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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 15, 2019 8:37:52 GMT -5
I thought Brown had an eye for talent and was a good recruiter. Didn't get the most out of that talent as a coach.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 15, 2019 8:40:17 GMT -5
Malcolm Miller comes to mind. Malachi Alexander. Robert Champion. In fact, wasn’t Jehyve Floyd a Milan recruit?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 15, 2019 8:41:48 GMT -5
Malcolm Miller comes to mind. Malachi Alexander. Robert Champion. In fact, wasn’t Jehyve Floyd a Milan recruit? Floyd was, as was Eric Green . . . as was the roster in March 2016.
At the risk of lighting things up here . . . The three Brown recruits who left or de-committed when Carmody was hired could all very well be all-league selections this season.
I don't blame Carmody at all for their decisions to go elsewhere - just a natural consequence of what happens when coaches change. Simply offering as support for the idea that Brown - his numerous coaching faults notwithstanding - was a solid recruiter.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 15, 2019 8:49:34 GMT -5
Nah, we don't miss him. Except if Hahn stayed, we'd still miss him this year as he would have graduated last year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2019 9:20:08 GMT -5
Mitch can make the 1,000 point club if he keeps up current production for the balance of the season and Summit League tournament. He had a rough year in 17-18 and it's good to see he found his shooting range again
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2019 9:27:55 GMT -5
Why? Affinity for folks who bail out on Holy Cross?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2019 9:39:22 GMT -5
Why? Affinity for folks who ban out on Holy Cross? He made one really bad decision but seemed like a decent person--giving him the benefit of the doubt
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2019 9:43:01 GMT -5
I do. I am glad he has done well. But, why must we continually hear about anything positive he does - and never hear about problems or shortcomings?
I feel we sometimes show much more respect for those who chose not to be part of HC sports than we do for those who are loyal and working hard for Holy Cross.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 15, 2019 9:46:11 GMT -5
I do. I am glad he has done well. But, why must we continually hear about anything positive he does - and never hear about problems or shortcomings? I feel we sometimes show much more respect for those who chose not to be part of HC sports than we do for those who are loyal and working hard for Holy Cross. What a bizarre post.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 15, 2019 9:52:38 GMT -5
Malcolm Miller comes to mind. Malachi Alexander. Robert Champion. In fact, wasn’t Jehyve Floyd a Milan recruit? Floyd was, as was Eric Green . . . as was the roster in March 2016.
At the risk of lighting things up here . . . The three Brown recruits who left or de-committed when Carmody was hired could all very well be all-league selections this season.
I don't blame Carmody at all for their decisions to go elsewhere - just a natural consequence of what happens when coaches change. Simply offering as support for the idea that Brown - his numerous coaching faults notwithstanding - was a solid recruiter.
Those three guys would have likely qualified as the top 3 "recruits" for Carmody (along with Floyd if you want to count him in the same bucket). Conference PPG this year: Koestecka: 22.8 Proctor: 17.3 Hahn: 17.0 (along with 7.7 RPG)
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 15, 2019 10:01:28 GMT -5
At the risk of cleaning the snow off my driveway for the 5th time (a Syracuse phenomena - you had to be there): 1. Mitch Hahn was an excellent player, with the right coaching, could have been even better 2. Mitch Hahn was leaving Holy Cross whether Milan Brown stayed or not (source: my niece who knew him) - he was homesick and never could fit in socially with his teammates (source: parent of a player). He is a country boy from flyover country. 3. The team misses his talent (8485, yes, he would have been gone this year anyway). He could have been a star under Carmody and his system. 4. With the exceptions of JF and AB, Milan brought in more "athletic" players than Carmody does and mostly more than RW. That, however, does not necessarily translate into winning basketball. Just an observation because there historically been weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on Crossports about how our opponents are always much more athletic than our players. 5. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rooting for a former Crusader especially knowing there were valid reasons for him leaving before graduating. OK, I've given you enough ammunition, discuss . . . .
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 15, 2019 10:37:55 GMT -5
4. With the exceptions of JF and AB, Milan brought in more "athletic" players than Carmody does and mostly more than RW. That, however, does not necessarily translate into winning basketball. Just an observation because there historically been weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on Crossports about how our opponents are always much more athletic than our players. OK, I've given you enough ammunition, discuss . . . . Milan certainly seemed to be more focused on bringing in athletic players, but he also recruited skilled guys like Koestecka, Rob Champion, and Cullen Hamilton who were not the best athletes. (Koestecka and Champion would both probably be the best wings on Carmody's current roster)He wasn't necessarily all that successful at hitting on the scholarships, but at least Milan also recognized the importance of bringing in guys who could rebound and play in the paint, bringing in Malachi Alexander, Taylor Abt, Chris Morgan, Isaiah Baker, and (to a lesser extent) Matt Husek. While most of those guys didn't pan out, at least he didn't take the Carmody approach of a roster with 12 guys who want to stand around the perimeter and shoot 3's (as will be the case next year).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 15, 2019 10:57:17 GMT -5
4. With the exceptions of JF and AB, Milan brought in more "athletic" players than Carmody does and mostly more than RW. That, however, does not necessarily translate into winning basketball. Just an observation because there historically been weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on Crossports about how our opponents are always much more athletic than our players. OK, I've given you enough ammunition, discuss . . . . While most of those guys didn't pan out, at least he didn't take the Carmody approach of a roster with 12 guys who want to stand around the perimeter and shoot 3's (as will be the case next year). And to that point, did you know that from an eFG% perspective, this Holy Cross team is virtually the best shooting team Carmody has coached at either HC or Northwestern? In 2011-12, Northwestern was at 53.6% eFG%. The 53.2% that HC is shooting this year is probably our best mark in probably the past 30 years. Carmody's mantra is "make shots." If this is one of his best shooting teams he has ever coached, I fail to see how things are going to get much better than this.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 15, 2019 11:06:56 GMT -5
The only Holy Cross team in the three-point era that has shot better than this year's edition was the 87-88 squad (53.9% EFG). That club finished 14-15, by the way - opponents shot 55.4%.
That was the year Glen Tropf shot 63% from three.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2019 12:15:45 GMT -5
The only Holy Cross team in the three-point era that has shot better than this year's edition was the 87-88 squad (53.9% EFG). That club finished 14-15, by the way - opponents shot 55.4%.
That was the year Glen Tropf shot 63% from three.
And those numbers included a 127-104 loss to The Hank and Bo Show, aka Loyola Marymount. I would have given anything to have seen that game.
As for Mitch, taking down the Dauminator no small feat!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 15, 2019 12:20:10 GMT -5
At the risk of cleaning the snow off my driveway for the 5th time (a Syracuse phenomena - you had to be there): 1. Mitch Hahn was an excellent player, with the right coaching, could have been even better 2. Mitch Hahn was leaving Holy Cross whether Milan Brown stayed or not (source: my niece who knew him) - he was homesick and never could fit in socially with his teammates (source: parent of a player). He is a country boy from flyover country. 3. The team misses his talent (8485, yes, he would have been gone this year anyway). He could have been a star under Carmody and his system. 4. With the exceptions of JF and AB, Milan brought in more "athletic" players than Carmody does and mostly more than RW. That, however, does not necessarily translate into winning basketball. Just an observation because there historically been weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on Crossports about how our opponents are always much more athletic than our players. 5. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rooting for a former Crusader especially knowing there were valid reasons for him leaving before graduating. OK, I've given you enough ammunition, discuss . . . . "Excellent"? Wut?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 15, 2019 12:46:38 GMT -5
Does not qualify as discussion IMHO.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2019 14:28:35 GMT -5
I do. I am glad he has done well. But, why must we continually hear about anything positive he does - and never hear about problems or shortcomings? I feel we sometimes show much more respect for those who chose not to be part of HC sports than we do for those who are loyal and working hard for Holy Cross. What a bizarre post. If you need an explanation, just let me know. I'll be glad to help.
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Post by hcnation on Feb 15, 2019 16:06:25 GMT -5
Why? Affinity for folks who ban out on Holy Cross? Sockalexis story at Holy Cross Why did you say: Nice to see you take the advice and give this its own thread. Well done Did he not leave for Notre Dame ?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2019 16:26:47 GMT -5
Why? Affinity for folks who ban out on Holy Cross? Sockalexis story at Holy Cross Why did you say: Nice to see you take the advice and give this its own thread. Well done Did he not leave for Notre Dame ? Not in this lifetime. Try to keep things in the same century. If you have to go back that far, it does sort of make a statement, does it not? I don't see people posting that we would be better with him on the team (being dead and all that). It is somewhat the same for Hahn, since he could not play at HC aly longer had he stayed - even with the edge of actually being alive.
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Post by hcnation on Feb 15, 2019 16:28:10 GMT -5
I leave no ill will for Kevin Stacom leaving as there was talk about the Yankee conference. I leave no ill will for Bobby Kelly leaving as his ankle injury would've kept him out for a year anyways. I leave no ill will for Timothy Leary leaving, but I'm still ticked off that George Connor left for Notre Dame.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2019 16:40:07 GMT -5
I leave no ill will for Kevin Stacom leaving as there was talk about the Yankee conference. I leave no ill will for Bobby Kelly leaving as his ankle injury would've kept him out for a year anyways. I leave no ill will for Timothy Leary leaving, but I'm still ticked off that George Connor left for Notre Dame. Funny you mention Stacom. I was thinking of him today while I was mall walking. Coming out of high school, he wasn't that highly recruited. Gene Doyle and Jim Scnurr both were more highly regarded than their fellow New Yorker. Things turned out quite well for him. Not sure we would be saying that had he remained at HC. He certainly wouldn't have gotten the exposure he did at PC with Ernie D and Marvin B.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 17, 2019 14:53:04 GMT -5
Watching Houston-Tulane. Color guy former HC pg recruit Mike O'Donnell. Spoke of his HC recruiting visit, noting how cold it was in Worcester. Said "I told Coach Willard I couldn't feel my fingers!". Guess we never had a chance with him!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 17, 2019 15:56:43 GMT -5
Geez, I hope Willard at least explained to the kid that we play our basketball games indoors up north. Similar story for your entertainment. Many decades ago, we sponsored and brought my sister-in-law from Peru ( legally - and has been a U.S. citizen for decades, so don't even try to make this political . . . . though I guess it is "chain migration" since my wife is from there). Lima has the weather that is very much like San Diego. However, she arrived in the dead of winter . . . . in Syracuse. She had a layover at JFK so my sister met her there and gave her one of her overcoats, hats, gloves, scarfs, etc. At the time, she spoke no English but I was able to pick her up without too much problem at the airport, other than her flight was re-routed to Rochester as a result of the usual Syracuse blizzard and arrive at Hancock by bus from Rochester. So, we get home and she's chatting with my wife and I finally get a chance to ask my wife, "what was she saying?" She said that the house was so warm and comfortable! Apparently she thought that because it was well below freezing outside that it would be similarly cold inside. Took her a little longer to realize that the streets were also not paved with gold.
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Post by cmo on Feb 17, 2019 19:23:30 GMT -5
Really impressive 2nd half for SJ vs Nova
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