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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 21, 2019 9:44:11 GMT -5
If the season continues along the same trajectory and no miracles or ingenious solutions emerge over the next month, I think any reasonable person would expect a change, hopefully a voluntary one. The search then needs to move with alacrity and ambition, and we need to learn from previous hires. The Gilmore firing and hiring process was a disaster. Firing a 14 year head coach in the middle of the season, then blowing an entire recruitment period before hiring a guy 2 blocks down the road was clearly not a savvy or seasoned way of doing business. On the other hand, it can't be another hot potato hire like Carmody apparently was (I really don't remember, and thought it was a terrific hire at the time). Naturally, we do not have an AD or surrogate administrator to orchestrate this task, nor do we seem motivated to find one in short course. What a typical Holy Cross situation this has become. As someone said on another thread, if you don't laugh, you'd cry. I never thought we'd be at the bottom of the PL this year. Just goes to show how much I know. Great post. If we had real leadership at the school, they should be working on assembling a search committee that can perform the role of identifying, interviewing, and choosing the best coach for Holy Cross. Guys like Ralph Willard and George Blaney immediately come to mind. These are guys who know the school and who have more basketball knowledge in their left pinkie than fundraising/smoke & mirrors marketing AD-types who barely know whether basketballs are blown up or stuffed. A search committee like this would also have no ulterior motives besides getting the HC basketball program back on track. As opposed to things like wanting to win the press conference, greasing the palms of a search firm, etc.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2019 10:13:05 GMT -5
You've got basketball alumni in the area (or no further than metro NYC) and still connected in some way with the school and the program*. It should not be that difficult, WHEN APPROPRIATE, to QUICKLY form a group to figure this out.
*which means they understand what can currently be improved and what currently cannot.
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Post by joe on Feb 21, 2019 10:20:12 GMT -5
Time for HC to bury its head in the sand for 6 months. Please prove me wrong, Alma Mater.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 21, 2019 11:40:28 GMT -5
Don't stop with a national search. Go international. There is room on the bench for an interpreter. Seriously, I acknowledge the unsettled situation Athletic Administration is in and that it might take awhile to arrive at the best next coach possible and do it the right way. We are between ADs and I don't imagine Father B. has a stack of Sports Illustrated Magazines next to the Presidential throne when he has those few special moments for reading like most of us do, and I don't hold that against him. Logically, the next AD will head up any search, or else what will he or she be getting paid for?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 12:10:27 GMT -5
Regardless of opinion on head coach, I think this is a grossly inappropriate thread while Coach Carmody and the team are currently in the midst of preparing for end of stretch run and to try to win games in the postseason.
Start this when the position is vacant.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 21, 2019 12:16:25 GMT -5
To me, it's the equivalent of the pom pom wavers like myself starting a thread about hotel room prices in Dayton in March after the Bucknell win......whatever
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 21, 2019 12:45:09 GMT -5
You're right. Sorry.
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Post by joe on Feb 21, 2019 12:47:52 GMT -5
I'd love to see an acute change of course and another incredible run to win the PL championship from last place. Would just love it. What a great fan experience that was a few years ago. I will be watching with hope and enthusiasm.
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Post by cmo on Feb 21, 2019 12:49:22 GMT -5
Brings up an interesting question: what’s more likely to occur:
- Run table in PL tourney and get to Dayton
- have a new head coach next year.
Though I don’t think either will happen.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2019 15:33:59 GMT -5
Brings up an interesting question: what’s more likely to occur: - Run table in PL tourney and get to Dayton - have a new head coach next year. Though I don’t think either will happen. ...plus how much time are they going to have to spend resolving the Gibbons situation and hiring a new AD (in either order of occurrence)? When you throw the year they have to eat into that; it's probably time to close this thread; which I think it is anyway.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 21, 2019 15:55:54 GMT -5
I hope Ryan Wade and Drew Lowder aren’t reading this - not to mention their parents. And if Prosper is checking in here, we should basically end any discussion of him possibly landing on Mt. St. James.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 21, 2019 16:08:07 GMT -5
If a prospective recruit chooses not to attend HC because of posts on a message board, I think that speaks to a bigger problem about the current state of the program / the recruit.
Not to mention, Wade and Lowder have already signed their LOI.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2019 17:50:33 GMT -5
If a prospective recruit chooses not to attend HC because of posts on a message board, I think that speaks to a bigger problem about the current state of the program / the recruit. Not to mention, Wade and Lowder have already signed their LOI. So did Proctor, right? But talking about a possible coaching change is different from there actually being one.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 21, 2019 22:00:49 GMT -5
If a prospective recruit chooses not to attend HC because of posts on a message board, I think that speaks to a bigger problem about the current state of the program / the recruit. Not to mention, Wade and Lowder have already signed their LOI. I’m well-aware that LOIs have been executed. My concern is that our commits (which, to my understanding, do not include Proctor), would be following this thread, re-assessing their decisions and having the release request letters ready to submit to HC as soon as a change might occur - thereby setting back the program even more.
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Post by trimster on Feb 22, 2019 7:46:30 GMT -5
Kids commit to be a student-athlete at a college for all kinds of reasons. Given CBC's age, I have to assume anyone being recruited by him and his staff or anyone who has recently signed. a LOI, has to have considered the fact they may not end up playing for Coach Carmody their entire 4 years on the hill. I would also think the academic experience offered by Holy Cross is one of the reasons, hopefully fairly high on the list, he or she decided to attend HC and that is a constant. In my humble opinion, I think Bill Carmody will be our head coach next year unless he decides to retire.
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Post by possum on Feb 22, 2019 8:01:56 GMT -5
Nothing is going to hurt the program more than having the wrong person in charge. The thought that despite the evidence that his methods aren't working the coach should be given another year because the school is somehow paralyzed and can't make a personnel decision is ludicrous.
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letsgohc
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Post by letsgohc on Feb 22, 2019 8:31:29 GMT -5
Regardless of opinion on head coach, I think this is a grossly inappropriate thread while Coach Carmody and the team are currently in the midst of preparing for end of stretch run and to try to win games in the postseason. Start this when the position is vacant. Why are players fair game to criticism (guilty) but not the coach?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2019 9:12:33 GMT -5
I think we should also criticize, in no particular order:
* Father Brooks * Father Boroughs * The Board of Trustees * Nate Pine * Father Hart * The Luth family * the alums and fans that still show up for these games
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2019 9:20:39 GMT -5
FATHER HART?!?!?! Heaven forbid.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2019 11:21:22 GMT -5
Fr. Hart is up in heaven in a little room wallpapered with intramural schedules. He never hurt a flea.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2019 12:42:12 GMT -5
I am glad you have memories as warm as mine. I wonder if that "little room" looked like his tiny office under Fewick (in the corner) or like the little intramural office he had in the field house with the big window that overlooked the courts?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 22, 2019 20:19:16 GMT -5
Regardless of opinion on head coach, I think this is a grossly inappropriate thread while Coach Carmody and the team are currently in the midst of preparing for end of stretch run and to try to win games in the postseason. Start this when the position is vacant. Why are players fair game to criticism (guilty) but not the coach? 1) Find where I said the players were fair game 2) Find an instance where I've criticized student athletes for their performance Ready set go
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 22, 2019 20:33:18 GMT -5
Why are players fair game to criticism (guilty) but not the coach? 1) Find where I said the players were fair game 2) Find an instance where I've criticized student athletes for their performance Ready set go Rather than speculate about who will replace a head coach who is under contract, I think we should shift this thread to a discussion of this year’s All-America players (1st, 2d and 3d teams) whom we hope/expect will look to transfer to HC.
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letsgohc
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Post by letsgohc on Feb 24, 2019 8:43:45 GMT -5
Why are players fair game to criticism (guilty) but not the coach? 1) Find where I said the players were fair game 2) Find an instance where I've criticized student athletes for their performance Ready set go Here you go... nycrusader2010 Avatar nycrusader2010 Summa Cum Laude ***** Jan 19, 2019 at 2:39pm "..... What we really need is a team with more than 6 players capable of performing at a Division I level. ......" But that's not I was referring. My point if it's ok to criticize our athletes, I think PB gets the most, then AB. Why isn't Carmody open to same. You never posted anything to deter comments about players. I vaguely remember someone coming to ANT'S defense. If that was you, my apologies.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 24, 2019 10:28:00 GMT -5
1) Find where I said the players were fair game 2) Find an instance where I've criticized student athletes for their performance Ready set go Here you go... nycrusader2010 Avatar nycrusader2010 Summa Cum Laude ***** Jan 19, 2019 at 2:39pm "..... What we really need is a team with more than 6 players capable of performing at a Division I level. ......" But that's not I was referring. My point if it's ok to criticize our athletes, I think PB gets the most, then AB. Why isn't Carmody open to same. You never posted anything to deter comments about players. I vaguely remember someone coming to ANT'S defense. If that was you, my apologies. If this is your best evidence, the verdict is clearly not guilty.
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