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Post by hc87 on Oct 6, 2018 15:36:45 GMT -5
Not firing Gilmore 4 or 5 years ago is a big reason where we are right now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 15:39:38 GMT -5
Not firing Gilmore 4 or 5 years ago is a big reason where we are right now. Firing him half way through the season last year for this, is comical.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 6, 2018 15:41:01 GMT -5
With the caveat that I only listened today, my growing sense is that the game plan for the offense doesn't try and attack a particular opponent defensive weaknesses that were seen on film. Instead, the offense appears as little more than another run through the generic playbook, week after week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 15:43:07 GMT -5
With the caveat that I only listened today, my growing sense is that the game plan for the offense doesn't try and attack a particular opponent defensive weaknesses that were seen on film. Instead, the offense appears as little more than another run through the generic playbook, week after week. Bingo. No game planning, no in game adjustments. What else do coaches do?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 6, 2018 15:53:34 GMT -5
UNH will probably be the 2nd or 3rd best team we play this year with Knight at QB.
We could have one of the OC's in the country and we'd still struggle to score...particularly against the stronger teams we play.
I'm not absolving Murphy (or Chesney) but we have been "out talented" overall, sometimes significantly so, in every game this season save for Bucknell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 16:00:50 GMT -5
UNH will probably be the 2nd or 3rd best team we play this year with Knight at QB. We could have one of the OC's in the country and we'd still struggle to score...particularly against the stronger teams we play. I'm not absolving Murphy (or Chesney) but we have been "out talented" overall, sometimes significantly so, in every game this season save for Bucknell. Then blame that on Pine for not hiring a coach fast enough to sign better players. I don’t buy the “talent” argument. How many touches did Bell have today? Why are we playing Wade for the entire game? It’s absolute non sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 16:04:38 GMT -5
I am not trying to be harsh, but Wade wouldn’t have started on JV at my high school. There has to be other options.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 16:25:44 GMT -5
Chesney’s post game press conference was comical. “They tried hard”? What is the definition of not trying? I can’t stand people that talk in generic, cliche statements that make absolutely no sense. Tell it how it is and be honest with yourself and your team. It’s the only way you progress.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 6, 2018 16:30:05 GMT -5
UNH will probably be the 2nd or 3rd best team we play this year with Knight at QB. We could have one of the OC's in the country and we'd still struggle to score...particularly against the stronger teams we play. I'm not absolving Murphy (or Chesney) but we have been "out talented" overall, sometimes significantly so, in every game this season save for Bucknell. Then blame that on Pine for not hiring a coach fast enough to sign better players. I don’t buy the “talent” argument. How many touches did Bell have today? Why are we playing Wade for the entire game? It’s absolute non sense. When I said Gilmore should have been fired 4 or 5 years ago....the blame is implicitly on NP...though I think his hands were tied due to our basketball coaching mess at the time. We have OK talent, pretty good in some spots...but overall it doesn't compare to a UNH or Dartmouth this year. Gilmore was a not a good recruiter in the scholarship-era....anecdotally I've heard he turned off a lot of recruits, many of his coaches hated coaching under him etc etc. His regime had been trending down after the Randolph years. A change was needed...we just waited too long. What's done is done...this is going to be a messy rebuild.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 6, 2018 16:47:23 GMT -5
UNH will probably be the 2nd or 3rd best team we play this year with Knight at QB. We could have one of the OC's in the country and we'd still struggle to score...particularly against the stronger teams we play. I'm not absolving Murphy (or Chesney) but we have been "out talented" overall, sometimes significantly so, in every game this season save for Bucknell. Then blame that on Pine for not hiring a coach fast enough to sign better players. I don’t buy the “talent” argument. How many touches did Bell have today? Why are we playing Wade for the entire game? It’s non sense. Amen. Pine’s Puppets just totally excused him for taking a networking tour around the country rather than having Chesney lined up as soon as Assumption’s season ended, which would have allowed for two weeks of recruiting during the early signing period.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 6, 2018 16:56:42 GMT -5
Neither a Pine Puppet nor a Chesney Compadre...just looking at this as objectively as I can.
We have played a fairly brutal schedule so far, with a lot of guys playing either more than they did last year or playing for the first time.....replacing a fairly Sr laden team. They are being coached by many guys who have nevah coached at the D1 level before.
I'm not happy with the results either but to expect much different so far this year is a stretch imo.
If we don't win another game this season....then I'll start to worry where this regime is headed.
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Post by purplepig on Oct 6, 2018 17:12:26 GMT -5
I would not take it too hard. FCS football is a diversion for pleasant fall Saturday afternoons. Basketball is where it has to get serious.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 6, 2018 17:12:37 GMT -5
We definitely don’t have the best talent in our league but I think we have at least 2 wins right now with Pince at the OC helm and I’d suggest we would finish with at least 6 wins this season. I think we are looking at. 2-9 season right now.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 6, 2018 17:32:31 GMT -5
Princeton 66, Lehigh 7
#PLnotgoodatfootball
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 6, 2018 17:34:19 GMT -5
Our receivers are more than adequate. Good to see some passes to Mountain but Wade seems to wait a millisecond too long before throwing to an open receiver and gives his intentions away and defenders close the gap, knock down the pass or even get a pick. The announcers kept saying that Dorsey didn't get any passes and had torched the Wildcats last year, so they were probably keying on him.
You can't blame the defense when the offense is playing so poorly giving up field position and doing just too many 3 and outs.
I do applaud that we've decided to take a knee on kickoffs so that we started more frequently at the 25 instead of at the 15 or 20 yard line.
I don't buy that the teams we've lost to, save BC and probably Dartmouth, have appreciably better talent. We dug too big a hole against Colgate. No way Bucknell has more talent. UNH more talent, especially getting their QB back today of all days, but they are not 28 points better and they should not have shut us out if we played to potential.
I also don't understand not giving Oliver more playing time. Would like to see what Bruno could do as well. Someone suggested a 2 back offense and would love to see Cozier and Oliver in the backfield at the same time.
Thought I recall Chesney saying that the game plan and strategy would all depend on the particular talents of the players. Not sure I am seeing that.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 6, 2018 18:07:42 GMT -5
Our receivers are more than adequate. Good to see some passes to Mountain but Wade seems to wait a millisecond too long before throwing to an open receiver and gives his intentions away and defenders close the gap, knock down the pass or even get a pick. The announcers kept saying that Dorsey didn't get any passes and had torched the Wildcats last year, so they were probably keying on him. You can't blame the defense when the offense is playing so poorly giving up field position and doing just too many 3 and outs. I do applaud that we've decided to take a knee on kickoffs so that we started more frequently at the 25 instead of at the 15 or 20 yard line. I don't buy that the teams we've lost to, save BC and probably Dartmouth, have appreciably better talent. We dug too big a hole against Colgate. No way Bucknell has more talent. UNH more talent, especially getting their QB back today of all days, but they are not 28 points better and they should not have shut us out if we played to potential. I also don't understand not giving Oliver more playing time. Would like to see what Bruno could do as well. Someone suggested a 2 back offense and would love to see Cozier and Oliver in the backfield at the same time. Thought I recall Chesney saying that the game plan and strategy would all depend on the particular talents of the players. Not sure I am seeing that. To echo '87, perhaps you are seeing what comes out of the talent they have. I can't bitch very much about the plays they called today (unlike other games so far, where I think the criticism had merit), just the results. And actually UNH was 35 points better than us today....just didn't want to rub it in at the end.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 6, 2018 18:59:42 GMT -5
Princeton 66 Lehigh 7 The Patriot League stinks. We have no talent, we are playing like a JV team. Don't blame the coaches, the league can't get top rated athletes. We should be able to stay out of the cellar most years because of Georgetown. Any predictions for next year scores against Syracuse & Navy?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 6, 2018 19:37:56 GMT -5
I don't know enough about these rating systems but presumably they know something and it has been reported here many times that, especially the freshmen class, has a number of 2* and 3* rated recruits. Heck, even Degenhardt had been rated 3*. Are we getting the players that Alabama, Ohio State, etc. get? Of course not. But we are beating out some D-IA schools now and Alabama isn't on our schedule. We are on occasion beating out HYP, like with Peter Oliver.
No, we aren't getting 4* and 5* recruits but I don't think many D-IAA schools are getting those either, at least not in the northeast.
We'll get better results on the playing field soon. Maybe not this year, but we'll get there soon.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 6, 2018 19:54:04 GMT -5
OK, 87, I get it. You didn't like Gilmore. Or at least thought he was past his prime.
As I posted after the Dartmouth game, their entire offensive and defensive lines & linebackers are all seniors. Talent is certainly a factor but so is experience. They may have had some slight edge on the former but had a definite advantage in the latter. We've got a pretty young team and that means we'll have more downs than ups.
As for Gilmore's ability to recruit, we've got some posters here who either were recruited or played for Gilmore. My non-player experience with Gilmore was when he spoke, I never heard anyone, and I mean anyone - alum, administrator, faculty or student, who pitched what it meant to come to and play for Holy Cross and get a great education and be part of an outstanding alumni network. I have little doubt there were times when he was probably looked at as an SOB by some/all of his players and assistants. Why did those players come and play for him? Why didn't they quit the team? Or, if they did, why did they quit?
Any former football players care to weigh in?
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 6, 2018 20:05:17 GMT -5
Wade stinks. He is a deer in the headlights. He looks at the one receiver and when he doesn't throw it, he gets sacked. UNH is a better team, but the play calling continues to be terrible. No good receiver routes to get guys open. Put in the back up quarterback and fire the OC, he is awful. Middle school teams have better play books. Three lousy gameplans in a row. 1-5 You are what your record says you are and that is not good. Going to take a lot to change in one year. But on to Harvard.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 6, 2018 20:11:03 GMT -5
mm, I have not and am not now pushing for the OC to be fired but that is not a "non-starter" or trivializing things. If you can fire a head coach in mid-season, that sets a precedent. I would not recommend it for an assortment of reasons. But I would suggest that the OC and head coach and others put their heads together to seek ways to be more creative with the play calls. There appeared to be a little more variety today than in the first few games. As I posted, it was good to see some passes going to the TE. I do think that Degenhardt or Nagle need to get a chance to show what they can do at QB. When we got down 28-0 today, one of those guys should have been brought in as the game was essentially over. Trying not to harp or blame everything on Wade but he 1. hesitates a millisecond too long to make decisions and 2. telegraphs his passes and 3. as part of #1 , isn't able to find his back-up receivers. He is a senior and was a starter in the past. He should have the experience to do these things better and quicker. And, no, he is not a high school JV QB. He has a very decent arm and if he decides he wants/has to run, if he makes the decision quickly, he can make some good gains.
Oliver brings a different dimension to the running game. Not as quick as Cozier (obviously) but he has the ability to break tackles and gain grit yards that Alexander doesn't seem to be able to do. Pre-season, we heard lots of good things about Bruno. Was that all hype? I don't know.
As I said before when others have posted no OC could do better, then that trivializes the position.
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Post by cmo on Oct 6, 2018 20:54:19 GMT -5
If we don’t use a new QB, it is highly concerned that we have so little faith in our bullpen. Who will lead the team next year and into the future? Butash. Day 1.
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Post by gks on Oct 6, 2018 20:59:48 GMT -5
Butash would start vs. Harvard if he could.
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 6, 2018 21:17:55 GMT -5
Somebody give me a reason to go to the Harvard game? How does Holy Cross write the ship. How do they find the offense they had in the 4th quarter against Yale?
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 6, 2018 21:25:17 GMT -5
Guys - let me say this. I’ve been in a Connor Degenhardt shoes. He is basically wondering - what the $&@@ do I have to do to get a shot. We are now 1-5. So let’s continue to do what we are doing, yet expect different results - the definition of insanity. Let’s call a spade a spade - Wade and Clifford can’t play at this level. We have no idea if Degenhardt can play. Give the kid a chance. Can it be worse? See what the future holds.
Decision making on this topic sucks right now. That’s fact not opinion.
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