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Post by rf1 on Jul 27, 2019 11:22:07 GMT -5
The NCAA has released the official Men's Basketball D1 attendance numbers. The numbers for the 22 D1 members in New England is listed below. Holy Cross slipped two places to finish 9th in the region with an average of 1,361. The Crusaders had drawn better than Harvard and Yale the previous season.
NEW ENGLAND MEN'S BASKETBALL D1 HOME ATTENDANCE BY AVERAGE 2018-19
TEAM | GAMES | TOTAL | AVERAGE | LY AVERAGE | DIFF
PROVIDENCE | 18 | 171,761 | 9,542 | 9,547 | 0.0%
UCONN | 18 | 155,734 | 8,652 | 7,829 | 10.5%
URI | 14 | 81,153 | 5,797 | 6,216 | -6.7%
BOSTON COLLEGE | 18 | 94,377 | 5,243 | 5,160 | 1.6%
UMASS-AMHERST | 17 | 47,468 | 2,792 | 2,994 | -6.7%
VERMONT | 18 | 48,480 | 2,693 | 2,929 | -8.0%
YALE | 14 | 22,359 | 1,597 | 1,306 | 22.3%
HARVARD | 11 | 17,055 | 1,550 | 1,511 | 2.6%
HOLY CROSS | 14 | 19,050 | 1,361 | 1,641 | -17.1%
FAIRFIELD | 12 | 16,280 | 1,357 | 1,347 | 0.7%
QUINNIPIAC | 14 | 17,150 | 1,225 | 1,587 | -22.8%
BROWN | 16 | 19,589 | 1,224 | 882 | 38.8%
UMASS-LOWELL | 13 | 15,640 | 1,203 | 1,119 | 7.5%
NORTHEASTERN | 13 | 14,526 | 1,117 | 1,142 | -2.2%
MAINE | 12 | 12,109 | 1,009 | 1,028 | -1.8%
CCSU | 12 | 12,057 | 1,005 | 1,428 | -29.6%
HARTFORD | 14 | 11,894 | 850 | 1,408 | -39.7%
DARTMOUTH | 14 | 11,581 | 827 | 868 | -4.7%
BRYANT | 14 | 10,530 | 752 | 634 | 18.6%
BU | 15 | 11,025 | 735 | 694 | 5.9%
SACRED HEART | 13 | 8,422 | 648 | 442 | 46.6%
UNH | 14 | 5,362 | 383 | 481 | -20.4%
TOTAL | 318 | 823,602 | 2,590 | 2,589 | 0.0%
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Post by hchoops on Jul 27, 2019 12:17:56 GMT -5
BU embarrasses itself and the PL, even more than Colgate. Imo
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 27, 2019 12:50:57 GMT -5
According to HC website, average home attendance was 1,288. Either way, believe this was lowest since 1999-2000.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 27, 2019 13:15:48 GMT -5
According to HC website, average home attendance was 1,288. Either way, believe this was lowest since 1999-2000. The difference is that the HC site, for some reason, doesn't count the URI game at the DCU as a home game. However under the NCAA definition, it clearly is classified as a home game. So the average attendance of 1361, as reported by the NCAA and also by the Patriot League, is the correct one. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 27, 2019 13:23:54 GMT -5
We've got to get this back up to 2,500+. Maybe we can do that with 3 or 4 consecutive 20+ win seasons
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 27, 2019 15:31:54 GMT -5
BU embarrasses itself and the PL, even more than Colgate. Imo BU has such a large enrollment and because some of the "crowd" is season ticket holders, parents, family, local basketball fans and opposing team fans it means the majority of BU students go for four years without ever seeing a BB game right in the heart of campus. |
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 27, 2019 19:00:35 GMT -5
BU embarrasses itself and the PL, even more than Colgate. Imo Meant to press dislike. HC fans are in no position to criticize anyone. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 27, 2019 20:10:46 GMT -5
BU embarrasses itself and the PL, even more than Colgate. Imo BU has such a large enrollment and because some of the "crowd" is season ticket holders, parents, family, local basketball fans and opposing team fans it means the majority of BU students go for four years without ever seeing a BB game right in the heart of campus.And this is different from HC how? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 27, 2019 20:21:15 GMT -5
If we win, the Hart will consistently have 2,000+ for games.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 27, 2019 23:38:49 GMT -5
BU has such a large enrollment and because some of the "crowd" is season ticket holders, parents, family, local basketball fans and opposing team fans it means the majority of BU students go for four years without ever seeing a BB game right in the heart of campus.And this is different from HC how? Our majority is smaller than their majority?  |
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Post by hc87 on Jul 27, 2019 23:59:32 GMT -5
Our numbers don't reflect actual fannies imo...we had games with probably 400-500 tops for a lot of games last year
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 28, 2019 7:25:55 GMT -5
I have the solution: ban/abolish smartphones, cable tv and the internet. Start broadcasting one local game on Saturday, and one national game on Sunday. Have a local station broadcast some home games (rabbit ears required). Voila! Attendance jumps up above 3,000!
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 10:28:36 GMT -5
When the PL and other leagues made the decision to show all of their games live on the internet with professional announcers and basically TV quality production did they accurately forecast the drop in attendance that has occurred?
Each league makes a decision whether to make their games free on the internet or charge per game or season subscription fees. I bet the leagues that have a pay wall have experienced a slightly smaller drop off in attendance.
Do any long time Crossporters recall if interest and comments on HC BB were greater or lesser before the games became available on goholycross.com?
Do any posters with kids currently or recently at HC know if many students have the games up on the internet in the dorms a few hundred yards away from the Hart Center while they also do homework or whatever else kids do? Has attending games become socially dorky or is it truly uninteresting compared to other options?
There is no going back. If my doctor says "Sorry son, you're not driving anymore" I'm not buying a horse, I'll be taking Uber and Lyft and saving up for a driverless car in a few years.
The ability to follow a stream of passionate and knowledgeable commentary on one device while watching the game on another is priceless (literally). I think the ability of the internet to connect the HC community worldwide is reflected in the record breaking CAF donations and the breathtaking amount of contributions to the Capital Campaign. If that is so, the decision to show all the games for free has been wildly successful. My thought about increasing student attendance: offer more in game contests with prizes attractive to students, maybe even some where points are accumulated during the season that pit dorms against other dorms.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 28, 2019 10:40:26 GMT -5
When the PL and other leagues made the decision to show all of their games live on the internet with professional announcers and basically TV quality production did they accurately forecast the drop in attendance that has occurred? Each league makes a decision whether to make their games free on the internet or charge per game or season subscription fees. I bet the leagues that have a pay wall have experienced a slightly smaller drop off in attendance. Do any long time Crossporters recall if interest and comments on HC BB were greater or lesser before the games became available on goholycross.com? Do any posters with kids currently or recently at HC know if many students have the games up on the internet in the dorms a few hundred yards away from the Hart Center while they also do homework or whatever else kids do? Has attending games become socially dorky or is it truly uninteresting compared to other options? There is no going back. If my doctor says "Sorry son, you're not driving anymore" I'm not buying a horse, I'll be taking Uber and Lyft and saving up for a driverless car in a few years. The ability to follow a stream of passionate and knowledgeable commentary on one device while watching the game on another is priceless (literally). I think the ability of the internet to connect the HC community worldwide is reflected in the record breaking CAF donations and the breathtaking amount of contributions to the Capital Campaign. If that is so, the decision to show all the games for free has been wildly successful. My thought about increasing student attendance: offer more in game contests with prizes attractive to students, maybe even some where points are accumulated during the season that pit dorms against other dorms. Block all areas except outer Cape Cod. |
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Post by rf1 on Jul 28, 2019 10:43:48 GMT -5
Interesting to note that UMass drew far more fans to its men's hockey games than its men's basketball games:
UMass
Men's Basketball 17 | 47,468 | 2,792
Men's Hockey 18 | 87,776 | 4,876
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 28, 2019 10:54:39 GMT -5
And BU hockey drew nearly 4,000 per - nearly six times hoop attendance. There is ample fan interest at BU - just not in basketball
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 10:56:53 GMT -5
UMass still hunting for it's next Calipari. Hope we have found our next Willard.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 28, 2019 11:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 11:03:19 GMT -5
And BU hockey drew nearly 4,000 per - nearly six times hoop attendance. There is ample fan interest at BU - just not in basketball Maybe there's something to the excitement of following national contenders. You can do that in HE but realistically not in the PL. But, BU hockey has the Beanpot and BU basketball has the Turnpike Trophy. That's a wash, right?🤔 |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 28, 2019 11:03:30 GMT -5
Hockey is a bigger draw in the northeast because those teams are in the best conference for their sport. Hockey East
Being in the PL is a killer for attendance.
With that said, winning will definitely help.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2019 11:05:58 GMT -5
Ability to stream for free without a doubt hurts attendance. I have forgone 6 hours round trip driving multiple times for football and basketball games because this option has been available.
As far as students, I dont think theyre THAT lazy where they would stream in dorm as opposed to walking into Hart for free. Those with a lot of homework would either just not go or go for a half, if they were interested in the first place.
The lack of student attendance is a result of apathy. No juice behind the program. Were almost at the point where hockey out draws mens basketball -- and our hockey team hasnt even been good!!
Even during the early TG / Randolph era when the football team was a combined 8 points away from winning 4 straight Patriot League titles from 2006-2009 (when we finally won), basketball clearly drove the apple cart here. School needs to re-create its identity as a "basketball school".
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2019 11:11:49 GMT -5
And BU hockey drew nearly 4,000 per - nearly six times hoop attendance. There is ample fan interest at BU - just not in basketball Maybe there's something to the excitement of following national contenders. You can do that in HE but realistically not in the PL. But, BU hockey has the Beanpot and BU basketball has the Turnpike Trophy. That's a wash, right?🤔 Im a broken record but I always found the Beanpawt ovah-rated from a pure sports fan perspective. More of a huge party with college hockey as a back drop. If youre BU, which of the following games would you rather win against BC or Northeastern? 1) Regular season Hockey East games that have playoff home ice implications 2) Hockey East tournament games 3) A potential NCAA matchup 4) Bean Pot games that count zilch toward HE standing |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 11:16:27 GMT -5
3-2-1-4
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 28, 2019 11:17:15 GMT -5
Maybe there's something to the excitement of following national contenders. You can do that in HE but realistically not in the PL. But, BU hockey has the Beanpot and BU basketball has the Turnpike Trophy. That's a wash, right?🤔 Im a broken record but I always found the Beanpawt ovah-rated from a pure sports fan perspective. More of a huge party with college hockey as a back drop. If youre BU, which of the following games would you rather win against BC or Northeastern? 1) Regular season Hockey East games that have playoff home ice implications 2) Hockey East tournament games 3) A potential NCAA matchup 4) Bean Pot games that count zilch toward HE standing As a huge BU hockey fan and my uncle being Beanpot MVP. (Tom Poti) The Beanpot means a lot. One of the biggest college hockey tournaments of the year. The final is also electric to watch in person. Go BU 30 time Beanpot Champs. |
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Post by rf1 on Jul 28, 2019 11:18:24 GMT -5
UMass, a school with an undergraduate enrollment of near 24k, has not drawn well for men's basketball for most of the past decade. Their numbers in the 9,493 seat on campus Mullins Center have been:
UMASS HOME ATTENDANCE BY AVERAGE
SEASON | GAMES | TOTAL | AVERAGE
2009-10 | 14 | 55,823 | 3,987
2010-11 | 17 | 56,096 | 3,300
2011-12 | 16 | 68,471 | 4,279
2012-13 | 14 | 73,564 | 5,255
2013-14 | 13 | 85,069 | 6,544
2014-15 | 15 | 68,291 | 4,553
2015-16 | 16 | 53,841 | 3,365
2016-17 | 18 | 59,338 | 3,297
2017-18 | 17 | 50,901 | 2,994
2018-19 | 17 | 47,468 | 2,792
TOTAL | 157 | 618,862 | 3,942
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