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Post by realism on Jun 19, 2018 7:14:34 GMT -5
2017-18 Patriot League President’s Cup Final Standings
(number of Patriot League sports in parentheses)
Overall
1. Navy – 167.5 (21)
2. Bucknell – 149 (24)
3. Lehigh - 134.75 (24)
4. Army West Point – 131.5 (20)
5. Boston University – 124.5 (20)
6. Colgate – 80.75 (22)
7. Holy Cross – 79 (24) "Bang for the Buck index:" Divide the points ( 79 ) by the Number of sports ( 24 )
8. Loyola Maryland – 75.25 (17)
9. American – 62 (15)
10. Lafayette – 57.75 (22)
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Post by lou on Jun 19, 2018 7:22:42 GMT -5
Y.E.S.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 19, 2018 7:57:42 GMT -5
Easy answer: yes
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2018 8:42:57 GMT -5
Yup.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 19, 2018 8:43:39 GMT -5
I also like the league except for the geography problem (along with BU, so many long road trips) and I wish the league would permit getting 2 road games in on the same weekend (friday and sunday)
the 'bang for the buck' index is the real ranking and we are 9th, our usual spot for many years (thank you, 'pards)
if we don't see significant progress in 2018-19, I will be very concerned as the Luth Factor must start reaping benefits
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 19, 2018 9:08:25 GMT -5
Hearing that football recruit speak of the Luth (and Coach Chesney)in the recruiting thread I think is a great sign for the future. Still might be a few years before real rewards are realized.
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Post by Tom on Jun 19, 2018 9:12:06 GMT -5
Not sure where the this thread is going based on the title combined with initial post of presidents cup standings
Are you suggesting HC should find a smaller pond in which it could be a big fish? Are you suggesting that since overall performance basically stinks, that HC might as well really stink in a higher profile league?
I think HC does belong in the PL, but really needs to up its game primarily in "major" sports. I believe the presidents cup weights everything equally. Unfair on my part, but I don't. A men's basketball championship means more to me than a tennis championship. I do recognize that performance has been sub standard on the "major" sports as well as the minor ones
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2018 9:16:50 GMT -5
Understood. I believe most folks on here feel that way IMHO. I root for all HC teams, but wins (dare I say “titles”) mean more in the major sports. 😉
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Post by realism on Jun 19, 2018 9:27:16 GMT -5
1. Are you suggesting HC should find a smaller pond in which it could be a big fish? 2. Are you suggesting that since overall performance basically stinks, that HC might as well really stink in a higher profile league? 1. YES--Time to have this option under review. TPTB should establish benchmark objectives. If those objectives aren't reached in a specific time frame, alternative strategies should be available. 2. NO "higher profile league" in this country has ANY interest in H.C.. Not an option. |
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Post by lou on Jun 19, 2018 9:33:04 GMT -5
1. Are you suggesting HC should find a smaller pond in which it could be a big fish? 2. Are you suggesting that since overall performance basically stinks, that HC might as well really stink in a higher profile league? 1. YES--Time to have this option under review. TPTB should establish benchmark objectives. If those objectives aren't reached in a specific time frame, alternative strategies should be available. 2. NO "higher profile league" in this country has ANY interest in H.C.. Not an option. So you want us to take our $95 mill Luth complex with us and move to D3? |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 19, 2018 9:51:51 GMT -5
Everyone - do yourself a solid and ignore this troll.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 19, 2018 10:27:27 GMT -5
Middlebury is D3. Their fieldhouse complex alone cost $46 million dollars if I understand correctly. Just because you spend the $$$ doesn't mean you have the quality of program to be at a certain level. The Cleveland Browns are in the NFL, the top football league on the planet. They have fantastic facilities and a stadium and a multi-million dollar payroll. Last year they didn't win a single game.
If I built a $10m basketball court in my backyard, I wouldn't magically begin playing like Michael Jordan.
To bring these outlandish analogies back to earth, I would pick up here that posters are inferring that the Luth represents an overall investment in the program. I would agree, and we should take it (for now) that the current HC administration is serious about athletics. With that said, spending money and building facilities are big pieces to the puzzle, but not the entire thing. There has to be success in recruiting, coaching, marketing, scheduling, COMPLIANCE (HC BASKETBALL YOU'RE KILLING ME-- WHEN WILL WE KNOWWWWWWWWWWW?), and perhaps most importantly, success on the fields of play. The Luth puzzle may help the other ones materialize and be more successful, but in and of itself does not constitute a winning program. Hence, the numbers and ranks we see in the initial post on this thread.
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Post by trimster on Jun 19, 2018 11:09:19 GMT -5
Based mainly on "where else would we go in Division 1" thinking, I reluctantly say yes. I'd like to see the league expand by two and go to two divisions. Colleges I would look at include include Northeastern, Fairfield and Fordham.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 19, 2018 11:27:16 GMT -5
Fordham is not leaving the Atlantic 10.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 19, 2018 11:54:29 GMT -5
Yes, Fordham has to figure that if it stays in the conference another couple of decades it could have another winning season in conference play. Fordham went 10-6 in A10 in 06-07 but has gone 39-144 in conference since then.
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Post by crusader12 on Jun 19, 2018 11:58:02 GMT -5
HC Athletics stink right now. The PL compared to other D1 leagues stinks. It's perfect!
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Post by trimster on Jun 19, 2018 12:25:49 GMT -5
As much as I don't like the Patriot League, it is probably the best fit for HC. Small, basically liberal arts colleges in the East trying to compete in D1, including football. Unfortunately, aside from short stretches in men's hoops vs American and Bucknell, rivalries haven't developed.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 19, 2018 12:40:16 GMT -5
![]() Great exercise thread.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 19, 2018 13:33:44 GMT -5
Middlebury is D3. Their fieldhouse complex alone cost $46 million dollars if I understand correctly. Just because you spend the $$$ doesn't mean you have the quality of program to be at a certain level. The Cleveland Browns are in the NFL, the top football league on the planet. They have fantastic facilities and a stadium and a multi-million dollar payroll. Last year they didn't win a single game. If I built a $10m basketball court in my backyard, I wouldn't magically begin playing like Michael Jordan. To bring these outlandish analogies back to earth, I would pick up here that posters are inferring that the Luth represents an overall investment in the program. I would agree, and we should take it (for now) that the current HC administration is serious about athletics. With that said, spending money and building facilities are big pieces to the puzzle, but not the entire thing. There has to be success in recruiting, coaching, marketing, scheduling, COMPLIANCE (HC BASKETBALL YOU'RE KILLING ME-- WHEN WILL WE KNOWWWWWWWWWWW?), and perhaps most importantly, success on the fields of play. The Luth puzzle may help the other ones materialize and be more successful, but in and of itself does not constitute a winning program. Hence, the numbers and ranks we see in the initial post on this thread. +1 We need new leadership that actually understands sports and how to hire, develop, and position coaches for success. Pine has done an absolutely miserable job in this category. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 19, 2018 16:10:12 GMT -5
I do appreciate that these types of threads appear during the summer, rather than during the football and basketball seasons, where they have all too often.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 19, 2018 18:42:32 GMT -5
trimster, you obviously have not been paying attention . . . . . whaddaya think the "Turnpike Trophy" is all about!?  |
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2018 18:53:43 GMT -5
LOL  |
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Post by realism on Jun 19, 2018 18:57:37 GMT -5
Answers from other stakeholders ( beyond alumni ) might unearth a broader perspective:
1. past, current and prospective student-athletes
2. the person responsible for institutional strategic planning
3. the financial V.P.
4. TPTB
5. the marketing/branding guy
etc.
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