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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 23, 2019 13:11:56 GMT -5
Why, again, are you guys so worked up about AAA baseball??? Basically a level that has become a "way station" for either journeymen players or guys rehabbing an injury. I get it, cheapah than Fenway, but I doubt either Pawtucket or Worcester will consistently have bang up crowds moving forward. A dozen minor league teams draw 7,500+ per game and another two dozen draw 5,000 to 7,500. Minor league baseball is a great value for the sports fan
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Post by alum on May 23, 2019 14:58:20 GMT -5
Why, again, are you guys so worked up about AAA baseball??? Basically a level that has become a "way station" for either journeymen players or guys rehabbing an injury. I get it, cheapah than Fenway, but I doubt either Pawtucket or Worcester will consistently have bang up crowds moving forward. A dozen minor league teams draw 7,500+ per game and another two dozen draw 5,000 to 7,500. Minor league baseball is a great value for the sports fan Hartford Yard Goats averaged 6014 with seated capacity of 6121 and standing room capacity of 6850 in 2018. They sold out every weekend, frequently in advance. A Red Sox AAA team will sell plenty of tickets. What is the proposed capacity in Worcester? I hope its 9000 or so.
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Post by sader1970 on May 23, 2019 15:28:40 GMT -5
"If you build it, they will come." WooSox will do just fine.
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Post by longsuffering on May 23, 2019 19:34:25 GMT -5
The last time I attended a game at McCoy, Chris Colabello, the Milford HS, Assumption College and Worcester Tornado alumnus was playing for the opposition, which I think was Rochester of the IL. There were one or two other players who were in the mix to be called up or had been recently sent down, so that added a little interest to the game.
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Post by rf1 on May 24, 2019 0:02:38 GMT -5
Since this is a topic on the Centrum issues, might as well add this:
The city enticed the developer of the Hilton Hotel with a promise of later adding a skybridge that would connect it to the DCU Center Convention Center. It was part of a contract signed in 2003. The hotel developer spent $400K building the support footings at its end as was part of the agreement. The hotel opened in 2005. The city however never started construction on the promised skybridge. The hotel developer, after over a decade of inaction by Worcester, had to go to court to get the city to honor its promise in the signed contract. City will have to build it but the cost has now risen by more than 2.5X during this long span. It is now estimated that it will cost over $10M.
Better hope all the city promises with the new ballpark and surrounding development as well as all its construction fare better than the skybridge that is now going on sixteen years since it was first proposed.
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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2019 7:21:24 GMT -5
I ever heard that before, but - say - it is no surprise.
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2019 7:28:42 GMT -5
A dozen minor league teams draw 7,500+ per game and another two dozen draw 5,000 to 7,500. Minor league baseball is a great value for the sports fan Hartford Yard Goats averaged 6014 with seated capacity of 6121 and standing room capacity of 6850 in 2018. They sold out every weekend, frequently in advance. A Red Sox AAA team will sell plenty of tickets. What is the proposed capacity in Worcester? I hope its 9000 or so. [b Polar Park will seat 10,000, which perhaps is the Triple A minimum for new stadiums.
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2019 8:15:25 GMT -5
Since this is a topic on the Centrum issues, might as well add this:
The city enticed the developer of the Hilton Hotel with a promise of later adding a skybridge that would connect it to the DCU Center Convention Center. It was part of a contract signed in 2003. The hotel developer spent $400K building the support footings at its end as was part of the agreement. The hotel opened in 2005. The city however never started construction on the promised skybridge. The hotel developer, after over a decade of inaction by Worcester, had to go to court to get the city to honor its promise in the signed contract. City will have to build it but the cost has now risen by more than 2.5X during this long span. It is now estimated that it will cost over $10M.
Better hope all the city promises with the new ballpark and surrounding development as well as all its construction fare better than the skybridge that is now going on sixteen years since it was first proposed.
I had never heard this. There was a stink a while back about the promised skybridge over Major Taylor Blvd (formerly Worcester Center Blvd) to the garage. The city was going after Hilton to pay promised parking fees for its guests, and Hilton claimed they shouldn't have to pay until the promised skybridge was completed.
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Post by hc6774 on May 24, 2019 8:49:39 GMT -5
Since this is a topic on the Centrum issues, might as well add this:
The city enticed the developer of the Hilton Hotel with a promise of later adding a skybridge that would connect it to the DCU Center Convention Center. It was part of a contract signed in 2003. The hotel developer spent $400K building the support footings at its end as was part of the agreement. The hotel opened in 2005. The city however never started construction on the promised skybridge. The hotel developer, after over a decade of inaction by Worcester, had to go to court to get the city to honor its promise in the signed contract. City will have to build it but the cost has now risen by more than 2.5X during this long span. It is now estimated that it will cost over $10M.
Better hope all the city promises with the new ballpark and surrounding development as well as all its construction fare better than the skybridge that is now going on sixteen years since it was first proposed.
Update? . Worcester will pay $12.5M to settle skybridge case ... www.telegram.com/news/20180412/worcester-will-pay-125m-to-settle-skybridge-case... Apr 12, 2018 · "A skybridge is an anathema to what we want to do downtown as a city," Mr. Augustus said. "Our goal today is to put feet on the streets so people can … Author: Nick Kotsopoulos . Worcester Settles Skybridge Lawsuit for $12.5 Million ... thisweekinworcester.com/worcester-settles-skybridge-lawsuit-12-5-millionApr 12, 2018 · WORCESTER – The City of Worcester will pay Hilton Garden Inn $12.5 million in a settlement agreement with Fargo Management LLC in the skybridge lawsuit from 2012. “By reaching a settlement the City has been able to resolve a large liability that had been ongoing for 12 years,” said City Manager Edward M. Augustus, Jr.
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Post by rf1 on May 24, 2019 9:00:36 GMT -5
The original cost estimate to build the skybridge was around $4M. The City of Worcester dragged its feet on what it promised and will have to pay 3X the original cost as settlement. $12.5M dollars for absolutely nothing. This is what happens in Worcester.
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Post by rf1 on May 24, 2019 11:56:41 GMT -5
I guess if Worcester officials were in charge, the skybridges in both Boston and Providence that connect convention centers with hotels and shopping malls would have been deemed unnecesary. Worcester must not have inclement and cold weather in the winter months like those cities.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on May 24, 2019 12:20:39 GMT -5
I guess if Worcester officials were in charge, the skybridges in both Boston and Providence that connect convention centers with hotels and shopping malls would have been deemed unnecesary. Worcester must not have inclement and cold weather in the winter months like those cities. It is well known that great cities have skybridges. I would never go to Boston in the winter without that skybridge. In fact, I stay inside all winter because Worcester doesn’t have a skybridge. I haven’t been to Providence in a long time, but since you mentioned the skybridge I’m going there this weekend.
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Post by rf1 on May 24, 2019 13:45:35 GMT -5
I guess if Worcester officials were in charge, the skybridges in both Boston and Providence that connect convention centers with hotels and shopping malls would have been deemed unnecesary. Worcester must not have inclement and cold weather in the winter months like those cities. It is well known that great cities have skybridges. I would never go to Boston in the winter without that skybridge. In fact, I stay inside all winter because Worcester doesn’t have a skybridge. I haven’t been to Providence in a long time, but since you mentioned the skybridge I’m going there this weekend.
I guess I will then have to soon go to downtown Worcester to see the spot where the city paid $12.5M not to build a skybridge it had earlier promised when it was estimated to cost only $4M. I would imagine there are great views of the unobstructed sky at this spot on Martin Luther King Blvd. Hopefully it will not be too busy with all the pedestrian street traffic that downtown Worcester apparently now has. Will also have to check out the arena where TWO AHL franchises USED to play and then check out where the Galleria USED to be. There are a lot of spots to check out that either once had things or where something was proposed but never built.
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Post by sader1970 on May 24, 2019 13:56:51 GMT -5
For skybridges, go to Minneapolis🌨❄️☃️
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Post by rf1 on May 24, 2019 14:17:18 GMT -5
For skybridges, go to Minneapolis🌨❄️☃️
Minneapolis has a lot and it makes sense given their weather. Toronto and Montreal went the other route connecting buildings underground for the same reason. Boston has multiple skybridges that go from the Westin at Copley Square to the Copley Place Mall to the Prudential Shops and Hynes Convention Center. Four hotels, two malls, several office towers, many restaurants, and a convention center can all be accessed without stepping outside in Boston. Providence has several over the road/river train track structures (which includes a skybridge) that allows one to walk from the lobby of the Dunkin Donuts Center through to the Convention Center, on to the 564 room Omni Hotel and over to the Providence Place Mall. Connects to multiple parking garages as well. Can basically go from across the street from the statehouse all the way to your seats in the Dunk without ever going outside. All exist in these downtowns to make things easier for visitors in inclement weather.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on May 24, 2019 15:04:10 GMT -5
It is well known that great cities have skybridges. I would never go to Boston in the winter without that skybridge. In fact, I stay inside all winter because Worcester doesn’t have a skybridge. I haven’t been to Providence in a long time, but since you mentioned the skybridge I’m going there this weekend.
I guess I will then have to soon go to downtown Worcester to see the spot where the city paid $12.5M not to build a skybridge it had earlier promised when it was estimated to cost only $4M. I would imagine there are great views of the unobstructed sky at this spot on Martin Luther King Blvd. Hopefully it will not be too busy with all the pedestrian street traffic that downtown Worcester apparently now has. Will also have to check out the arena where TWO AHL franchises USED to play and then check out where the Galleria USED to be. There are a lot of spots to check out that either once had things or where something was proposed but never built.
Yes, but that won’t change the fact that the PawSox are now the Worcester Red Sox. Stop crying and get over it.
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2019 15:12:02 GMT -5
Have been in the Montreal tunnels and the Minneapolis skybridges. It is the neatest feeling to walk through those in the winter. You feel like a chesire cat who swallowed a canary, because you are cheating Mother Nature out of brutal wind chill and cold. How is a handicapped person supposed to cross the busy street when Worcester, the worst snow plowing community in the region, still has a foot of wet dirty slush three days after the last snow storm? The salt in that slush alone will corrode a lady's dress shoe before she gets to dance at the ball at the DCU.
If the city is paying for the bridge anyway, why not build a skybridge instead of pay to not build a skybridge?
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Post by rgs318 on May 25, 2019 7:23:29 GMT -5
For skybridges, go to Minneapolis🌨❄️☃️ Minneapolis has a lot and it makes sense given their weather. Toronto and Montreal went the other route connecting buildings underground for the same reason. Boston has multiple skybridges that go from the Westin at Copley Square to the Copley Place Mall to the Prudential Shops and Hynes Convention Center. Four hotels, two malls, several office towers, many restaurants, and a convention center can all be accessed without stepping outside in Boston. Providence has several over the road/river train track structures (which includes a skybridge) that allows one to walk from the lobby of the Dunkin Donuts Center through to the Convention Center, on to the 564 room Omni Hotel and over to the Providence Place Mall. Can basically go from across the street from the statehouse all the way to your seats in the Dunk without ever going outside. All exist in these downtowns to make things easier for visitors in inclement weather.
I visited both cities and remember Montreal as having more connections underground. Te skybridge and e ability to walk trough store that were otherwise "closed" in bad weather in Duluth was a real benefit. The first floor doors were not used in some stores for months a a time.
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Post by longsuffering on May 25, 2019 18:14:17 GMT -5
Worcester has a skybridge between what used to be known as the Worcester Center Galleria parking garage and the Mercantile Center (used to be one wing of the Galleria complex.) What would have been nifty is if a skybridge connected one end of one parking garage (either the Galleria parking complex across the street from the arena section of the DCU or the newer parking garage across the street from the Hilton Hotel and the convention center section of the DCU) so that fans could drive into a parking garage on a sloppy winter night during basketball/hockey season and make their way to the game and back without going outdoors.
What a shame that $12 million will be spent and nothing will be bought.
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