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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 9, 2019 12:38:12 GMT -5
If both Green and Grandsion transfer, we will have a team that returns 35% of its minutes this season from a team last season that primarily started 4 sophomores and had 2 others with more time than our 1 returning senior. Wade and Lowder better be really good. The most important stat from that team: last place (6-12) in the PL. We can't get any worse. If we have to throw the Detroit guys into the mix early and give Nelson (most likely a SIGNIFICANTLY better recruiter than Carmody) two extra scholarships for next year to balance the classes/roster, we should be in a much better position in 2-3 years (and beyond) than we would have been in this next season.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 9, 2019 15:00:35 GMT -5
I would think that if anyone has actually transferred to another school, i.e., withdrawn from Holy Cross, that would quickly be reflected on the roster. But nothing yet.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 9, 2019 15:27:13 GMT -5
Given how imbalanced the scholarship situation is, one loss may not be that bad; although I'd rather the loss be someone who can't contribute at all.
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2019 21:50:41 GMT -5
Same for Green. I think this just means they're in the portal. I'm not reading anything into this
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2019 21:53:55 GMT -5
Agree, based on what Blossom told Jen T. today
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Post by alcovefan on Jul 11, 2019 14:39:11 GMT -5
Also unfortunate if they decide to transfer, but I'm not terribly hung up on the loss in minutes. Time to get comfortable with the fact that we will stink next year whether they are here or not.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jul 11, 2019 14:55:10 GMT -5
Also unfortunate if they decide to transfer, but I'm not terribly hung up on the loss in minutes. Time to get comfortable with the fact that we will stink next year whether they are here or not. Not to discredit the contributions of any players, or to speak about my personal feelings about them/their performances-- but did we not stink last year with them too?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 11, 2019 14:58:52 GMT -5
/\ We were below .500 again last year and I think a good number (all?) of us thought (given JF's graduation) we would not be nearly that good this year. Now add the (probable) departure of two of the better returnees and it's looking worse (notwithstanding a new coach and some incoming frosh). Doesn't mean we'll be bad forever or that the kids won't play hard of course.
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Post by alcovefan on Jul 11, 2019 14:59:46 GMT -5
Yes, the great efforts of any of our men (and coaches) notwithstanding. But we did, and we will again. A new coach isn't going to fix that in year one, and we probably haven't yet seen the bottom. No shame in that, but we're resetting here.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 11, 2019 16:14:35 GMT -5
Also unfortunate if they decide to transfer, but I'm not terribly hung up on the loss in minutes. Time to get comfortable with the fact that we will stink next year whether they are here or not. Not to discredit the contributions of any players, or to speak about my personal feelings about them/their performances-- but did we not stink last year with them too? Season was disappointing but I do not think it was as bad as some apparently do. There were a lot of exciting games and memorable individual performances. I enjoyed watching the team play quite a bit.
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Post by possum on Jul 11, 2019 16:24:40 GMT -5
OOC record gave everyone great hope for the season. Finishing last in the league made the season a disaster.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 11, 2019 16:39:02 GMT -5
I’m optimistic at this point that a turnaround can occur in year 1 regarding won/lost record.
I saw a HC team rebound from the depths of disparity in 1985 and the early 1986, to having a Heisman trophy candidate, a major SI article with features on the major networks, media and a stellar record in the fall of 1986. Mark Duffner managed to turn the team around in one seasons, with more pieces that had to be manipulated and more obstacles in front of him. Hopefully Brett Nelson can do the same with the talent he now has on his roster.
There is no “I” in team, the right coach can bring that individual chemistry together and form the correct bond. Let”s see how the next couple of months unfold before throwing in the towel for the 2019-2020 season.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 11, 2019 17:18:46 GMT -5
OT but that '85 football team wasn't that bad on the field itself. Beat some decent teams (Colgate, Delaware with Rich Gannon at QB etc)...team was plagued by injuries, QB problems (Muldoon decided not to come back for a 5th year as expected)along with the issues Coach Carter was dealing with.e tc Point being, the cupboard wasn't empty obviously.
Back on topic, I hope Jacob stays on the Hill.
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Post by joe on Jul 11, 2019 17:33:53 GMT -5
Again . . . Let whomever is unsure about HC basketball walk. The more scholarships the new coach has, the better. Playing the long game now. Bye.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 11, 2019 17:49:04 GMT -5
87, I still see some of the same parallel that you noted with the 85 football team and this last year’s basketball team. Connor and Austin both injured, and Coach Carmody dealing with a severe health issue of his wife.
I am still looking at the glass at least half full for the up coming season.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 11, 2019 18:30:25 GMT -5
I think the two Michiganders could really help the team and a fully healed CN will be a big plus. As well, we will see what Summer conditioning and weightlifting do for the boys
Oh, and a whole new O and D, once mastered, will make us more productive
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Post by hcpride on Jul 11, 2019 18:59:24 GMT -5
87, I still see some of the same parallel that you noted with the 85 football team and this last year’s basketball team. Connor and Austin both injured, and Coach Carmody dealing with a severe health issue of his wife. I am still looking at the glass at least half full for the up coming season. I don't know. That hard-luck 4-6-1 '85 team was preceded by 3 stellar years (8-3, 9-2-1 and 8-3) and was loaded with the sort of talent/recruits (including, but not at all limited to, sophomore Gordie Lockbaum and frosh Jeff Wiley) that led to 10-1 and 11-0 years in '86 and '87. IMHO during that stretch we had superior players compared to most of our competition. Of course Coach Carter and Coach Duffner were excellent recruiters and coaches as well. (I can't claim with a straight face that we out-talent most of our hoops opposition nowadays...and we have had 4 straight years under .500 in hoops - last year was no blip)
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Post by joe on Jul 11, 2019 20:01:00 GMT -5
Sure I agree 100%. But maybe the next man (men) up would appreciate those great opportunities even more. When the crap hit the fan in football during the late 90s virtually everyone I knew could have walked away but few did. That’s called loyalty. A good skill to have in 2019. That’s all I have to say.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 11, 2019 20:38:17 GMT -5
Word on the street is Blake V has gained a few pounds and increased strength since the season. Can any one confirm? Let’s see how much he will be able to contribute.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 11, 2019 20:41:30 GMT -5
Two freshmen helped turn around the program in 1974, after HC had dismal seasons in 1972 and 1973. Maybe the incoming class can provide the same spark.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 11, 2019 20:44:33 GMT -5
Their names were Potter and Vicens A very different era let’s not put pressure on any incoming freshmen
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Post by sader81 on Jul 12, 2019 4:45:22 GMT -5
A lot of gloom and doom here! Last year after the OOC schedule, we all had visions of sweet 16! But the team was very young, had some injuries, and I suspect Mrs Carmody’s illness had a lot more effect on the team’s mental focus than we understand as outsiders. If Green and Grandy leave, it will hurt, no doubt. But there are four talented juniors back. Hopefully Niego and Butler are healed. Faw is a player and hopefully on the trajectory of most big men at HC over the last two decades who are solid players by their senior year. Everyone overlooks Copeland, who FCBC said was the team’s best shooter last year. LeSan got some minutes and was a streaky shooter, and iirc was recruited as a combo guard. With or without Green & Grandy, this team is a year away from being very good! Traditionally, PL teams with experienced seniors are the teams that are in the mix for championships.
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2019 7:47:50 GMT -5
A lot of gloom and doom here! Traditionally, PL teams with experienced seniors are the teams that are in the mix for championships. I think that's where my gloom and doom are coming from. HC had experienced seniors last year and finished 10th. Yes, there were injuries last year. That's part of the game and, although I hope not, there will likely be some level of injuries this year. I don't think even a team insider could really quantify the level to which Mrs Carmody's health affected the team. My guess is considerable. There is a ray of sunshine on the horizon, but that horizon is at least a year away. Sadly, when I look at the next 8 months, I feel like Eeyore
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Post by hcpride on Jul 12, 2019 8:52:56 GMT -5
/\ Agree that we weren’t particularly young last year ( our only star was a senior, for example) ). If we hit the jackpot with our incoming recruits we could be just a couple of years away from a winning season.
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Post by matunuck on Jul 12, 2019 10:48:03 GMT -5
Given the state of our program the last few years, I prefer to not view the upcoming season/recruits through rose-colored glasses. A few posters have noted that some players seemed "indifferent" at times last season despite getting full rides to Holy Cross while other students go into substantial debt to attend. Do hope this issue, if accurate, is fixed out of the gate by our new coach. I suspect he will have little tolerance for anything less than 100 percent effort and engagement.
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