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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 27, 2018 16:40:17 GMT -5
Very well done video, but does not mask the embarrassing process surrounding the mascot/nickname. It strikes me as a "nothing to see here" production from an administration that is tone deaf to the reaction surrounding what they just did. Comments on an Instagram post that the official HC account just made for this video are overwhelmingly negative. As of 2:35 PM
36 comments from about 15 - 16 different users.
541 Likes.
Is the "Likes" stat supposed to mean something? There are now 691. A picture of a sunset yesterday had 1,384. A picture of a sunrise 3 days ago had 1,134. A picture of a snow covered Fenwick (aka Snowflake HQ) 5 days ago had 1,375. While Instagram "Likes" on this photo aren't even symbolic of support for this "We Are Crusaders" campaign (many people will "Like" virtually everything they see), if the downside (as in those who actually "dislike" this pandering nonsense and chose to not "like" this post) is even close to what these numbers might suggest, the school will be in trouble in late June when they are hammering away at alumni trying to get to 50% participation.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 16:48:24 GMT -5
I like the video too. Fantastic production! It could only be enhanced by having a human being in a knight costume with a purple mantle and white cross on his chest.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 27, 2018 17:09:30 GMT -5
There are posters on this board who seem to have little understanding of the Society of Jesus. As a Jesuit institution, HC is not autonomous, or even semi-autonomous at least when it comes to its Jesuit identity. ...... Thirty-six get-togethers over four centuries. Pretty light hand on the wheel, no? An issue such as a knight in shining armor is way below what the GCoJ should be and are interested in. They leave those decisions up to the Fr Boroughs of this world. It was his decision and he made a bad one. IMHO/FWIW Now if Fr Boroughs had taken down the Crosses and made plans to evacuate the Jesuits on campus because both were considered "othering" by a hundred or so students, now that might get the CJoJ interested. This social justice decree of 1975, was Fr Brooks under this same rule when he ran Professor Dershowitz off on this issue? The Social Justice decree of 1975 was not specific to the Dershowitz-Brooks conversation. Subsequent to the 1975 General Congregation was the General Congregation of 1995, where Decree #5 dealt with Interreligious dialogue. Fr Brooks was no longer President of HC at the time of the 34th General Congregation Excerpts [Emphasis mine] www.sjweb.info/documents/sjs/docs/Dr%205_ENG.pdfThe editors of the Spire played the massacre of the Jews during the First Crusade card The college avoided any reference to the behavior of any crusaders on any of the crusades.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 17:48:10 GMT -5
Has Prof Dershowitz weighed in? If he weighed in and said, Nice try, but the Crusader because of its history at HC, must go too. What should we do? You also never answered about the Yeshiva Maccabees.
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Post by spenser on Mar 27, 2018 17:56:47 GMT -5
No problem with the video or the message. Yet, could not the same video be produced without eliminating "knight imagery?" Of course. As I have said the College, promoter and defender of truth, had an opportunity to promote more historical accuracy. Instead, it turned tail. Of course being a Crusader as all those who are seen in the film is great. Could have been done and left the mascot alone. Nice try. What you are sayin in the last three paragraphs is keep the status quo. That wasn’t happening. Deep down we all know that. Although I honestly felt that both the word Crusader and the Knight were both gone.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 19:20:38 GMT -5
Spenser, How about the Cross?
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Post by hc87 on Mar 27, 2018 19:40:45 GMT -5
The video is taking a beating for the most part on facebook...posts being deleted etc....not looking good....this was a terrible "decision" by the school I fear.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 27, 2018 19:59:22 GMT -5
Were there any Muslim students highlighted? Who was the distinguished looking black gentleman at the 1:07 mark? Please explain your questions. I do not understand your attempted linkage between question 1 and question 2.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 20:04:44 GMT -5
No linkage. Just a couple ? that came to mind.For some reason I think I should know the gentleman. The Muslim question is one Crusaders for justice should tackle. What % of the US population is Muslim? What should we do to recruit that same % to College of the Holy?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 27, 2018 20:56:08 GMT -5
The video is taking a beating for the most part on facebook...posts being deleted etc....not looking good....this was a terrible "decision" by the school I fear. The school seems to have been completely unprepared for the blowback on that Facebook post. Tone deaf throughout the entire process and beyond.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 20:57:44 GMT -5
What post?
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Post by hc87 on Mar 27, 2018 21:53:42 GMT -5
The school has been tone deaf and out of touch since about 1980.....just a clueless series of administrators who have rendered the school either invisible or a joke.....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2018 21:57:35 GMT -5
The video is taking a beating for the most part on facebook...posts being deleted etc....not looking good....this was a terrible "decision" by the school I fear. The school seems to have been completely unprepared for the blowback on that Facebook post. Tone deaf throughout the entire process and beyond. The thought that posting robotic, canned responses in the comments of the video would go over well is something to see.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 28, 2018 7:36:58 GMT -5
Has Prof Dershowitz weighed in? If he weighed in and said, Nice try, but the Crusader because of its history at HC, must go too. What should we do? You also never answered about the Yeshiva Maccabees. Holy Cross is named for the Church (later Cathedral) of the Holy Cross in Boston. The naming of the Church of the Holy Cross in Boston is not associated with the Crusades. The church was built by Jean-Louis de Cheverus, Charles Bulfinch, and subscribers led by John Adams. The Boston church probably was named after a church in Paris, Sainte-Croix de la Cite. This church held and displayed a reliquary of the True Cross, found supposedly by the mother of the Emperor Constantine. The relic was brought to Paris in 542 from Spain by Childebert* I, King of the Franks. The relic was venerated in the church of St. Germain des Pres, but when the Normans, under Rollo*, besieged and sacked Paris at the end of the 9th Century, the relic was moved to Ile de le Cite for safekeeping. In the early 12th Century, Sainte-Croix de la Cite was built specifically to house the reliquary as an object of veneration. In 1790, during the French Revolution, the Jacobins closed Sainte Croix. Cheverus was studying at the Saint Magloire seminary just down the street from Sainte-Croix. The Jacobins also seized and closed the seminary, Cheverus was hastily ordained with a special dispensation. His was the last public ordination in Paris. Soon thereafter, Cheverus was deported to England. On his way to England, Cheverus likely witnessed the massacre of several hundred priests in Paris by the sans culottes. After learning English, Cheverus was asked to come to Boston, arriving in 1796. He began building the Church of the Holy Cross in 1800, it was the first Catholic church in Boston. Sainte-Croix de la Cite was demolished in 1796; its unclear what happened to the reliquary; it was either destroyed by the Jacobins (who hated the symbolism of relics), was hidden and subsequently lost, or is now at Notre Dame (The Paris Notre Dame). If the Jacobins tear town churches in Paris, 'we' will build them in Boston. * Both Childebert and Rollo are 'family'. Rollo was the grandfather of Richard the Fearless, the first Duke of Normandy,who was the great grandfather of William the Conqueror, 'my' second cousin. "My' mother was the granddaughter of Richard the Fearless. ____________________ As for Desrhowitz and the matter of the First Crusade and the Jews, www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4785-crusades-thewww.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2617029/jewish/The-Bloody-Crusades.htm^^^ The Kushners are great supporters of Chabad Lubavitch www.jewishhistory.org/the-first-crusade/^^^ An even more polemical view, which drags in the 'bribery' of the crusaders by the church. And then after you start re-litigating the Crusades and the treatment of infidels (including Jews), you may soon find yourself falling down the rabbit hole. ^^^ Don't watch this screed by Christopher Hitchens if easily offended.
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Post by cmo on Mar 28, 2018 8:12:10 GMT -5
If this video had been put out after we decided to keep the Crusader nickname, it would have elicited a more positive reaction. After dropping the mascot, it seems to be an effort to appease those who are angered by the decision to keep the nickname and drop the mascot and knight imagery.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 28, 2018 8:12:33 GMT -5
The school seems to have been completely unprepared for the blowback on that Facebook post. Tone deaf throughout the entire process and beyond. The thought that posting robotic, canned responses in the comments of the video would go over well is something to see. I agree with you there. Regurgitating that response over and over is hardly showing a depth of the gravity of the decision and its effect on alumni.
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Post by 78purple on Mar 30, 2018 23:17:16 GMT -5
The video is fine, but its a day late and a buck short.....When one looks at other institutions with potentially offensive mascots ( Notre Dame, USC, Michigan State, and Florida State.....I'm sure there are others ), the unmistakeable conclusion is that their administration respects the position of its alumni much more than our administration respects us. Otherwise, the Fighting Irish, Trojans, Spartans and Seminoles would have been renamed by now.. For the life of me ( which is intimated in the video ) I don't see why a REASONABLE compromise with these people would be retaining the mascot with the shield without the sword ( an acknowledgement of the fact that our patron saint, St. Ignatius, laid down his sword when he found his true calling )...Why isn't that reasonable The current administration simply doesn't care what we think.....The only answer to making ourselves heard may be, unfortunately, altering our donating traditions....Sad...
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