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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 8:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 11, 2018 12:20:24 GMT -5
It is a dynasty. As much as I hate to say it, as a Lebron James fan. They kind of stacked the deck against the rest of the NBA and it is not really fair.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 12:39:47 GMT -5
Did Lebron and Wade do the same thing a few years ago in Miami ?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 11, 2018 15:38:29 GMT -5
It is a dynasty. As much as I hate to say it, as a Lebron James fan. They kind of stacked the deck against the rest of the NBA and it is not really fair. Disagree here. They brought in ONE high-profile free agent in Kevin Durant prior to last year. And they would have beaten Cleveland this year easily without KD and probably last year as well. Golden State' two other stars are both home-grown draft picks. Curry went 6th in the draft if I recall -- it's not even like they lucked out lottery-wise and locked in top 3 picks in back-to-back years.
I'm getting a little tired of the Warriors but they've done it the right way. Up to the rest of the league to find a way to beat them next year -- Philly, Boston and Houston should be right there next season as well as wherever LeBron ends up if it's not one of those aforementioned places (or the Warriors).
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 15:43:43 GMT -5
I love the way they pass the ball. The top 6 all are unselfish and able to make plays for one another.
The best passing team I have seen since the ‘70 Knicks.
and both teams had at least 5 players who could dribble,and shoot.as well.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 11, 2018 16:22:29 GMT -5
I don't follow the NBA but as far as whether the Warriors are a "dynasty" I think it may be too soon to say. I'd say they are on a great run, but I'd want to see more championships before awarding dynasty status. I'd look for 5 or 6 championships in a 10 year period for a dynasty.
Here's the opinion of a Wikipedia contributor:
"In sports, a dynasty is a team or individual that dominates their sport or league for an extended length of time. Some leagues maintain official lists of dynasties, often as part of a hall of fame, but in many cases, whether a team or individual has achieved a dynasty is subjective. This can result in frequent topic of debate among sports fans due to lack of consensus and agreement in the many different variables and criteria that fans may use to define a sports dynasty.[1][2][3] Merriam-Webster describes a dynasty as a "sports franchise which has a prolonged run of successful seasons".[4] "
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 16:28:32 GMT -5
I don't follow the NBA but as far as whether the Warriors are a "dynasty" I think it may be too soon to say. I'd say they are on a great run, but I'd want to see more championships before awarding dynasty status. I'd look for 5 or 6 championships in a 10 year period for a dynasty. By the 5 or 6 criteria, there are only 2 NBA dynasties—Russel’s Celtics and Jordan’s Bulls The Warriors core 4 may be young enough to win 5. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 11, 2018 16:29:48 GMT -5
Oakland is going to have to break the bank to keep the team together long-term (Klay Thompson is going cost a sh*t load), and if they do, the NBA needs a HARD salary cap fast, or the Warriors will likely end up giving the C's 11 titles in 13 yrs a run for it's money.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 16:32:34 GMT -5
Oakland is going to have to break the bank to keep the team together long-term (Klay Thompson is going cost a sh*t load), and if they do, the NBA needs a HARD salary cap fast, or the Warriors will likely end up giving the C's 11 titles in 13 yrs a run for it's money. I do not see the players association agreeing to any hard cap. That 11 is beyond the Warriors’ and any other team’s reach. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 11, 2018 16:45:37 GMT -5
Oakland is going to have to break the bank to keep the team together long-term (Klay Thompson is going cost a sh*t load), and if they do, the NBA needs a HARD salary cap fast, or the Warriors will likely end up giving the C's 11 titles in 13 yrs a run for it's money. I do not see the players association agreeing to any hard cap. That 11 is beyond the Warriors’ and any other team’s reach. W/o a hard cap they can def within shouting distance. Would have likely been 4 straight if Green wasn't suspended. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 11, 2018 17:07:10 GMT -5
Did Lebron and Wade do the same thing a few years ago in Miami ? The Heat lost in the first round in 2010. The Warriors came of a 73-9 record, (Best in NBA History) The Warriors had Stephen Curry who was a two years in a row MVP and that year he was unanimous. The Warriors at that time had Thompson and Green who were both all stars. The Warriors also had a Finals MVP in Iguodala Lastly the Warriors had a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Now, Wade had won a Championship, in 2006. But that was with players that were most no longer there anymore like Shaq. Finally, the teams Miami played in the Finals were far superior than the teams the Warriors had to play. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 11, 2018 18:05:44 GMT -5
The NBA has devolved into a product that more closely resembles the WWF than actual basketball. It's all about storylines and highlight plays, while no teams play defense, and most teams are disinterested in the majority of their regular season games (and some even disinterested in postseason road games). Winning is almost completely about whichever team makes more 3-pointers.
The average number of possessions per game for NBA teams this year was 100.7, and the "slowest" team was San Antonio with 98 possessions per game.
10 years ago, the average was 94.9 and 26 of the 30 teams were below 98 possessions per game.
15 years ago, the average was 93.4 and all 29 teams were below 98 possessions per game.
NBA teams averaged 29.0 3-point attempts per game this year.
This is 60% higher than 10 years ago (18.1 per game) and 95% higher than 15 years ago (14.9 per game).
Over that same time, the number of 2-point FG attempts per game has decreased by 8% and 12%, respectively.
But the NBA has done an outstanding job of creating and marketing a product for people who care more about dunks and 3-pointers than watching a true basketball game. I'm amazed that people continue to watch these games.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 18:44:32 GMT -5
Did Lebron and Wade do the same thing a few years ago in Miami ? The Heat lost in the first round in 2010. The Warriors came of a 73-9 record, (Best in NBA History) The Warriors had Stephen Curry who was a two years in a row MVP and that year he was unanimous. The Warriors at that time had Thompson and Green who were both all stars. The Warriors also had a Finals MVP in Iguodala Lastly the Warriors had a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Now, Wade had won a Championship, in 2006. But that was with players that were most no longer there anymore like Shaq. Finally, the teams Miami played in the Finals were far superior than the teams the Warriors had to play. My reference to Lebron and the Heat was in response to crossisback who as a Lebron fan accused the Warriors of stacking the deck. My comment was just to point out that it had been done previously. How it was done is mostly irrelevant. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 11, 2018 20:48:43 GMT -5
The Heat lost in the first round in 2010. The Warriors came of a 73-9 record, (Best in NBA History) The Warriors had Stephen Curry who was a two years in a row MVP and that year he was unanimous. The Warriors at that time had Thompson and Green who were both all stars. The Warriors also had a Finals MVP in Iguodala Lastly the Warriors had a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Now, Wade had won a Championship, in 2006. But that was with players that were most no longer there anymore like Shaq. Finally, the teams Miami played in the Finals were far superior than the teams the Warriors had to play. . My comment was just to point out that it had been done previously. How it was done is mostly irrelevant. No, I did the opposite. I was quoting another post from the crossisback. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 20:57:45 GMT -5
My reference to Lebron and the Heat was in response to nycrusader who as a Lebron fan accused the Warriors of stacking the deck. My comment was just to point out that it had been done previously. How it was done is mostly irrelevant. No, I did the opposite. I was quoting another post from the crossisback. Pardon corrected |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 11, 2018 21:12:30 GMT -5
The NBA has devolved into a product that more closely resembles the WWF than actual basketball. It's all about storylines and highlight plays, while no teams play defense, and most teams are disinterested in the majority of their regular season games (and some even disinterested in postseason road games). Winning is almost completely about whichever team makes more 3-pointers. But the NBA has done an outstanding job of creating and marketing a product for people who care more about dunks and 3-pointers than watching a true basketball game. I'm amazed that people continue to watch these games. Four changes I would like to see the NBA make to create a better product: 1) Actually start calling travels. 2) Eliminate the Defensive Three Seconds violation 3) Employ refs who can actually control the game -- its the 5 technical fouls and 2 flagrants per game that make pro basketball feel like wrestling. 4) Get rid of the gimmick that allows a team to call a timeout after an opponent's made basket in the waning seconds and inbound the ball in the front court, rather than having to go the floor length. In general, making it harder to score will make the NBA a more superior product. They also need to reduce the number of teams making the postseason and/or go back to best-of-five in the first round. Playoffs are too drawn out and repeatedly result in injuries to star players, forcing them to miss time later in the postseason, when games matter most. And the pressure on coaches to play the stars on the road no matter what needs to go away. Player's health needs to come first, ESPECIALLY THE STARS!! How about the league actually present and market a beautiful game rather than individual performances and oversize personalities? It didn't have to be national scandal when Ohtani was scratched from his Sunday start against the Yankees when the Angels came to the Bronx. Despite wanting to see him pitch, the fans still showed up and didn't complain. Yet if LeBron is nursing a nagging injury and decides to sit out at Madison Square Garden, the phones will be lighting up on 98.7 and WFAN for two weeks straight. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 21:36:07 GMT -5
5- As Jeff VanGundy says repeatedly, when a fast break is stopped by grabbing the ballhandler, give the offense 2 Ft and the ball, not just an inbound when the D is not over the foul limit/
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2018 22:02:10 GMT -5
I do not see the players association agreeing to any hard cap. That 11 is beyond the Warriors’ and any other team’s reach. W/o a hard cap they can def within shouting distance. Would have likely been 4 straight if Green wasn't suspended. Maybe not True that if Green was not suspended, the Warriors probably would have won, BUT then they most likely would not have pursued Durant, thus making these last two championships far less probable. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 12, 2018 7:48:47 GMT -5
W/o a hard cap they can def within shouting distance. Would have likely been 4 straight if Green wasn't suspended. Maybe not True that if Green was not suspended, the Warriors probably would have won, BUT then they most likely would not have pursued Durant, thus making these last two championships far less probable. Why wouldn't they have pursued Durant? |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 12, 2018 7:51:00 GMT -5
5- As Jeff VanGundy says repeatedly, when a fast break is stopped by grabbing the ballhandler, give the offense 2 Ft and the ball, not just an inbound when the D is not over the foul limit/ IMO, the game would be more interesting if they started penalizing teams when their players walk back on defense. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 12, 2018 7:52:30 GMT -5
Maybe not True that if Green was not suspended, the Warriors probably would have won, BUT then they most likely would not have pursued Durant, thus making these last two championships far less probable. Why wouldn't they have pursued Durant? Because they would not have perceived the need for Durant having won 2 in a row with everyone returning |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 12, 2018 9:30:39 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they have pursued Durant? Because they would not have perceived the need for Durant having won 2 in a row with everyone returning My guess is that they still would have pursued him. Today's NBA is a never-ending arms race.
Remember, Durant almost beat them in the conference SEMIS that year before OKC blew a 3-1 lead to the Warriors. I believe they would have wanted to have the biggest individual threat in the West on their roster and not on an opponent.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 12, 2018 10:17:46 GMT -5
Possibly, but would Lacob have shelled out the dollars after they had won 2 in a row without Durant ?
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