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Post by timholycross on Jul 27, 2016 11:48:53 GMT -5
When those seats are, as they usually are, empty, all that shiny aluminum casts a great deal more glare and heat. Probably better for all concerned that the tarp is there for the early season games.
We can call it Mount Brooks as they call the upper deck in Oakland Mount Davis..and Mount Davis has a similar tarp (actually two, one for the As and one for the Raidahs).
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Post by sarasota on Jul 27, 2016 11:54:48 GMT -5
The tarps cover the seats that were preferred by those who wanted to load up on rays.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 27, 2016 12:39:43 GMT -5
The tarps cover the seats that were preferred by those who wanted to load up on rays. That'sa service to the community, helping to reduce skin cancer
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 3, 2016 17:18:31 GMT -5
Are the two black poles for a net, or something else?
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 3, 2016 17:34:49 GMT -5
I'd guess the poles are for a net to catch kicked footballs, but the real question is ... ... what's with the Pidgey?? Are you a closet Pokemon Go player, phreek?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 3, 2016 18:06:47 GMT -5
chc8485, nope.
The photo is from Iggy, courtesy of Nate Pine. Perhaps a future promotion to increase attendance? Half of millennial Worcester might descend on Fitton in search.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 3, 2016 20:12:20 GMT -5
Lord, spare us! I just now got an e-mail from a niece in Peru that her brother captured 6 pokemans (if I have the terminology correct) today. I don't even know if that is good or bad.
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Post by rickii on Aug 11, 2016 10:01:05 GMT -5
STADIUM COMPLEX PRIORITIES ( IMO )
1) Dismantle existing home press box - Replace with deeper, 2-story press box to adequately serve working press, radio/television broadcasts, visiting and home coaching staffs, stadium operations/communications desk and PA function. Venue to include restrooms, light refreshment area, a/c-heat, 2 stairwells and 1 elevator.
2) H/A Lockerrooms ( multi-purpose ) - 2-story structure erected in existing vacant area adjacent to RF foul line of baseball field. Provide adequate/spacious locker areas primarily serving home/visitor football team personnel/coaches/officials plus off-season use by H/A baseball teams. Roof to be used as 'party deck' for both sports with access via elevated ramp from adjacent service road.
3) Complex Perimeter - Dismantle all existing 10-12' fencing around stadium and replace with fabricated iron-like permanent fencing with staggered brick pillars akin to such bordering campus.
We all have additional suggestions on our wish lists but IMO, the above are priorities to be addressed first.
Perhaps phreak can do some cost estimates for us....I'm guessing the fencing/brickwork could be more expensive than we think. Putting the over-under budget for the above $2,200,000.
Comments ?
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2016 10:58:30 GMT -5
cavernous is part of its allure. please take the sheet off. Empty seats have no allure. IMO they speak of a program long past its prime and still in decline. Keep the tarp until the seats can be filled (or boxes installed?). Since that tarp has been there for a year, it is surprising that some did not notice it all last season. The Centrum does the same thing. They tarp off most of the upper sections to make the place appear fuller.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 11, 2016 14:36:07 GMT -5
Renovations cost:
1.) I'd guess $7-10 million. I do not know if compliance with ADA would require an elevator and a ramp.
2.) Don't understand the reason for two floors. But anyway, assuming 5,000 sq ft total, and with extended stretch of new sewer and water pipe, maybe $2-2.5 million.
3.) A new ornamental fence, relatively inexpensive if made of hollow-core anodized aluminium, black color. However, not durable. I'm not sure it would support a 250 pound person stepping on it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 12, 2016 4:54:05 GMT -5
Renovations cost: 1.) I'd guess $7-10 million. I do not know if compliance with ADA would require an elevator and a ramp. 2.) Don't understand the reason for two floors. But anyway, assuming 5,000 sq ft total, and with extended stretch of new sewer and water pipe, maybe $2-2.5 million. 3.) A new ornamental fence, relatively inexpensive if made of hollow-core anodized aluminium, black color. However, not durable. I'm not sure it would support a 250 pound person stepping on it. For 1, I used the pricing for UMass. They spent $35 million for a 55,000 sq ft training facility, and a new pressbox/skybox. The training facility should not have cost more than $350-375 a sq ft, (or around $20 million) which would leave the pressbox/skybox cost at around $15 million. IIRC, the new pressbox/skybox does not touch the stadium, to avoid ADA.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 12, 2016 10:29:27 GMT -5
hey, we use the pressbox and lockerrooms 4 or 5 times a year. certainly the conditions are deplorable. given the exhorbitant costs these days for new construction, i think this is a case where you should 'put some lipstick on this pig' and make some cosmetic changes very soon.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 12, 2016 12:28:34 GMT -5
purplehaze- Yes, but those times are very important times in the big picture of HC Athletics.
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Post by rickii on Aug 16, 2016 10:05:22 GMT -5
Renovations cost: 1.) I'd guess $7-10 million. I do not know if compliance with ADA would require an elevator and a ramp. 2.) Don't understand the reason for two floors. But anyway, assuming 5,000 sq ft total, and with extended stretch of new sewer and water pipe, maybe $2-2.5 million. 3.) A new ornamental fence, relatively inexpensive if made of hollow-core anodized aluminium, black color. However, not durable. I'm not sure it would support a 250 pound person stepping on it. For 1, I used the pricing for UMass. They spent $35 million for a 55,000 sq ft training facility, and a new pressbox/skybox. The training facility should not have cost more than $350-375 a sq ft, (or around $20 million) which would leave the pressbox/skybox cost at around $15 million. IIRC, the new pressbox/skybox does not touch the stadium, to avoid ADA. Prior to the 2014 season, the UMass Football Performance Center was officially opened providing the Minutemen one of the top facilities in all of New England. The 55,000 square foot, $34.5 million facility includes coaches offices, a state-of-the-art locker room, meeting rooms, and athletic training room with three hydro-therapy pools, and a dedicated strength & conditioning space with completely customized equipment just for the Minutemen. It was officially dedicated on Sept. 26, 2014 prior to UMass' homecoming game against Bowling Green.
I can't find any sq. footage or separate cost for the new press box. Regardless, it's deeper and has suites and added perks I don't envision for our new facility....particularly since we have a 2nd box on the visitor side for suites/VIP use. We can build up ( 2-story ) or wide ( single story )....doesn't matter to me....but an elevator is mandatory with or without ADA. Dunno what you mean by a 'ramp' here.
As to 5,000 sq. feet, what's the current area of the box ? Whatever that is - double it.
As to new iron/composite fencing, doubt the current ancient chain-link fencing is any stronger or more durable ( quite wavey in several areas ) than a modern black composite type with staged brick pillars matching the campus perimeter.
Would like to uncover the details on Lafayette's new press box....maybe a better comparison.
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Post by rickii on Aug 16, 2016 10:14:33 GMT -5
hey, we use the pressbox and lockerrooms 4 or 5 times a year. certainly the conditions are deplorable. given the exhorbitant costs these days for new construction, i think this is a case where you should 'put some lipstick on this pig' and make some cosmetic changes very soon. Fitton has now been woefully sub-par and an embarrassment for at least 20 years. It reflects poorly on the school and it's long past time for it to be modernized. Pine certainly appears to concur and hopefully can initially muster $2-3 million to address a few items beyond the lipstick approach.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 16, 2016 15:42:25 GMT -5
rickii, The renovation of Fisher, completed about 10 years ago, cost $33 million. I'd guess about $25 million of that was for that stadium: new seats, pressbox, field turf, lights. ___________________
The only way to do the pressbox that you envision is to separate it from Fitton itself. One can't rely only on the elevator for getting to/from the press box. As there is a significant slope leading down to Fitton, it might be more economical to build a ramp, rather than stairs.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 16, 2016 23:01:57 GMT -5
ramp.....worthwhile idea to analyze
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Post by HC1843 on Aug 16, 2016 23:11:20 GMT -5
Surprised you received a response based on the original tenor of the note. Nicely done by ADNP. One should not be surprised he responded professionally despite Mike writing like a petulant, colorful, and assertive child. Nate is a professional and realizes what is at stake and that any response could become message board fodder. Cheers.
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Post by HC1843 on Aug 16, 2016 23:16:40 GMT -5
Death by Over-Regulation. Local people and institutions should be able to do what they want to do and what they can afford to do without forcing tax payers to bank roll every do-good statute/regulation that Congress/Federal Agencies succumb to the pressure of advocacy groups. I'll never forget the day Congress passed the ADA with folks in wheelchairs jamming the aisles. If you move Fitton to Venus as your email to ADNP suggests, this over regulation will no longer be an issue. Cheers.
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Post by HC1843 on Aug 16, 2016 23:17:39 GMT -5
I have sent the following message to Nate Pine: "Fitton Football Stadium is the most under appreciated, under utilized athletic facility on campus. It is the only athletic facility HC has that is potentially head and shoulders above our competitors. Yet, the locker rooms, rest rooms, press boxes and concession venus are disgraceful and embarrassing. Also, natural sod needs to be replaced by artificial surface because it is less costly to maintain and shows up much better on television. If our football coach disagrees, he should be overridden. Lastly, the lack of permanent lighting is inexcusable. There are multiple lighted fields on campus. But for some reason, Fitton is not good enough. The few night football games games in recent seasons using rented lights were highly successful. Permanent lighting would open up additional possibilities for non-football events. Also, it would make possible later start times on Saturday, which is more family-friendly. In the big picture, the cost is peanuts. Morgan State, UNH, Albany and many other schools have lights. There has been lots of speculation as to why there are no lights at Fitton, but I don't believe we have ever been given a definitive explanation from a person in authority. Do we have to wait for somebody to sell his wine collection before we can do it?"
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Post by sarasota on Aug 16, 2016 23:31:12 GMT -5
hc1843- Why are you resurrecting this now?
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Post by HC1843 on Aug 17, 2016 9:33:30 GMT -5
hc1843- Why are you resurrecting this now? It showed up as new on my phone...not sure why that is. Anyway, the thread gave me a laugh, so I responded. I can move along on this one, but I am just dumbfounded at times with how you personally attack folks with no basis other than they disagree with you...it is both amazing and aggravating at the same time.....words often fail, but not always. ;-) Cheers.
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Post by rickii on Aug 17, 2016 10:39:28 GMT -5
rickii, The renovation of Fisher, completed about 10 years ago, cost $33 million. I'd guess about $25 million of that was for that stadium: new seats, pressbox, field turf, lights. ___________________ The only way to do the pressbox that you envision is to separate it from Fitton itself. One can't rely only on the elevator for getting to/from the press box. As there is a significant slope leading down to Fitton, it might be more economical to build a ramp, rather than stairs. AIR, the large football building in the endzone and adjacent impressive video scoreboard were additional major components of that renovation. The new/renovated press box does reportedly contain a suite and sits atop what was/is a concrete platform that also serves as a concourse deck for fans entering/exiting the home grandstand. Thus entry/exit to/from the press box apparently did not require any stairs or elevators for ADA issues. Now, is that box deemed 'attached' or 'unattached' to the grandstand ?
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I'm admittedly uninformed on the vagaries of ADA guidelines / interpretations as per this subject. My common sense tells me replacing our antiquated press box with a slightly larger ( deeper ) 'attached' facility equipped with basic modern amenities PLUS emergency exits out to the seating ailes, 1 or 2 ( if needed ) new enclosed staircases and an elevator would not trigger some sort of ADA violation. And given the top of our home grandstand from ground level - at least 2-3 stories up - a lapping elongated ramp structure back there would seem to me to be illogical and unneccessary. IMO the slope is not a concern as the long existing paved emergency access road lays relatively flat back there. Also, the parking garage altered that slope significantly when constructed.
The apparent 'nut' on all this is 'attached' or 'unattached' despite a prospective facility by itself being totally 'all access' and fully compliant.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 17, 2016 12:42:23 GMT -5
rickii, as HCgrad94 has narrated, more on the old board than here, if one starts spending significant sums on the Fitton stands, or on an integral part of the stands (press box), then ADA comes into play, and you are potentially into tens of millions of dollars for stadium renovation / replacement at Fitton..
Which leaves improvements that would not invoke ADA: a new field, lights, new locker rooms. scoreboard, anything not related to spectator accommodation. The dictum would seem to be: 'Don't touch the stands'.
This is why UMass built their pressbox as a stand-alone item, not directly attached to McGurk.
As for Lafayette, the ADA probably didn't require an elevator to the pressbox. But you were the one who specified the elevator for the south side pressbox at Fitton. At the Hart rink, the ADA is being met by creating stations for wheelchair spectators at the northeast corner of the rink. At the Hart court, the wheelchair stations will be at the mezzanine level, and there will be two new elevators, one by the Ryan room, and the other near the basketball coaches suite.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 17, 2016 12:43:31 GMT -5
hc1843- Who are the "folks" I am supposedly attacking? Or do you consider a disagreement an attack?
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