HC athletics at its nadir?

I don’t have the time to check out the results this year much less over the last 4 years but I occasionally check the HC athletics site “ticker” of results and upcoming events and the impression is that we are losing almost every athletic event.

If we are getting a boost from LAC, it hasn’t happened yet.

If Nate is looking to upgrade his job elsewhere, the wins better kick in soon as raising funds will get him only so far and results on the field and court are going to have a career impact.

"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure" is an old quote. Any school in America can look bad if the evaluation is based on something like this: "Look at our team records, but don't count the championships we won." Yes, HC is going through a rough patch...no argument there. But to not see the improvement and the potential for further improvement is a sign that one is only posting propaganda. Yes, propaganda.."the selective presentation of facts to prove a predetermined point of view."

If you don't think we are getting a most yet from the LAC (in its first year), then you may have missed the many times it has been referred to as one reason why some good athletes are interested in HC. It is a huge step up and as team records improve, it may well become even bigger.

There is a theory in history known as the Devil Theory. It is that blame is typically put on one person or group to explain any negative ones encounters. That is the easy way to do it. There are countless examples of this theory in history. Would the Civil War have been avoided/ended and all regional problems diminished if we could just "Hang Jeff Davis From a Sour Apple Tree?" Not likely. The Kaiser was not the reason for the First World War. And, the many problems faced by HC athletics do not all result from decisions made by Nate Pine - as at last one or two posters might like to believe. He is a good athletic director doing an admirable job on Mt St James. He has a solid reputation among those in college athletic administration. The task he has taken on is huge (and the future of Holy Cross will be strongly influenced by how successful he may be now and in the future). If NP cannot get the Crusaders back on track, perhaps no one can. I support HC athletics and I support the man who leads the program along with the staff he has assembled. (Just for the record.)

OK let's go;

Fr BROOKS is responsible

OK, you’ve added the miracle of five games in March. Now discuss the rest of the program. The four years and 100 attempts at season winning success and I daresay lack there of. For what it’s worth the Luth has not won a game yet.

Where is the improvement?

8485, thanks for the stats. Not being a math major, the President's Cup rankings look pretty much like a plateau - 8th to 7th not a big improvement. However, I don't especially care about that standard (unless we were regularly #1, then it would be critically important  ).

I hope RGS wasn't lumping me in with some other posters. My only point was that very early on in his time with HC, NP was looked at as the guy who would drag the school over the financial hump to get the LAC and perhaps improve the "brand" of HC athletics and then move on to a bigger (read: better) job. 

I think he has succeeded most admirably financially though he is also known for greatly increasing the staffing in the Athletic Department. As for "branding," not as great a success IMHO. I think TPTB took the lazy way out and chose his purple shield HC logo. No, I don't blame him for that.

But I stand by my prior statement that HC teams have to turn a corner and start producing more wins before he can be truly seen as "successful" at HC. Just my opinion. I hope he succeeds, not only for him but more importantly, for Holy Cross. 

We may not be at a nadir but we are still a very far cry from successful.

That's a preposterous statement, RGS.

NP has shown absolutely no ability in understanding how to hire and develop coaches -- one of the most important jobs of an Athletic Director. 

You keep avoiding my main question. Where are the first place season long finishes?

Another barometer of how lousy our results are - after BU's softball team swept 3 games from us last weekend and last night their women's lax team blew us out, the famed 'Turnpike Trophy' competition for 2017-18 stands at 15-4. Let's drop this silly thing, we can't compete with the 'Terrier' powerhouse.

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If he is being measured by the “other measures” then Doris start loading the car.

OK, PP. Now throw in coaches salaries, facilities maintenance and travel expenses. Any change? Athletic spending is more than just schollie costs. If HC hired Rick Pitino, schollies would be the same but our overall expenses would go up as I think he'd want more than Carmody is getting.