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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 22, 2016 4:54:56 GMT -5
For those interested in the orders of knights,
Knights Templar, disbanded by the Pope in 1312. The last Grand Master, Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake in Paris, cursing both the king and the Pope. They both died within a year. De Molay and the Knights Templar have been grafted into the Free Masons.
Knights Hospitaller, still extant, as Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Chartered to take care of the sick, poor, and injured traveling to the Holy Land. Protestant and non-denominational counterparts still exist, the Protestant units having split during the Reformation.
Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, still extant. Purpose is self-descriptive. Loosely affiliated with the Augustinians.
Knights of Saint Lazarus, disbanded circa 1835. Care of the sick. Also loosely affiliated with the Augustinians.
Teutonic Knights, still extant, as charitable order. Formed later than other orders of Knights. Also participated in European wars. Has both Catholic and Protestant units.
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Post by breezy on Jun 22, 2016 7:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 22, 2016 11:21:36 GMT -5
Not able to access this article. Can anyone cut and paste it?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 22, 2016 11:38:21 GMT -5
^^^ Not trying to push 'fair use' too far.. This cut and paste basically discusses Fr. Campbell's explanation for the name change for Mulledy, and briefly touches on Healy.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 22, 2016 11:48:37 GMT -5
Not able to access this article. Can anyone cut and paste it? If you're using Google Chrome ... Right click the link and click "Open Link in Incognito Window." Other browsers use different terminology like private window but works in the same way.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2016 11:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 23, 2016 13:59:10 GMT -5
Fordham is apparently unaware or unfazed by the politically incorrect statements of its founder, Archbishop John Hughes, about slavery and Abraham Lincoln. A full-page ad in today's N.Y. Times celebrating the University's 175th anniversary features a large color portrait of Hughes.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 23, 2016 15:42:52 GMT -5
How many sins or perhaps morally ambiguous (or worse) transgressions are we likely to find if every institution and organization that dates back to the 19th century does a thorough personality profile of its founders and key contributors?
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 23, 2016 22:49:31 GMT -5
How many sins or perhaps morally ambiguous (or worse) transgressions are we likely to find if every institution and organization that dates back to the 19th century does a thorough personality profile of its founders and key contributors? Probably not too many, which is why "presentism" is held in low regard in some circles.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 24, 2016 5:53:17 GMT -5
Harvard has a residential house still named, in large part, after President Lowell, even though Lowell, as a matter of policy, discriminated against the Jews. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/harvard.html(If you care to read the Jewish take on the Crusades, one can search that topic on the Jewish virtual library or other sources on the web that chronicle Jewish history.)
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 24, 2016 13:33:03 GMT -5
Not able to access this article. Can anyone cut and paste it? "In November, the College of the Holy Cross convened a committee to review its “history in relation to our identity and mission today,” which is the academic approach to deciding whether the college should continue naming a residence hall after Rev. Thomas Mulledy, a past president who had sold slaves to profit the Jesuit institution in 1837. Faced with the same question around the same time, Georgetown University, where Rev. Mulledy also served as a president, renamed its residence hall. Holy Cross appeared to have arrived at a more solomonic resolution. In a report summarizing the committee’s review of the issue, Holy Cross president, the Rev. Philip Boroughs, said he was recommending his board of trustees rename Mulledy Hall the Brooks-Mulledy Hall. Rev. John E. Brooks, of course, is well known for his efforts as a faculty member to integrate the college in the 1960s and for his decision as president to open the institution to female students. “While the committee found no consensus on the issue of keeping or changing the name of Mulledy Hall, I believe how we move forward needs to signal a new consciousness regarding our past connection to slavery, as well as a heightened obligation to continue to reflect on our institutional history and to continue our unfinished work in engaging racial differences on our campus,” Rev. Boroughs explained in the report on the review committee’s deliberations he released last week. Renaming Mulledy Hall the Brooks-Mulledy Hall combines “the best of both instincts,” he said. Rev. William Campbell, vice president for mission who chaired the review commission, agrees. He believes the committee’s work and Rev. Boroughs’ recommendation promote reconciliation and redemption, both of which are necessary in respecting “the nuance of our story.” Rev. Mulledy’s decision to sell 272 slaves from four estates of the Maryland Jesuit Province to pay down a Georgetown debt and to create an endowment that later benefited Holy Cross must be acknowledged, and keeping his name on the residence hall is one way to keep alive the college’s past connection to slavery, Rev. Campbell believes. “By keeping the name attached, we keep before us the brokenness and sinfulness of our lives,” he said. The committee also saw Rev. Mulledy, Holy Cross' first president, as someone who came to understand “the implications of what he had done,” and sought forgiveness, Rev. Campbell said. In his report on the review committtee's deliberation, Rev. Campbell said Rev. Mulledy's redemptive actions following his sale of the slaves (many families were split up as a result) prompted some committee members to prefer retaining the name Mulledy Hall as a means to educate the community about the college's past. The report said "many" felt changing the name would risk “the potential erasure of the fact that Holy Cross benefited from slavery and the slave trade, a story that is essential to acknowledge and remember as we seek to live out our institutional mission.” Others, however, wanted the name removed “to make our physical plant more consistent with our stated institutional values.” The committee also considered and decided against renaming Healy Hall, a residence named after the Rev. James A. Healy, the son of a white plantation owner and an enslaved female of mixed race. Known today as the first black Catholic bishop in the United States, Rev. Healy spent his life passing as white, and according to the report, was “critical of radical Republicans seeking to promote black equality.” He was relevant to the discussion because in settling his father’s estate his siblings sold the slaves they inherited, the proceeds from which benefited Holy Cross. Rev. Healy is said to have also purchased two slave women, although his motive for doing so is unknown. The committee sought responses on its name-change consideration from the Holy Cross community, including faculty and former students. Some 125 individual responses were received spanning a range of views. A faculty member said, for example, “People who accomplished great things, for their country or just for Holy Cross, need to be judged on the basis of their overall accomplishments, not for participating in a deeply regrettable but widely accepted practice of their time.” A member of the class of 1982, countered that “The College needs to acknowledge its past by apologizing for the actions of these men who once represented us, not place them in a lofty place of honor on our campus.” These varying views speak to the danger of keeping the names of the residence halls in place and the dissappointment it will be to some. While it might spur conversations and opinions about Rev. Mulledy’s and Rev. Healy’s betrayal of their humanity, it doesn’t reject or condemn that betrayal, not with the certitude removing the names would carry."
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2016 8:14:14 GMT -5
i will cease donating to HC if they give in to the PC nonsense re: Crusaders. I suspect I am not alone. Give me a break. Let's focus our time and effort on addressing actual problems in the world rather than ones made up by a small, but vocal group of people looking each day for new ways to be offended. Fortunately, I think the alumni and HC fund offices recognize that they will lose donors
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 6, 2016 8:46:15 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by Fr. K on Jul 6, 2016 10:44:38 GMT -5
How many sins or perhaps morally ambiguous (or worse) transgressions are we likely to find if every institution and organization that dates back to the 19th century does a thorough personality profile of its founders and key contributors? Craig Steven Wilder addresses the connection between higher ed and slavery in his book EBONY AND IVORY. The subtitle: Race, Slavery, and the Troubled History of America's Universities. Many or most schools, north and south, were financed in some way by slavery before the Civil War. Members of the committee here read the book during the Christmas break.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 6, 2016 11:33:10 GMT -5
Thanks, Father K. It sounds like a worthwhile read.
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Post by rickii on Jul 6, 2016 13:19:32 GMT -5
Whatever was the outcome at U of Virginia a few years back over the revelation that Thomas Jefferson fathered a child via one of his female black slaves ?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 6, 2016 13:26:00 GMT -5
Probably little He designed that school
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 27, 2016 8:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by beaven302 on Jul 29, 2016 0:44:58 GMT -5
An article in the GU student newspaper recounting how the sale came to pass, with quotes that do hold up well when viewed through the lens of time. www.thehoya.com/slavery/This type of view was a common defense of slavery. In An Inquiry into the Law of Negro Slavery by leading Georgia attorney Thomas R.R. Cobb, which was written during the 1850s, one of his many arguments for slavery was that it exists in the Bible.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 4, 2016 17:40:42 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 17, 2016 7:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 17, 2016 9:10:00 GMT -5
Well, I believe Fr. Boroughs' name is still available!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 4, 2016 11:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by sarasota on Sept 4, 2016 13:29:16 GMT -5
The "Brooks-Mulledy" solution was brilliant.
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 4, 2016 14:35:40 GMT -5
The "Brooks-Mulledy" solution was brilliant. From the article: Another school that recently delved into slavery issues has a direct connection to the Georgetown story. The College of the Holy Cross, a Jesuit school in Massachusetts, was founded in the 1840s. Its first president was the Rev. Thomas Mulledy, who had been one of the Georgetown presidents responsible for the 1838 slave sale. Like Georgetown until recently, Holy Cross honored Mulledy with a building on campus named for him. Last year, Georgetown stripped Mulledy’s name from a residence hall after concluding that it was no longer an appropriate recognition. But Holy Cross took a slightly different approach: In June, it added another name to the building in question. What was once Mulledy Hall on the Worcester campus is now Brooks-Mulledy Hall. The addition recognizes a 20th-century president, the Rev. John E. Brooks, who recruited African Americans in the 1960s to help integrate the campus. A Holy Cross committee that examined the Mulledy issue acknowledged that interpretations of a college’s history can change dramatically over time. “Our history is, in some ways, a living thing, an ongoing process of reception and interpretation,” the committee wrote. “It is important that we tell that story over and over in a community that is always welcoming new members, and that we tell it accurately. The act of remembering sometimes demands that the College community face painful and unjust moments in its history. We look back on the story of Holy Cross with new insights into our mission and identity and recognize injustices with greater clarity.”
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