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Post by ge on Aug 6, 2019 10:19:59 GMT -5
Glad to see big Luke Newman commit to HC from my HS alma mater, perennial powerhouse Brother Rice. I may go see him play in his first game August 29th at Wayne State Stadium and will give a report afterwards.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 6, 2019 12:59:18 GMT -5
But winning the PLC that infrequently won’t cut it. Like Coach D in baseball. Not that many teams involved. In his first 8 years Gilmore won a PLC and had 4 2nd place finishes. Of course more PLCs would have been nice, but I think HC fans may be too quick to think he’s not a good coach. I don't know. One could argue that one championship in 14 years - within a conference generally perceived as among the smallest and weakest in the entire FCS - is not particularly good. Beyond that, things were trending in the wrong direction when HC finally pulled the plug on Coach Gilmore. This is not to say he is a bad person or bad coach.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 6, 2019 13:30:41 GMT -5
In his first 8 years Gilmore won a PLC and had 4 2nd place finishes. Of course more PLCs would have been nice, but I think HC fans may be too quick to think he’s not a good coach. I don't know. One could argue that one championship in 14 years - within a conference generally perceived as among the smallest and weakest in the entire FCS - is not particularly good. Beyond that, things were trending in the wrong direction when HC finally pulled the plug on Coach Gilmore. This is not to say he is a bad person or bad coach. The Gilmore era followed 12 years without a PL Championship. The scholarship era at HC certainly didn't go well for Gilmore. But that doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He took a program that had 1 winning season in the previous 11 years before he arrived and was going through an extremely difficult situation with Dan Allen's health, and had the program turned around in his 2nd season. That tells me that he's probably a good coach, and I don't think anything happened to him that caused him to forget how to coach.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 6, 2019 13:56:07 GMT -5
It's funny that here you employ the same arguments that you rejected when we discussed another coach in another sport.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 6, 2019 14:45:19 GMT -5
I don't know. One could argue that one championship in 14 years - within a conference generally perceived as among the smallest and weakest in the entire FCS - is not particularly good. Beyond that, things were trending in the wrong direction when HC finally pulled the plug on Coach Gilmore. This is not to say he is a bad person or bad coach. The Gilmore era followed 12 years without a PL Championship. The scholarship era at HC certainly didn't go well for Gilmore. But that doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He took a program that had 1 winning season in the previous 11 years before he arrived and was going through an extremely difficult situation with Dan Allen's health, and had the program turned around in his 2nd season. That tells me that he's probably a good coach, and I don't think anything happened to him that caused him to forget how to coach. A much more simple explanation for his uneven record than changes in his coaching ability would be the changing of the abilities of those around him, primarily the players but also some of the good assistants early in his HC tenure. As I have posted before, his record in games In which Dom played was really good. His record in games in which Dom did not play was really, really bad.
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Post by crossbball13 on Aug 6, 2019 14:50:22 GMT -5
I don't know. One could argue that one championship in 14 years - within a conference generally perceived as among the smallest and weakest in the entire FCS - is not particularly good. Beyond that, things were trending in the wrong direction when HC finally pulled the plug on Coach Gilmore. This is not to say he is a bad person or bad coach. The Gilmore era followed 12 years without a PL Championship. The scholarship era at HC certainly didn't go well for Gilmore. But that doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He took a program that had 1 winning season in the previous 11 years before he arrived and was going through an extremely difficult situation with Dan Allen's health, and had the program turned around in his 2nd season. That tells me that he's probably a good coach, and I don't think anything happened to him that caused him to forget how to coach. Yes...very similar to baseball and Coach D. Insert cherry picked stats here:
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 6, 2019 15:40:12 GMT -5
Glad to see big Luke Newman commit to HC from my HS alma mater, perennial powerhouse Brother Rice. I may go see him play in his first game August 29th at Wayne State Stadium and will give a report afterwards. Brother Rice has produced quite a few NFL, NBA, and MLB players plus broadcaster Zip Rzeppa
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 6, 2019 16:42:44 GMT -5
It's funny that here you employ the same arguments that you rejected when we discussed another coach in another sport. The situation that Tom Gilmore inherited was nothing like what Sean Kearney, Milan Brown, or Bill Carmody inherited. The relentless attitude and work ethic that Tom Gilmore displayed at HC was nothing like Sean Kearney, Milan Brown, or Bill Carmody. Tom Gilmore actually turned around the HC football program. The same cannot be said about any of those three basketball coaches.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 6, 2019 16:52:42 GMT -5
The Gilmore era followed 12 years without a PL Championship. The scholarship era at HC certainly didn't go well for Gilmore. But that doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He took a program that had 1 winning season in the previous 11 years before he arrived and was going through an extremely difficult situation with Dan Allen's health, and had the program turned around in his 2nd season. That tells me that he's probably a good coach, and I don't think anything happened to him that caused him to forget how to coach. A much more simple explanation for his uneven record than changes in his coaching ability would be the changing of the abilities of those around him, primarily the players but also some of the good assistants early in his HC tenure. As I have posted before, his record in games In which Dom played was really good. His record in games in which Dom did not play was really, really bad. IMO the pains of transitioning to a scholarship team with hard roster limits, along with that transition happening after allowing virtually every other 1-AA school in the northeast to fly by HC & the PL in aid/scholarships played a much bigger role than one single player or some assistant coaches. We now need scholarships to beat out schools like Bryant, Monmouth, and Merrimack for recruits. That is a major shift from where HC was situated 10-12 years ago, and that has nothing to do with Tom Gilmore. Dom Randolph was an outstanding player. But he also had a great collection of weapons on offense and a great offensive line -- both of those position groups were likely at their 20-year peak during the Randolph years. It wasn't just a one-man show, and we have not seen a roster with that type of depth since. Hopefully Chesney will be able to turn that around.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 6, 2019 17:10:54 GMT -5
Let me make sure I’m understanding thus. Do you think Dom had a better receiver corps than we have had in any season since then?
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Post by inhocsigno on Aug 6, 2019 17:39:33 GMT -5
Let me make sure I’m understanding thus. Do you think Dom had a better receiver corps than we have had in any season since then? or before?
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Post by breezy on Aug 7, 2019 18:46:06 GMT -5
VERBAL COMMITMENT #17 --
WR QUINTON GREGORY, 5-10, 160, Bishop Sullivan HS, Virginia Beach, VA. Offer #60 -- page 8 of this thread.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 7, 2019 18:50:42 GMT -5
Crossports posters ask about the HC receivers and up pops a WR commitment. The influence of Crossports is truly impressive. Welcome, Quinton!
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Post by HC92 on Aug 7, 2019 18:51:53 GMT -5
As of when we offered in early May, Gregory’s other offers were: Liberty, Kent State, Southern Miss, Charlotte, Morgan State, Bryant
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Post by hc87 on Aug 7, 2019 20:36:15 GMT -5
As of when we offered in early May, Gregory’s other offers were: Liberty, Kent State, Southern Miss, Charlotte, Morgan State, Bryant What an odd assortment of schools in every way.....g,lad he came to his senses, welcome !
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Post by td128 on Aug 8, 2019 3:25:20 GMT -5
When is the last time the Cross won a recruit away from Southern Mississippi? Would love to have been a bug in the phone when our newest Crusader informed the coaches at Southern Miss, "I'm going to the Cross!!"
Don't think it's a reach to think that Mr. Gregory has speed to burn.
#differencemaker
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Post by alum on Aug 8, 2019 4:24:07 GMT -5
This isn’t the first time we have “beaten” Southern Mississippi. I seem to recall a first round NIT win in 1981.😁
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 8, 2019 7:15:08 GMT -5
When is the last time the Cross won a recruit away from Southern Mississippi? Would love to have been a bug in the phone when our newest Crusader informed the coaches at Southern Miss, "I'm going to the Cross!!" Don't think it's a reach to think that Mr. Gregory has speed to burn.
#differencemaker I thought of Dominic Cozier when I watched QG's highlight reel.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 8, 2019 7:33:10 GMT -5
That is a good role model!
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Post by Xmassader on Aug 8, 2019 8:17:13 GMT -5
His HUDL film shows his him lined up at running back and cornerback as well as WR. Looks like Coach Chesney will have a lot of options on where to use his speed and skill.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 8, 2019 8:40:19 GMT -5
This isn’t the first time we have “beaten” Southern Mississippi. I seem to recall a first round NIT win in 1981.😁 A Dave Mulquin jump shot at the end if I remember correctly??
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Post by alum on Aug 8, 2019 9:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 8, 2019 10:38:13 GMT -5
How 1 year makes a difference....
Last year at this time, HC was sitting on 8 verbal commitments: 9 came on 8/10; 10 on 9/18; 11, 12, 13 and 14 in December; then 7 in second signing period
Now we are on 17 verbals. With by my math - approx. 6 more to come. Kids certainly seem to want the recruiting process over and done with before their Senior season. Only about 45 kids remain unsigned of the 150 they have offered per this board.
So in retrospect Chesney wasn't that far off in saying he thought they might be done by 8/1. Still more work to do with some positions, but the early signing period has certainly changed things.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 8, 2019 11:03:12 GMT -5
And should have beaten them a second time in the early 90's (when they had Clarence Weatherspoon; blew a lead in the last minute).
But not to hijack - this sounds like a great get!
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Post by southernsader on Aug 8, 2019 11:49:40 GMT -5
How 1 year makes a difference.... Last year at this time, HC was sitting on 8 verbal commitments: 9 came on 8/10; 10 on 9/18; 11, 12, 13 and 14 in December; then 7 in second signing period Now we are on 17 verbals. With by my math - approx. 6 more to come. Kids certainly seem to want the recruiting process over and done with before their Senior season. Only about 45 kids remain unsigned of the 150 they have offered per this board. So in retrospect Chesney wasn't that far off in saying he thought they might be done by 8/1. Still more work to do with some positions, but the early signing period has certainly changed things. Of the 6 or whatever remaining, may even be a good thing if they are not all filled in early signing period - wouldn't hurt to have a few spots open for "late risers" who impress in their high school senior seasons.
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