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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 11:11:43 GMT -5
But perhaps the purple shaded glasses we wear regularly here have distorted reality. Watching HC football and basketball brings back hidden memories of my Brooklyn Dodgers. It was almost always "wait 'til next year." As a Brooklyn fan. Although they only won the World Series once, they dominated the NL in the late 40s and 50s, the second most successful major league team during that era. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 11:29:53 GMT -5
hoops, I think it was you who suggested I read Goodwin's book about the Dodgers. Yes they were "successful," up to a point. "Success" was defined by the Yankees in baseball and no one came close. Having been abandoned by the Dodgers and quickly followed by the Giants, if you were a baseball fan in NY in those days, the only game in town was the Yankees. I soon came to love Mantle, Berra, Ford, Skowron, "the Scooter," McDougal, even Maris (  ) and all the rest. When they retired, Tom Tresh was not the next Mickey Mantle, it was time to root for the hilariously incompetent Mets with a cast of heading-downhill players and newbies and an appreciation for Willie Mays, who my father loved when he played with the Giants. Mets magical World Series win was like a Holy Cross team winning a PL championship. The baseball strike killed my love of MLB and can only watch, sometimes, a World Series. I do enjoy the occasional little league game locally because their love of the game is pure and do it for fun. |
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 11:40:19 GMT -5
Disagree strongly about the Dodgers not even coming close as far as success was concerned in those years. Almost all the Dodger-Y WS were close and domination of the NL was significant.
Very, very few Brooklyn Dodger fans ever became Yank... fans. The animosity was so great from ‘47-‘57 that we even argued that not only was each Dodger position player better than the corresponding Y.., but that our announcers were superior—Scully, Barber and Desmond over (S)Mel Allen, but even that Schafer beer was better than Ballantine,
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 11:55:35 GMT -5
How many WS did the Yankees win vs. Brooklyn Dodgers? That's all the matters, not "participation trophies." [just pouring gasoline on your fire]. Don't get upset. I was a Dodger fan. You didn't feel betrayed when O'Malley went to the left coast? |
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Post by bison137 on Oct 13, 2018 12:05:06 GMT -5
Don't get upset. I was a Dodger fan. You didn't feel betrayed when O'Malley went to the left coast? The biggest betrayal was by Robert Moses, who refused to allow a new park to be built in Brooklyn. It was Flushing Meadows or nothing. O'Malley opted for L.A. instead. Had NYC allowed a new park in Brooklyn, the Dodgers would still be in NYC. |
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 12:05:19 GMT -5
Sader70,
1-Too many
2-That is not all that matters. NL pennants were not participation trophies. A silly statement.
3- I am still in therapy
As Pete Hamill(a former neighbor) said, In the late 40s-50s in Brooklyn the 3 most hated names were Hitler, Stalin and O’Malley, and not necessarily in that order.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 12:08:38 GMT -5
Don't get upset. I was a Dodger fan. You didn't feel betrayed when O'Malley went to the left coast? The biggest betrayal was by Robert Moses, who refused to allow a new park to be built in Brooklyn. It was Flushing Meadows or nothing. O'Malley opted for L.A. instead. Had NYC allowed a new park in Brooklyn, the Dodgers would still be in NYC. Moses deserves blame also, but O’Malley’s greed led him to Los Angeles. He did not want to stay in the city, turning down a Flushing Meadows site in Queens. I strongly disagree with that last statement. That is weak revisionist history. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 12:14:34 GMT -5
So glad this thread went off the rails instead of dwelling on a supposed 5th place basketball finish. I'll go on record now that if we finish in the regular season 5th that Carmody needs to retire, voluntarily or otherwise.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 12:16:06 GMT -5
You just put the thread back on the rails
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 12:19:27 GMT -5
And as for you, dear Long Island friend, your #3 statement is the most important. I can see that you haven't moved on.  And, yes, I've heard the top 3 hate target before and probably accurate. Final comment: I assume based on your rabidity that you have an Ebbetts Field stadium seat somewhere in your house. Are you in this picture?  |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 13, 2018 12:57:14 GMT -5
So glad this thread went off the rails instead of dwelling on a supposed 5th place basketball finish. I'll go on record now that if we finish in the regular season 5th that Carmody needs to retire, voluntarily or otherwise. What if they finish 5th, but get to the PL finals? 😀 Or, what if they finish 5th, but the top 4 all finish in the top 100 nationally? Yes, I know that is extremely unlikely....my point is it could be very very crowded at the top. I will be surprised and disappointed if to he league is not better this year. Hopefully the guys will start by making some noise in the non conference part of the season. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 13:07:18 GMT -5
Dave, you're not a "glass is half full" kinda guy, more like "whoppee! the glass is 10% full! [not 90% empty]" I know you are kidding but, I'll see your optimistic theoretical scenario and raise you one better: I will be OK if we finish 9th and then run off 4 away wins in a row to win the PL tournament championship all on long bus rides and go to the NCAAs again. But what's the chances of that ever happening? If it happens, I will be on the wagon for an extension to Carmody's contract. |
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2018 13:13:08 GMT -5
And as for you, dear Long Island friend, your #3 statement is the most important. I can see that you haven't moved on. And, yes, I've heard the top 3 hate target before and probably accurate. Final comment: I assume based on your rabidity that you have an Ebbetts Field stadium seat somewhere in your house. Are you in this picture? My bus stop to Brooklyn Prep was at Ebbets Field. During my freshman year, walking to and from school every day, I was forced to watch each brick of my beloved field(still the best, with Wrigley second and Fenway 3rd) be torn down and you doubted about my therapy |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2018 13:22:37 GMT -5
Nah, I wouldn't doubt your therapy. My Dad was both a Brooklyn Prep (R.I.P.) and Holy Cross grad, like you. I understand these things.  |
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Post by dadominate on Oct 13, 2018 18:25:53 GMT -5
these preseason magazine prognostications are usually pretty meaningless. the pl coaches rankings definitely mean more, although i could see them having us somewhere in the same range of finishing in the 3-5 spot in the pl.
that said, i would be willing to place a sizable wager that we finish no worse than 3rd in the pl this year. anyone want to take me up on that? more importantly, i see us in the pl tournament championship game.
we return a lot more experience than most recognize when just looking at the class years and last year's standings (that's all the mags do for low/mid-majors) and i really like the way we played towards the end of last year. mark my words, we will be better than these magazines are predicting.
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 13, 2018 18:45:45 GMT -5
these preseason magazine prognostications are usually pretty meaningless. the pl coaches rankings definitely mean more, although i could see them having us somewhere in the same range of finishing in the 3-5 spot in the pl. that said, i would be willing to place a sizable wager that we finish no worse than 3rd in the pl this year. anyone want to take me up on that? more importantly, i see us in the pl tournament championship game. we return a lot more experience than most recognize when just looking at the class years and last year's standings (that's all the mags do for low/mid-majors) and i really like the way we played towards the end of last year. mark my words, we will be better than these magazines are predicting. Agree with 100%....All the experience the players picked up last season along with off season to get stronger and better skilled will transfer to wins this season..I just hope they can get off to a good start, and gain some confidence with each game....and lets hope the team can avoid injuries!! Although I believe there will be depth on the team, they need everybody out there!! |
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 13, 2018 20:34:00 GMT -5
these preseason magazine prognostications are usually pretty meaningless. the pl coaches rankings definitely mean more, although i could see them having us somewhere in the same range of finishing in the 3-5 spot in the pl. that said, i would be willing to place a sizable wager that we finish no worse than 3rd in the pl this year. anyone want to take me up on that? more importantly, i see us in the pl tournament championship game. we return a lot more experience than most recognize when just looking at the class years and last year's standings (that's all the mags do for low/mid-majors) and i really like the way we played towards the end of last year. mark my words, we will be better than these magazines are predicting. not sure how the math works but is it possible that we have 3, 4 or 5 finish the season 10-8?... thus the seedings decided by tie breakers? |
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Post by bison137 on Oct 13, 2018 21:40:33 GMT -5
these preseason magazine prognostications are usually pretty meaningless. the pl coaches rankings definitely mean more, although i could see them having us somewhere in the same range of finishing in the 3-5 spot in the pl. that said, i would be willing to place a sizable wager that we finish no worse than 3rd in the pl this year. anyone want to take me up on that? more importantly, i see us in the pl tournament championship game. we return a lot more experience than most recognize when just looking at the class years and last year's standings (that's all the mags do for low/mid-majors) and i really like the way we played towards the end of last year. mark my words, we will be better than these magazines are predicting. not sure how the math works but is it possible that we have 3, 4 or 5 finish the season 10-8?... thus the seedings decided by tie breakers? With the seeming parity, except perhaps for Lehigh, it wouldn't be at all surprising to see three or four teams tie for a spot. In 2016, four teams tied for 4th place for example. |
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Post by sader81 on Oct 17, 2018 10:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2018 10:53:21 GMT -5
Some observatons
1- the Pl coaches think as little of our chances as do the magazines
2- Nate Sestina ??—he averaged 6.5, 3.9 last season. Now of course, those numbers will rise with the 3 top scorers graduated, but 1st team all league ??
3- Jehyve deserves the preseason POY, but Nelson is a good choice, better than Rayman
4–Surprising that Bucknell received more 1st place votes than Lehigh
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 17, 2018 11:00:13 GMT -5
Sestina has put up impressive numbers when he's been able to find playing time for Bucknell. He has great "O-rating" and "D-Ratting" numbers, if you believe in those. I think he could have a big senior year.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 17, 2018 11:07:08 GMT -5
In terms of votes, there's more distance between 5th and 6th (38 votes) than 1st and 5th (36). Most expect a tight race for those top 4 spots.
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Post by lou on Oct 17, 2018 11:08:12 GMT -5
Sestina wasn't on a single all PL team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd) at the end of last season. So what changed over the winter that he is now all PL first team?
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Post by bison137 on Oct 17, 2018 11:20:16 GMT -5
Sestina has put up impressive numbers when he's been able to find playing time for Bucknell. He has great "O-rating" and "D-Ratting" numbers, if you believe in those. I think he could have a big senior year. If Sestina stays healthy and can avoid major foul trouble, I think he will have a very big senior year. First team All-PL is very possible. |
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Post by bison137 on Oct 17, 2018 11:22:23 GMT -5
Sestina wasn't on a single all PL team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd) at the end of last season. So what changed over the winter that he is now all PL first team? He played behind the league's two best players last year, so his playing time was limited. This year he will play 30 mpg if he stays out of foul trouble. His rebound rate last year was better than Foulland, Floyd, Rayman, and just about everyone else, and he hit 64% of his shots. Also a good 3-point shooter and one of the league's strongest players. |
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) and all the rest. When they retired, Tom Tresh was not the next Mickey Mantle, it was time to root for the hilariously incompetent Mets with a cast of heading-downhill players and newbies and an appreciation for Willie Mays, who my father loved when he played with the Giants. Mets magical World Series win was like a Holy Cross team winning a PL championship.
And, yes, I've heard the top 3 hate target before and probably accurate.
