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Post by hc811215 on Mar 27, 2018 10:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2018 10:40:19 GMT -5
Here is the text that accompanied the E-mail I got.
Disclaimer - I haven't watched the video yet so this might be redundant. I did find it interesting the emphasis on being Crusaders
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2018 11:40:19 GMT -5
In a video lasting one minute and forty seconds, roughly four seconds were dedicated to sports. Tells us everything we need to know.
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Post by spenser on Mar 27, 2018 11:47:23 GMT -5
The video is excellent and sums up why I will be donating on April 6.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 27, 2018 11:55:32 GMT -5
That is an extremely impressive video
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 27, 2018 11:59:09 GMT -5
In a video lasting one minute and forty seconds, roughly four seconds were dedicated to sports. Tells us everything we need to know. With the football, basketball, and short baseball selection I got about 9 seconds of sports time. |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 27, 2018 12:22:30 GMT -5
Well, CROSSPORTS not withstanding, Holy Cross is about a lot more than just sports. However, sports have come to represent a good part of the connections that many alumni have with HC and a reminder of some good times on the hill. It will be interesting to see how April 6th goes.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 27, 2018 12:27:27 GMT -5
That is an extremely impressive video Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2018 12:38:39 GMT -5
That is an extremely impressive video Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. As my dad used to say, Empty barrels make the most noise. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2018 12:57:28 GMT -5
How come the Cross has been completely removed from our branding?
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 13:04:22 GMT -5
Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. As my dad used to say, Empty barrels make the most noise. Did he say it to you often? |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 27, 2018 13:37:19 GMT -5
Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. As my dad used to say, Empty barrels make the most noise. Not sure that's applicable here, unless you just think that the opinions of alumni who disagree with this embarrassing pandering just don't matter? |
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 27, 2018 13:38:38 GMT -5
That is an extremely impressive video Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. As of 2:35 PM
36 comments from about 15 - 16 different users.
541 Likes.
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Post by hc811215 on Mar 27, 2018 14:08:42 GMT -5
How come the Cross has been completely removed from our branding? ?? It is in the name! The school is still called the College of the Holy Cross and we are Holy Cross Crusaders! Also, quite a few crosses in the video among many other catholic symbols. |
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 14:10:19 GMT -5
Get rid of the cross... too othering
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2018 14:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 27, 2018 14:16:23 GMT -5
SoV, Is that a sunburst...or a snowflake? I guess it can be in the eye of the beholder.   |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2018 14:24:52 GMT -5
SoV, Is that a sunburst...or a snowflake? I guess it can be in the eye of the beholder. Who knows. I found this on the HC site -- "The new shield incorporates a strong graphic element alluding to the "sunburst" that is found in the seal of the Society of Jesus." Basically, we have moved from an image that connotes the Son of God, to one that is just the sun. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 27, 2018 14:25:14 GMT -5
There are posters on this board who seem to have little understanding of the Society of Jesus.
As a Jesuit institution, HC is not autonomous, or even semi-autonomous at least when it comes to its Jesuit identity.
The Jesuits are a rather rigid, hierarchical organization. (Without invoking Godwin's law, the hierarchical organization of the Jesuits was so well thought of that it served as a model for an organization last century.) In some ways, the organization of the Jesuits resembles a military command structure.
However, what distinguishes the Society of Jesus as a hierarchical organization from other organizations is that the policies, objectives, and direction of the Society are set by the General Congregation of Jesuits, which has met 36 times over four centuries.
Once the General Congregation has set a policy, then the Superior General, the provincials, the heads of individual institutions work to introduce and carry out the policy. This is not cafeteria Catholicism, in that a provincial or a head of an institution can choose to ignore or even refuse to carry out a policy or directive of the General Congregation..
From the Constitution of the Jesuits, promulgated in 1540
All Jesuit colleges and universities are bound by the social justice decree of 1975, that originated in the General Convocation of that year. That is not up for debate. Those who disagree with a policy or directive should take the matter up, not with Holy Cross, but with the Superior General. Perhaps the Superior General may be sufficiently persuaded by the cogency of your arguments to bring the matter -- of the social justice mandate, for example -- before the next general congregation for consideration and another vote.
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Post by td128 on Mar 27, 2018 14:25:40 GMT -5
This whole topic reminds me of the many many times I have sat in my regular pew at church and pondered on the wisdom provided by men of the cloth. (More than a few times upon exiting the church, I have informed the priest that I did not agree with the position he was putting forth.) Yet whether I agree or disagree with the words within those homilies, I ultimately try to shift my line of vision and express my gratitude to the man on the cross and the sacrifice he made for me.
Everything else seems to fall into line from there.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 27, 2018 14:41:58 GMT -5
 The eglise Sainte-Croix (church of the Holy Cross)in the commune of La Croix Valmer, France La Croix Valmer is where supposedly the emperor saw this.  |
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 27, 2018 15:53:21 GMT -5
No problem with the video or the message.
Yet, could not the same video be produced without eliminating "knight imagery?"
Of course.
As I have said the College, promoter and defender of truth, had an opportunity to promote more historical accuracy. Instead, it turned tail. Of course being a Crusader as all those who are seen in the film is great. Could have been done and left the mascot alone.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 27, 2018 15:56:10 GMT -5
SoV, Is that a sunburst...or a snowflake? I guess it can be in the eye of the beholder. Who knows. I found this on the HC site -- "The new shield incorporates a strong graphic element alluding to the "sunburst" that is found in the seal of the Society of Jesus." Basically, we have moved from an image that connotes the Son of God, to one that is just the sun. Wasn't this discussed ad nauseum previously? If you look around the bookstore, on lecterns in Hogan, the sign of the school on Linden Lane, the older seal is being used all over the place and will continue to be used. As an informed alum, who is engaged with the College on a constant basis, not just when I am made upset by something it does, I have been aware of this for some time and I am sure others were as well. For the record, I am opposed to the shedding of the mascot and could give in my opinion a spirited defense of the mascot without resorting to name calling and criticizing social justice. |
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 16:05:29 GMT -5
There are posters on this board who seem to have little understanding of the Society of Jesus. As a Jesuit institution, HC is not autonomous, or even semi-autonomous at least when it comes to its Jesuit identity. The Jesuits are a rather rigid, hierarchical organization. (Without invoking Godwin's law, the hierarchical organization of the Jesuits was so well thought of that it served as a model for an organization last century.) In some ways, the organization of the Jesuits resembles a military command structure. However, what distinguishes the Society of Jesus as a hierarchical organization from other organizations is that the policies, objectives, and direction of the Society are set by the General Congregation of Jesuits, which has met 36 times over four centuries. Once the General Congregation has set a policy, then the Superior General, the provincials, the heads of individual institutions work to introduce and carry out the policy. This is not cafeteria Catholicism, in that a provincial or a head of an institution can choose to ignore or even refuse to carry out a policy or directive of the General Congregation.. From the Constitution of the Jesuits, promulgated in 1540 All Jesuit colleges and universities are bound by the social justice decree of 1975, that originated in the General Convocation of that year. That is not up for debate. Those who disagree with a policy or directive should take the matter up, not with Holy Cross, but with the Superior General. Perhaps the Superior General may be sufficiently persuaded by the cogency of your arguments to bring the matter -- of the social justice mandate, for example -- before the next general congregation for consideration and another vote. . Thirty-six get-togethers over four centuries. Pretty light hand on the wheel, no? An issue such as a knight in shining armor is way below what the GCoJ should be and are interested in. They leave those decisions up to the Fr Boroughs of this world. It was his decision and he made a bad one. IMHO/FWIW Now if Fr Boroughs had taken down the Crosses and made plans to evacuate the Jesuits on campus because both were considered "othering" by a hundred or so students, now that might get the GCoJ interested. This social justice decree of 1975, was Fr Brooks under this same rule when he ran Professor Dershowitz off on this issue? |
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 16:29:16 GMT -5
Were there any Muslim students highlighted? Who was the distinguished looking black gentleman at the 1:07 mark?
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