letsgohc
Climbing Mt. St. James
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Post by letsgohc on Jan 23, 2019 20:56:24 GMT -5
FIRE HIM TODAY. Let him find his own ride back. Horrible coach.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 24, 2019 3:44:19 GMT -5
I second the motion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring the sign on Saturday FIRE BILL CARMODY We could probably start a chant. Bill, it was real and it was nice, but don't let anybody tell you it was real nice! Not a good idea. First, security is bound to take it away from you. Second, his family goes to the games, and are decent people.Not appropriate. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2019 7:41:17 GMT -5
I am not going to jump on the fire Carmody bandwagon.
I AM very unhappy with the way the team is playing and the results after such a promising start. While unlike others I am not optimistic about the likelihood things will get better unless and until Connor returns, we cannot and should not expect CWC being terminated especially with an interim AD in place.
My hope though is that if we don’t see a quick turnaround to salvage this season that Bill will see fit to retire. I doubt that with his lengthy coaching career that he hasn’t done a good job to secure his family’s future.
In any case, no turnaround, no contract extension.
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Post by crossbball13 on Jan 24, 2019 7:47:58 GMT -5
Of course Carmody shouldn’t get a contract extension- he’s done nothing to deserve one. But Berard got one and he’s done arguably less to deserve one.
Holy Cross, where just showing up to work is “good enough”.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 24, 2019 8:07:57 GMT -5
I am not going to jump on the fire Carmody bandwagon. I AM very unhappy with the way the team is playing and the results after such a promising start. While unlike others I am not optimistic about the likelihood things will get better unless and until Connor returns, we cannot and should not expect CWC being terminated especially with an interim AD in place. My hope though is that if we don’t see a quick turnaround to salvage this season that Bill will see fit to retire. I doubt that with his lengthy coaching career that he hasn’t done a good job to secure his family’s future. In any case, no turnaround, no contract extension. I agree regarding retirement, because you can’t allow a 67-68 year old coach who doesn’t like (and isn’t good at) recruiting to enter the final year of his contract without an extension. It’s time to poop or get off the pot, and our fearless leader Fr B should be prepared to move on from Carmody at the end of this year if the play of this team isn’t significantly improved. Kicking the can down the road with both lame duck Brendan Sullivan and lame duck Bill Carmody would be a total disaster. |
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Post by joe on Jan 24, 2019 9:54:01 GMT -5
Lack of consistent success against lackluster PL opponents and what seems to be an overall down-trend in performance and enthusiasm level this season portend poorly for any head coach this far into a contract. Additional long-term concerns, including an imbalanced roster, short bench, and lack of a sufficient replacement of JF, all serve to compound the issue. Adding even more complexity right now is the absence of an athletic director to oversee and advise.
Frankly, it is becoming very, very hard to follow HC sports in 2019. For what it's worth, last night my family watched the Terry Rozier show as the Celtics clobbered the Cavs, and it was most entertaining. Judging by the in-game thread, this seems to have been a good idea for my blood pressure. Probably will not make the trip Saturday as previously planned, if we can score tickets to the Celts/Warriors tilt. Oh well.
Still time to turn the ship around I suppose, although even the most reasonable best case scenario for this season would still be disappointing. Spring camp starts soon.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 24, 2019 12:38:54 GMT -5
I don't care who is the coach, kids don't want to play the Princeton offense, the league is a bad match for us who always were known as a basketball school and nobody
wants the long bus rides to Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette and Colgate in the middle of the winter. That's why it is tough to recruit at HC. Also, no school spirit, watch games
on TV and other schools students are in attendance at their games.
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Post by gks on Jan 24, 2019 12:41:17 GMT -5
I don't care who is the coach, kids don't want to play the Princeton offense, the league is a bad match for us who always were known as a basketball school and nobody wants the long bus rides to Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette and Colgate in the middle of the winter. That's why it is tough to recruit at HC. Also, no school spirit, watch games on TV and other schools students are in attendance at their games. It starts at the top....if they don't care students won't either. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 24, 2019 12:48:05 GMT -5
gks - I don't think the bus rides are the issue. Bucknell manages to recruit just fine despite long bus rides to Boston, Worcester, Hamilton and West Point.
You may be onto something with the P.O. and the culture of being a basketball school has been entirely sucked away. I attended HC when there was an energy surrounding the program even when we were mediocre my sophomore, junior and senior years on campus. The "juice" is totally gone. Our students are no more into the program than those at Bryant, UNH, Dartmouth, Central Connecticut and Sacred Heart.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 24, 2019 13:43:58 GMT -5
I think a lot of the "juice" might be getting sucked into smartphones. Checking out crowd shots from even 10 years ago with games from now are like night and day. In general, imho students were so much more engaged in the games then they are now.
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Post by gks on Jan 24, 2019 13:49:37 GMT -5
gks - I don't think the bus rides are the issue. Bucknell manages to recruit just fine despite long bus rides to Boston, Worcester, Hamilton and West Point. You may be onto something with the P.O. and the culture of being a basketball school has been entirely sucked away. I attended HC when there was an energy surrounding the program even when we were mediocre my sophomore, junior and senior years on campus. The "juice" is totally gone. Our students are no more into the program than those at Bryant, UNH, Dartmouth, Central Connecticut and Sacred Heart. #1 problem is that the program has been sub par for too many years exception being the PL title run a few years ago. Had a real chance to build off of that but sank right back to oblivion with another bad year. Gotta win. |
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Post by hc87 on Jan 24, 2019 13:56:54 GMT -5
We are a "football school" now....almost by default. Basketball and hockey are/have been average to poor for mostly a decade...no other sport (lax, baseball, soccer et. al.) will garner big alumni/fan support.
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Post by joe on Jan 24, 2019 14:28:46 GMT -5
New AD better take his vitamins.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 24, 2019 14:33:21 GMT -5
I think a lot of the "juice" might be getting sucked into smartphones. Checking out crowd shots from even 10 years ago with games from now are like night and day. In general, imho students were so much more engaged in the games then they are now. I’ll take 600 students in the Hart buried in their phones every game over what we have now which is basically the band and a handful of football players in the student section. I remember when BOTH bleacher sections behind the bakets would fill up with students, forcing some to sit up in the rafters — wasn’t that long ago, and we weren’t even that good!! When I was in school, I would day trip to meet up with friends on campus during holiday breaks to catch games and a quick dinner after at 99 or Brew City — must has changed. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 24, 2019 18:18:30 GMT -5
Its a shame you don't get any fans at these games. But lets be honest about the home schedule and the fact that it doesn't necessarily give anybody a chance to go watch somebody that is big time. I get the whole you like basketball and your school and you want to support them. But do you think the Butler or Xavier students would go to the games if they were not in the Big East or on National TV. I personally don't think they would.
Chesney talked about getting more students at the football games by going to their events on campus.
I saw the basketball team at a lot of the football games so maybe they can repay some of the support.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 24, 2019 20:18:08 GMT -5
Keep the coach and get rid of the people in admissions...Get a broader pool of athletes who can compete at a higher level...That small pool of recruit-able students makes getting those prime time players sooo much tougher...
I'd be curious to see how many players from other PL teams could get in to HC.....
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Post by possum on Jan 24, 2019 20:29:17 GMT -5
Obviously I don't know the answer for sure but I would think the vast majority of PL players would get into HC, don't think that's a valid excuse as to why we are where we are.
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Post by hopjim on Jan 24, 2019 20:32:56 GMT -5
gks - I don't think the bus rides are the issue. Bucknell manages to recruit just fine despite long bus rides to Boston, Worcester, Hamilton and West Point. You may be onto something with the P.O. and the culture of being a basketball school has been entirely sucked away. I attended HC when there was an energy surrounding the program even when we were mediocre my sophomore, junior and senior years on campus. The "juice" is totally gone. Our students are no more into the program than those at Bryant, UNH, Dartmouth, Central Connecticut and Sacred Heart. #1 problem is that the program has been sub par for too many years exception being the PL title run a few years ago. Had a real chance to build off of that but sank right back to oblivion with another bad year. Gotta win. "Program has been sub par..." nets it out. "Fire the coach, join another league, etc." all sound simple and good until you analyze the competition, why they are doing well and why the PROGRAM is failing. Today, there are really no assets to build on - average/poor facilities, average to poor university support, poor student support, mixed reviews on coach who will likely retire soon, etc. The entire program needs a refresh-there are unlikely to be one or two silver bullets that by themselves will work. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 24, 2019 20:34:56 GMT -5
Keep the coach and get rid of the people in admissions Let's not be hasty. Maybe somebody in admissions know how to coach defense. |
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Post by southernsader on Jan 24, 2019 20:36:26 GMT -5
New AD better take his vitamins. or her |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2019 20:38:22 GMT -5
Establish the root cause and then take action
Blame and fingerpointing doesn’t solve the base problem
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 24, 2019 20:39:38 GMT -5
Lack of consistent success against lackluster PL opponents and what seems to be an overall down-trend in performance and enthusiasm level this season portend poorly for any head coach this far into a contract. Additional long-term concerns, including an imbalanced roster, short bench, and lack of a sufficient replacement of JF, all serve to compound the issue. Adding even more complexity right now is the absence of an athletic director to oversee and advise. Frankly, it is becoming very, very hard to follow HC sports in 2019. For what it's worth, last night my family watched the Terry Rozier show as the Celtics clobbered the Cavs, and it was most entertaining. Judging by the in-game thread, this seems to have been a good idea for my blood pressure. Probably will not make the trip Saturday as previously planned, if we can score tickets to the Celts/Warriors tilt. Oh well. Still time to turn the ship around I suppose, although even the most reasonable best case scenario for this season would still be disappointing. Spring camp starts soon. Dude, I feel your pain. What a fiasco! Basketball badly...badly...needs a charismatic young coach who can attract real talent to Worcester. WHAT WE NEED MOST OF ALL IS SUPERIOR ATHLETES. Thanks to Fr. Brooks, the PL may well turn out to be an insuperable obstacle to achievement of that goal. We shall see. But, Goddammit, we've got to try! |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2019 20:45:55 GMT -5
Keep the coach and get rid of the people in admissions...Get a broader pool of athletes who can compete at a higher level...That small pool of recruit-able students makes getting those prime time players sooo much tougher... I'd be curious to see how many players from other PL teams could get in to HC..... The great majority could get into HC. And the great majority of HC players could get into other PL schools. Every PL school, except maybe Lehigh, occasionally has its issues with admissions. There is nothing unique about the HC situation. |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2019 20:52:35 GMT -5
We are suffering from woe is me syndrome-nobody likes losing so we take our ball and go home and point fingers
Coaches probably are failing in their role, but they do know the game and at some point we are going to need to trust that people can do their job-we can’t change every five minutes when we don’t get the desired outcome. We are all disappointed, frustrated and more, but patience is required until this sophomore class finishes
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Post by possum on Jan 24, 2019 21:00:26 GMT -5
EFG if this season doesn't turn around I don't know how you can advocate for giving Carmody two more years.
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