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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 14, 2019 9:26:07 GMT -5
Carmody's recent comment "[Sandy's] addition rounds out a strong incoming class that we expect to make a big impact next season.” Carmody's evaluation of Hargis and Verbeek, May 10, 2018 . . .
"They are two very competitive guys who are skilled and athletic, with the ability to dribble, pass, and shoot. They should make an immediate impact on our program in the fall."
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Post by lou on Jun 14, 2019 9:38:48 GMT -5
Big difference: "next season" and "in the fall"
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Post by possum on Jun 14, 2019 10:44:02 GMT -5
Yeah he didn't say which fall obviously wasn't referring to the fall of their freshmen year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 14, 2019 12:39:52 GMT -5
Zone defense may have been an attempt to avoid foul trouble for HC's front line. That is not the same as saying these players are not able to play M2M.t
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Post by possum on Jun 14, 2019 13:06:42 GMT -5
I don't know about the incoming freshmen but in the immortal words of RW there were a lot of players on last years roster who couldn't guard a chair.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 14, 2019 13:21:48 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I think this team is going to need a huge contribution from the frosh for the upcoming season to be viewed as as a successful season. Carmody's recent comment "[Sandy's] addition rounds out a strong incoming class that we expect to make a big impact next season.” What was he going to say? “I think this class is okay and we will be lucky to get any production from them.”
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 14, 2019 13:29:00 GMT -5
By the way, this “quote” from Carmody in all likelihood is Charles Bare just writing something about the class and attaching Carmody’s name to it.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 14, 2019 13:48:27 GMT -5
Zone defense may have been an attempt to avoid foul trouble for HC's front line. That is not the same as saying these players are not able to play M2M.t Holy Cross hasn't played more than a few possessions of M2M in a game since Carmody arrived. It's our "junk" defense.
I don't know how many players in this group can be effective man defenders. To date, the coach hasn't seemed interested in finding out.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 14, 2019 15:34:52 GMT -5
I don't know about the incoming freshmen but in the immortal words of RW there were a lot of players on last years roster who couldn't guard a chair. And the only good defender just graduated. Future is bright!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 15, 2019 4:55:30 GMT -5
When I look at the roster, I simply cannot accept that they are incapable of playing m2m defense against peer schools at least part of the time; JF or no JF. I think it's a question of wanting to play m2m.
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Post by trimster on Jun 15, 2019 7:31:58 GMT -5
Excellent point NAD. If we can't play man against PL teams, we are in a lot of trouble.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 15, 2019 8:17:05 GMT -5
Totally agree, NAD, and I will go a step further (farther? a step is distance but this is a concept, not distance, so I defer to our resident grammarians), the lack of rebounding is most likely not lack of skill/talent/effort but by design. I could accept the first of those two but not the lack of design.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 15, 2019 8:52:28 GMT -5
Lack of offensive rebounding due to design—true Not so for defensive rebounding No coach sets up any design to result in a lack of defensive rebounding
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 15, 2019 9:13:02 GMT -5
I will go a step further (farther? a step is distance but this is a concept, not distance, so I defer to our resident grammarians) One of my favorite movie scenes.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 15, 2019 9:14:05 GMT -5
Not so for defensive rebounding No coach sets up any design to result in a lack of defensive rebounding Why do you think Carmody's teams have consistently been among the worst in the country in defensive rebounding?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 15, 2019 9:22:24 GMT -5
You coaching types can disagree, but if you want to get young guys in the playing mix quicker, I would think playing m2m at least part of the time would help. In my limited pickup game experience as a kid, once sides were picked up, it was never "let's play a 2-3, with some m2m principles to confuse these guys". It was "ok, I got the fat kid, who you got?"
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 15, 2019 9:25:10 GMT -5
No coach sets up any design to result in a lack of defensive rebounding Unless said coach doesn't care much - nor wants to think much - about either defense or rebounding, believing that if his team can "dribble, pass, shoot" to perfection (spoiler alert - an impossible goal to attain), that will be enough to win.
It isn't. And time's up this season for Carmody & Co. to prove otherwise.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 15, 2019 10:40:13 GMT -5
You coaching types can disagree, but if you want to get young guys in the playing mix quicker, I would think playing m2m at least part of the time would help. In my limited pickup game experience as a kid, once sides were picked up, it was never "let's play a 2-3, with some m2m principles to confuse these guys". It was "ok, I got the fat kid, who you got?" Ahhhh. So you defended me!
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 15, 2019 10:53:15 GMT -5
You coaching types can disagree, but if you want to get young guys in the playing mix quicker, I would think playing m2m at least part of the time would help. In my limited pickup game experience as a kid, once sides were picked up, it was never "let's play a 2-3, with some m2m principles to confuse these guys". It was "ok, I got the fat kid, who you got?" I've got the short girl with the leg brace. You take the one they call Moose.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 15, 2019 12:40:27 GMT -5
You coaching types can disagree, but if you want to get young guys in the playing mix quicker, I would think playing m2m at least part of the time would help. In my limited pickup game experience as a kid, once sides were picked up, it was never "let's play a 2-3, with some m2m principles to confuse these guys". It was "ok, I got the fat kid, who you got?" Ahhhh. So you defended me! Yeah, well kids in the other team always wanted to guard "the dorky kid with the glasses!"
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 16, 2019 8:41:14 GMT -5
You coaching types can disagree, but if you want to get young guys in the playing mix quicker, I would think playing m2m at least part of the time would help. In my limited pickup game experience as a kid, once sides were picked up, it was never "let's play a 2-3, with some m2m principles to confuse these guys". It was "ok, I got the fat kid, who you got?" The difference at this level is that an effective M2M requires coaching, scouting, and preparation — a major weak spot for the HC program. For example, if you’re going to teach and/or allow your players to close out by flying past shot fakes on the perimeter, all defenses will fail. If you’re going to enter every game with the exact same plan and not adjust to opponents’ strengths and weaknesses, any defense is going to fail. This guy always drives left, that guy’s tendency is to pull up for a jump shot when he drives right, this guy drives to pass rather than shoot, that guy can’t shoot 3’s so don’t do our normal stupid closeouts on him, this guy always tries to make a post move over his left shoulder, etc. etc. Those types of tendencies are not picked up by the coaching staff and/or not taught effectively to the players. And until that happens, M2M vs zone is basically irrelevant.
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