (anyone’s contract up for renewal soon?) than any type of privacy laws. FRPA. Look it up. Google: “college basketball player suspension” There must be a lot of lawsuits against all these schools!
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 10, 2018 20:17:25 GMT -5
Pretty sure the schools aren't pumping out the release it is being dug at by media.
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Post by hchoops on May 10, 2018 20:17:56 GMT -5
So blame the media The school is probably bound to silence by law But you would rather blame Pine-Carmody Why don’t you admit your bias
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 10, 2018 20:30:42 GMT -5
So blame the media The school is probably bound to silence by law But you would rather blame Pine-Carmody Why don’t you admit your bias Nonsense. I just want to win, but you would rather just pretend everything is wonderful. Here are facts: Carmody: 42-56 (.429) Pine’s coaches this year: Men's Basketball: 12-19 (.387) -- 3 players suspended indefinitely, second year in a row with major rule/law violationsMen's Hockey: 13-16-7 (.458) -- Coach has an absolutely horrific postseason record during his tenure at HC Men's Lacrosse: 4-8 (.333) -- 1-7 (.125) under the coach who NP hired, who is now suspended indefinitely Field Hockey: 7-11 (.389)Women's Lacrosse: 5-10 (.333)Women's Soccer: 4-9-4 (.353)Softball: 9-25 (.265)Volleyball: 5-24 (.172)Both should be gone.
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Post by DiMarz on May 10, 2018 20:55:01 GMT -5
So blame the media The school is probably bound to silence by law But you would rather blame Pine-Carmody Why don’t you admit your bias Nonsense. I just want to win, but you would rather just pretend everything is wonderful. Here are facts: Carmody: 42-56 (.429) Pine’s coaches this year: Men's Basketball: 12-19 (.387) -- 3 players suspended indefinitely, second year in a row with major rule/law violationsMen's Hockey: 13-16-7 (.458) -- Coach has an absolutely horrific postseason record during his tenure at HC Men's Lacrosse: 4-8 (.333) -- 1-7 (.125) under the coach who NP hired, who is now suspended indefinitely Field Hockey: 7-11 (.389)Women's Lacrosse: 5-10 (.333)Women's Soccer: 4-9-4 (.353)Softball: 9-25 (.265)Volleyball: 5-24 (.172)Both should be gone. So you have identified what you feel is a big problem....What then should be done to rectify this problem? Fire all the coaches? is that a sensible? or does the problem go deeper, to the student athletes who get recruited and accepted...perhaps the solution to the problem lies in the admissions office, and the college as a whole....Athletics is important to many at HC, but from what I understand from following this board, the academics at HC is much more valued and important to the alums...nothing wrong with that..If HC wants to have a larger pool to recruit from in all sports to bring in better athletes, HC could expand their degree offerings, and/or lower the strong academic values that history has ingrained....
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Post by Tom on May 11, 2018 7:54:33 GMT -5
Finally, Tom can get a good night's sleep. I'm feeling really well rested this morning
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Post by Tom on May 11, 2018 8:00:31 GMT -5
Anyone want to take the over/under on when HC announces something about any of the following: next season's schedule, the incoming freshmen, roster changes besides the new recruits or a new assistant coach. (Anyone else find it odd we saw an announcement about an assistant coach moving on to the SEC). I am going with Labor Day. On an unrelated note, when will the basket be passed to professors and students who led the move to have the sword-wielding Crusader removed from the campus? If Labor Day is the over/under line, I will take "before" I barely got that bet in on time. I am going to double down and say we will also see a roster for next year's team prior to Labor Day. Based on the two LOI's there will be at least two scholarship players not on that roster. I'm guessing there will be no announcements from the school naming players leaving, but an official roster without the names should count under the above guidelines --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with NCAAM that it us unlikely an extra scholarship would be held in reserve. If there was ever a year to do it, it would have been last year with the Cohen scholarship. HC chose to go with six for the class of 21 and zero for the class of 22. I don't see them sitting on one now. The strange thing is that suggests two departures which seems to contradict general assumption that Perkins is definitely done. I know I was expecting either one or three
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Post by ncaam on May 11, 2018 8:19:04 GMT -5
Nonsense. I just want to win, but you would rather just pretend everything is wonderful. Here are facts: Carmody: 42-56 (.429) Pine’s coaches this year: Men's Basketball: 12-19 (.387) -- 3 players suspended indefinitely, second year in a row with major rule/law violationsMen's Hockey: 13-16-7 (.458) -- Coach has an absolutely horrific postseason record during his tenure at HC Men's Lacrosse: 4-8 (.333) -- 1-7 (.125) under the coach who NP hired, who is now suspended indefinitely Field Hockey: 7-11 (.389)Women's Lacrosse: 5-10 (.333)Women's Soccer: 4-9-4 (.353)Softball: 9-25 (.265)Volleyball: 5-24 (.172)Both should be gone. So you have identified what you feel is a big problem....What then should be done to rectify this problem? Fire all the coaches? is that a sensible? or does the problem go deeper, to the student athletes who get recruited and accepted...perhaps the solution to the problem lies in the admissions office, and the college as a whole....Athletics is important to many at HC, but from what I understand from following this board, the academics at HC is much more valued and important to the alums...nothing wrong with that..If HC wants to have a larger pool to recruit from in all sports to bring in better athletes, HC could expand their degree offerings, and/or lower the strong academic values that history has ingrained.... DiMarz the problems with basketball lie with the recruiting and management of the program. The issues lie squarely on the shoulders of CBC and adnp. The school likely won’t ever publish what the micreants did. Tptb certainly will know and should hold CBC and adnp accountable. One more chance may be all they get. Let’s remember as we have been schooled by PP that wins and losses are far down the list when evaluating the coaches and AD. It’s citizenship and and graduation that’s most important at HC.
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Post by ncaam on May 11, 2018 9:34:12 GMT -5
I believe it will be four players to include Yeutter and Lovisolo
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Post by rgs318 on May 11, 2018 9:54:49 GMT -5
One point, not so small, is that I was not aware of any stated law violations. Has this been confirmed by someone or is this just a statement to try to make things look worse?
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 11, 2018 10:22:22 GMT -5
One point, not so small, is that I was not aware of any stated law violations. Has this been confirmed by someone or is this just a statement to try to make things look worse? We don't know anything, one way or the other. Nothing. At some point, that will become a real problem, if it isn't already. I doubt that Holy Cross will be forthcoming about the results of the NCAA investigation. I'm hoping there will be an official report from the NCAA detailing what happened, who was involved, and the consequences for those individuals and the program - and that such a report will be available to the public. Maybe 137 or somebody else familiar with how the process works can tell us whether that is a realistic expectation.
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Post by ncaam on May 11, 2018 10:28:05 GMT -5
I doubt HC wants it to be published. And I only know the broadest of parameters. I wonder if the subjects will sue or appeal. That could push the scholarships back a bit.
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 11, 2018 10:52:30 GMT -5
Fwiw.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 11, 2018 11:08:14 GMT -5
Fwiw. This follows with my understanding — I don’t think the NCAA really gets involved with its own full investigation until after the school has conducted its own investigation and provides the findings. I could see HC dragging their feet for as long as possible before submitting their report.
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Post by Ray on May 11, 2018 11:15:18 GMT -5
There are strict privacy laws. The two students whose scholarships are represented just began finals today. maybe not so ridiculous. Strict privacy laws? We hear about suspensions all the time in the media. This feels like it has a lot more to do with trying to hide the embarrassment (anyone’s contract up for renewal soon?) than any type of privacy laws.
Stop the nonsense. Point me to an example where another school has been as publicly transparent as you're advocating for here.
The way this is being handled is entirely typical.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 11, 2018 11:34:52 GMT -5
Strict privacy laws? We hear about suspensions all the time in the media. This feels like it has a lot more to do with trying to hide the embarrassment (anyone’s contract up for renewal soon?) than any type of privacy laws.
Stop the nonsense. Point me to an example where another school has been as publicly transparent as you're advocating for here.
The way this is being handled is entirely typical.
It’s nonsense to expect to know who is on the basketball team next year? When the media isn’t muzzled, this information get to the public and fan base all of the time. It doesn’t even look like there was a blurb in the Telegram this morning to report on the press release of the signings. All it takes is “Verbeek and Harris replace X and Y who are no longer with the program.”
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Post by Ray on May 11, 2018 12:04:05 GMT -5
Now Jen Toland is a part of the conspiracy. Got it.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 11, 2018 12:15:33 GMT -5
Now Jen Toland is a part of the conspiracy. Got it. Dick Lutsk was muzzled, and not allowed to mention anything about why Charles was no longer playing / with the team.
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Post by possum on May 11, 2018 12:21:30 GMT -5
Ray, Jen Toland isn't part of a conspiracy it's just so sad that there is so little interest in the program that the T&G doesn't feel the story is worth investigating. How long would it take for the ProJo to find out and publish what happened if this incident had happened at PC or URI. There was a time the local paper cared but unfortunately that time has long since come and gone.
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Post by Tom on May 11, 2018 14:26:39 GMT -5
Replying to a whole bunch of things. . .
- While I don't expect the school to come out and announce the story behind the suspensions, I do expect the story from a half way decent paper. I'm not sure if the lack of story comes from disinterest on the part of the local community, "journalists" who don't want to create waves, or just the total deterioration of the paper itself. I think the third might be the largest factor. Especially since there was nothing about the Sox-Yankees game last night. 40 years ago, the Telegram would have a full story from a central time zone game with box score - and that was when they were hand setting the type for presses. With computers they can't even wait for an east coast game - albeit a long one. No matter what the reason, I think the Telegram totally dropped the ball here. Inquiring minds want to know and the fourth estate isn't interested in telling the story.
- Dick Lutsk is effectively an employee of the school. He is not an independent journalist
- I don't believe the media was muzzled. I believe they were not spoon fed a story to regurgitate and weren't interested enough to work for it
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 11, 2018 14:47:27 GMT -5
Where would the Telegram get the information to write the story if TPTB at Holy Cross chose not to divulge any information about the suspensions? Would the players themselves be likely to sing? Would the NCAA come across with details?
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Post by lou on May 11, 2018 14:50:43 GMT -5
Where would the Telegram get the information to write the story if TPTB at Holy Cross chose not to divulge any information about the suspensions? Would the players themselves be likely to sing? Would the NCAA come across with details? Good questions. Unless using very reliable sources, I doubt any journalist would be able to corroborate stories unless HC wanted the information revealed
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Post by ncaam on May 11, 2018 15:12:07 GMT -5
The story was all over campus. That would have been a great place to start.
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