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Post by rgs318 on Oct 2, 2018 9:54:10 GMT -5
I know some of us follow high school sports. Massey now has a rating system for high school football teams. You can look at a national list or by state (for every state). There is also a combined ranking for high school football.
You might want to check it out at:
Masseyratings.com
They currently have St Joseph (Montvale) as #1 in NJ with Bergen Catholic at #2. Nationally, St Joe's is #70.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2018 10:07:19 GMT -5
another step in the professionalism of high school sports--causing massive transferring(worse in basketball) involvement with outside groups, etc leading to the cesspool of major college sports
in addition it is a futile task to compare so many teams from this size of this country with only 8-12 games and few pitting schools against out of state teams
meaningless
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 2, 2018 11:02:57 GMT -5
Can I assume you won't be following it regularly?   |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
We used to get regular talent from some of them (the two McGoverns for example) but for a few years we did not get many. It is also a quick way to see how the teams of some of our recruits are doing. The rank itself does not mean much, nor does the match-up comparison. But they can be entertaining. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 3, 2018 14:08:45 GMT -5
Lots of change in north Jersey HS football the last few years with super conferences and the elimination of a lot of the public vs. parochial football games.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 14:51:28 GMT -5
If public schools had their way there would be NO public/parochial football games. It is a sad situation in that regard. Of course, that is only when they might lose. Few public schools seemed to have a problem with St Mary's in Rutherford or Queen of Peace of North Arlington (now defunct).
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Post by timholycross on Oct 5, 2018 8:05:05 GMT -5
I don't see how anything mathematical can work when, as someone mentioned, there are so many high schools and so few inter-state games.
And forget about someone actually OBSERVING all these teams like someone can do in college football.
A "trade stimulant" only.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 5, 2018 9:19:00 GMT -5
I am not sure that any rating service "observes" over 100 college games each week. If you want to see some of the better high school games (such as NJ's St Joseph (Montvale)vs Bergen Catholic this week), they are streamed online just like the big boys.
The ratings for MASS show:
#1 Everett (4-0) Div 1
#2 Xaverian Bros (3-1) Div 1
#3 St John's-Danvers (3-1) Div 1
#4 North Andover (4-0) Div 2
#5 Mansfield (3-1) Div 2
In NEW JERSEY the top teams are:
#1 St Joseph (Mont) 4-1
#2 Bergen Catholic (4-1)
#3 DePaul (4-1)
#4 St Peters (Jersey City) (3-2)
#5 Don Bosco (3-2)
#6 Ramapo (5-0)
The top 5 are all in the same league.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 5, 2018 9:29:59 GMT -5
If public schools had their way there would be NO public/parochial football games. It is a sad situation in that regard. Of course, that is only when they might lose. Few public schools seemed to have a problem with St Mary's in Rutherford or Queen of Peace of North Arlington (now defunct). I think the main issue revolves around the fact that the public schools as a group didn't feel that the parochials were playing by the same rules. The argument was the parochials have essentially recruited athletes whereas public schools can do no such thing, so you have inherent inequalities in skill levels and it can make for some ugly games. It's been a huge discussion for 20-plus years, as you know. But also not all parochial schools are created equally, so BC or Bosco or even Pope John can attract athletes that St. M's or QofP could not. In Sparta, the loss of the Pope John/Sparta game is still lamented. On an early October Saturday afternoon when both teams were strong (which was common), you could get 3-4000 at either field pretty easily. Made for an awesome atmosphere. |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 5, 2018 11:21:09 GMT -5
I have been on both side of that situation as an AD and a coach. And athletes who are not academic "stars" can play at public schools when they might not be eligible at many parochial/private schools. Much of the "recruiting" to public schools came as an unintended consequence of discrimination by public schools in scheduling. The out of state games started because some parochial schools could not get in-state games brought them greater attention. The law suit that came about resulted in mixed leagues, but the public schools finally found a way to end that by isolating parochial/private schools in separate divisions.
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