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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 29, 2018 14:07:57 GMT -5
So you're blaming Fox News and Breitbart for reporting a story instead of the professor who actually wrote the words and the College who employed (and gave tenure to) said professor? That's silly. And the fact that it's Holy Week is totally irrelevant. The Fenwick Review article was just published on March 25th, so were these media outlets supposed to just sit on their hands until after Easter before they would be allowed to publish anything? It might not be relevant to you, but it is to me. Perhaps I am more "conservative" about these things than you are, but the fact that Breitbart News used a stock photo of a drag queen as a representative of Jesus Christ, is disgraceful in my mind. The fact that they chose to do it during Holy Week makes it worse (again, maybe not to you, but it is to me).
Somebody who works at the Center for Ethics and Culture at Notre Dame should know better.
I don't know what's difficult to understand about the fact that the Fenwick Review article was posted on March 25th. That is the source for both Breitbart and Fox News. They didn't dig this story out from under a rock that was buried 20 years ago. Your worries are misplaced if you're more concerned with the picture Breitbart attached to the story that the fact that HC is employing someone who is sharing these "beliefs."
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Post by hc89 on Mar 29, 2018 14:30:20 GMT -5
I don't know what's difficult to understand about the fact that the Fenwick Review article was posted on March 25th. That is the source for both Breitbart and Fox News. They didn't dig this story out from under a rock that was buried 20 years ago. Your worries are misplaced if you're more concerned with the picture Breitbart attached to the story that the fact that HC is employing someone who is sharing these "beliefs." We are missing each other here, I think.
Yes. Posted on March 25, for sure. I have understood that from the beginning. That part was not difficult for me to understand.
I found Breitbart's use of a photo of the Austrian drag queen to depict Jesus Christ, if that is what it was doing, to be in very poor taste and disgraceful. If you did not find its use to be disgraceful and in poor taste, I respect that opinion.
If it was using the photo as a representative photo of Prof L then it was misleading. I think at least one poster here was actually misled to believe it was a photo of Prof L. I suspect others reading the story might have thought that as well.
Their use of this awful photo is neither more concerning, nor less concerning, to me than Prof L's employment at HC.
As I have stated, I certainly do not agree with what little I have read of his writings (only those quotes contained within the FR article). If HC decides to terminate his employment, so be it.
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Post by lou on Mar 29, 2018 14:40:18 GMT -5
Breitbart comes up with the headline and includes the ridiculous photo. Who needs to read further? The HC student decides to write the story. The book, on display at Holy Cross, was edited by the professor in 2009 and he contributed a chapter, from which most of her article is taken. No new news here, it's been around for several years it seems
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Post by ncaam on Mar 29, 2018 15:07:43 GMT -5
Should the F Review be criticized for publishing this near to Easter?
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Post by hc89 on Mar 29, 2018 15:20:34 GMT -5
Should the F Review be criticized for publishing this near to Easter? In my opinion, No. What do you think?
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Post by sader98 on Mar 29, 2018 15:33:10 GMT -5
HC is going to need to put forth some sort of response quickly as this is gaining a lot of steam. Will be interesting to see what that is. Does anyone know if the admin/board is paying attention to the reaction? Fair or not, the picture in my head is one of one of a poor kid on the fundraising phones getting pummeled by angry alums while the individuals who can do something about are covering their eyes and ears and hoping this blows over.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 29, 2018 15:34:51 GMT -5
No, nor should Fox (which I watch 50-50 with MSNBC) nor Breitbart (that I don't read). Perhaps if anyone should be criticized is the FR for publishing this at any time. Totally worthless exercise. IMHO/FWIW
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Post by lou on Mar 29, 2018 15:41:16 GMT -5
No, nor should Fox (which I watch 50-50 with MSNBC) nor Breitbart (that I don't read). Perhaps if anyone should be criticized is the FR for publishing this at any time. Totally worthless exercise. IMHO/FWIW This what I'm trying to understand. She had to know this was destined for Breitbart, Fox and the rest. I'm not happy with all this negative publicity. Why wasn't this taken to the classroom where she could have challenged the professor if that was her intent.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 29, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5
HC is going to need to put forth some sort of response quickly as this is gaining a lot of steam. Will be interesting to see what that is. Does anyone know if the admin/board is paying attention to the reaction? Fair or not, the picture in my head is one of one of a poor kid on the fundraising phones getting pummeled by angry alums while the individuals who can do something about are covering their eyes and ears and hoping this blows over. Having had a call for my ten year reunion committee last night with someone from the development office, I do think that they are paying attention to this. Not sure what plans they have for a statement or response, if any, on the matter.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 29, 2018 17:00:44 GMT -5
It might not be relevant to you, but it is to me. Perhaps I am more "conservative" about these things than you are, but the fact that Breitbart News used a stock photo of a drag queen as a representative of Jesus Christ, is disgraceful in my mind. The fact that they chose to do it during Holy Week makes it worse (again, maybe not to you, but it is to me).
Somebody who works at the Center for Ethics and Culture at Notre Dame should know better.
I don't know what's difficult to understand about the fact that the Fenwick Review article was posted on March 25th. That is the source for both Breitbart and Fox News. They didn't dig this story out from under a rock that was buried 20 years ago. Your worries are misplaced if you're more concerned with the picture Breitbart attached to the story that the fact that HC is employing someone who is sharing these "beliefs." I am conservative too. Comfortable in my own gender and attracted to only one other gender. I have no appreciation for Drag Kings or Queens, but when I saw the picture even I knew that was a portrayal of a drag something and not our distinguished professor.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 29, 2018 17:11:31 GMT -5
No, nor should Fox (which I watch 50-50 with MSNBC) nor Breitbart (that I don't read). Perhaps if anyone should be criticized is the FR for publishing this at any time. Totally worthless exercise. IMHO/FWIW I would rather have the article published, the professor exposed, and the school putting out a strong response than have a professor like this continuing to teach HC students without anyone knowing.
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Post by lou on Mar 29, 2018 17:18:46 GMT -5
Exposed? The book with his chapter is on display at Holy Cross
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Post by HC92 on Mar 29, 2018 18:26:41 GMT -5
Exposed? The book with his chapter is on display at Holy Cross Not for long.
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 29, 2018 20:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Mar 29, 2018 20:44:09 GMT -5
Boroughs, velaccio and Benny should go. I’ve got a $1000 for the buyouts.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2018 20:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Mar 29, 2018 20:51:50 GMT -5
Can USN&WR be far behind?
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Mar 29, 2018 21:12:45 GMT -5
Burroughs is either clueless or spineless....most likely both. He should resign or be fired. The College should consider a lay person as the next President. We have had three disastrous Presidents in a row since Father Brooks retired. I did not think it could get worse than the scandal plagued Reedy administration. I was wrong. Sad.
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Post by td128 on Mar 29, 2018 21:13:53 GMT -5
The question before the court here ultimately is whether Holy Cross is a Catholic college in name, principle, and practice or not? For those who would view these written words -- AND the thought process of a professor in an Endowed Chair who penned them -- under the umbrella of a form of academic freedom, I guess there is absolutely NO line of demarcation as to what it is deemed unacceptable. Would you want a son or daughter in a classroom where views of this sort or views influenced by this thought process are shared? Before you answer that question, I encourage you to go back and reread and ponder the quoted materials within the article at The Fenwick Review. I have to assume that the Dean and Chair of the Department were involved in the hiring of Professor Liew. As such, I also would assume that they would have -- or should have -- reviewed all of his prior written works and research. They should be called on the carpet and share what they knew or did not know and what they revealed in the hiring process. The same goes for those involved in the tenure process. There were either serious breakdowns in both hiring and tenure OR we have a MUCH MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM/CANCER in our midsts. I personally believe Fr. Boroughs should ultimately summarily dismiss Professor Liew and welcome meeting him in court if he so desires. Those in positions of authority both on and off campus are going to be seriously tested here. He failed the test . . . massively. A sad day in the history of Alma Mater and one that I believe will prove to be exceptionally costly.
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Post by sader98 on Mar 29, 2018 21:17:45 GMT -5
Where is the BOT? They can’t be spectators here.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2018 21:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2018 21:52:57 GMT -5
So. Let’s think a bit about how this went down. A college senior, from an increadably conservative family, and a third generation Crusader just happens to come across these more than decade old musings by a theologian. Of course what else do theologians have to do but muse. Trust me. Academics are always writing and saying stupid, unrealistic things. Publish or perish and all that. And after miraculously finding these old article she writes about them in the Fenwick Review. And goodness. Who happens to be the faculty advisor for the Fenwick Review but one of the aforesaid musing theologians colleagues in the Religious Department. Can anyone say academic politics? Then of course, just by accident mind you, they are leaked or whatever to Breitbart. Then go viral. During a period of time that our Alma Marter is taking lots of heat from alumni. Coincidence. Right. I must be paranoid. If I am following you, are you suggesting the professor’s highly offensive writings are actually cleverly leaked forgeries?
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Post by JoeHC on Mar 29, 2018 22:56:49 GMT -5
Exposed? The book with his chapter is on display at Holy Cross Shhh. According to bringbackcaro, the professor was teaching this while 'nobody knew' - must have been a very small class!
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 29, 2018 23:33:32 GMT -5
It's a disaster and the axe should fall on Fr. Buroughs, the professor and members of the BOT. Free falling into the abyss and haven't reached it yet... Until they see the HC Fund numbers and the irreparable damage to HC...
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 29, 2018 23:39:50 GMT -5
From the article:" That debate certainly ought to cause alumni to pause and consider their support for a school that turns the alumni gift of a chair in New Testament studies into a platform for idiocy. And parents who are paying north of $60,000 per year for tuition, room, and board at Holy Cross might want to protect their investment by suggesting that their sons and daughters tack away from the New Testament course taught by Liew, which, as The Fenwick Review reports, is “the College’s primary New Testament class.” Challenge is one thing, and a good thing, in college. Immersion in ideological posturing is quite another." Nails it.
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