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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 15:12:45 GMT -5
Shotgun: 1st Down Shotgun: 2nd Down Shotgun: 3rd Down Shotgun: 4th Down Shotgun: Red Zone Inside the 5 Shotgun: Under a minute left
Congratulations to the defense for getting the win, but this can't continue. It defies all common sense.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 7, 2019 15:16:23 GMT -5
Wasn't pretty but I'll take it - Happy for the team. The game was freezing up for me, so I couldn't see the play very well - Was it just me or did it look like they were down in the endzone (safety) instead of a fumble? Again, just asking bc it was choppy as I watched and couldn't see what happened? Yes, the initial look on the screen appeared as if the ball carrier got tackled..but then on the replay you could see he coughed it up before his knee or anything else touched. The replay ended up focusing on whether the HC kid recovered the ball before it (or he) hit the end line, which he did.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 7, 2019 15:21:17 GMT -5
Who gets the Player of the Game trophy???
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 7, 2019 15:23:44 GMT -5
If they continue to win, it can go on forever for all I care...but I saw what you mean. The defense got this one and set up the game to cover the offense.
6sader7 - The runner was going down in the end zone when the ball was knocked loose. It appeared to have been recovered by HC, then it was knocked loose again with HC getting just inside the end line. All that matters is that we finally got some calls going our way in this one.
Now on to Yale, with two games under our belts. Degenhardt was better than at Navy (21 for 34 with 0 ints) but our play calling certainly raised some questions. That one dazzle-dazzle play was great to see...our failure too get a TD after it, not so much.
Ng had a solid day - two FGs, a PAT and some punting.
The day belonged to the defense - give them a "collective" player of the game..
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 7, 2019 15:29:12 GMT -5
Now for some possible bad news...how hurt was Cozier when he came out near the end? He has 2 weeks to recover from whatever it was.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 7, 2019 15:29:31 GMT -5
If they continue to win, it can go on forever for all I care...but I saw what you mean. The defense got this one and set up the game to cover the offense. 6sader7 - The runner was going down in the end zone when the ball was knocked loose. It appeared to have been recovered by HC, then it was knocked loose again with HC getting just inside the end line. All that matters is that we finally got some calls going our way in this one.
Now on to Yale, with two games under our belts. Degenhardt was better than at Navy but our play calling certainly raised some questions. That one dazzle-dazzle play was great to see...our failure too get a TD after it, not so much. Ng had a solid day - two FGs, a PAT and some punting. I thought that #97 Jason Modak fell on top of the ball in the end zone for the TD after the UNH RB fumbled--but apparently that was not counted as a TD and thankfully Joe Lang had his usual "nose for the ball" and covered it before it rolled out over the back line
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Post by HC92 on Sept 7, 2019 15:34:03 GMT -5
Fun win. Not surprising as UNH is down but fun nonetheless.
Shotgun is to Chesney as bunting the cleanup hitter is to Dicenzo.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 7, 2019 15:37:02 GMT -5
Historically, that was a game we lose somehow...hopefully the mojo is changing on Mt St James
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 7, 2019 15:40:30 GMT -5
Historically, that was a game we lose somehow...hopefully the mojo is changing on Mt St James Agree - Nice to have the ball roll our way for once. Again, happy we got the W, that's all that matters with re: to UNH - But I sincerely hope we're able to shake things up re: our offensive play calling and in-game adjustments. The shotgun run game is not ideal for this offense, and our "RPO" isn't either: Run AND throw the ball from under center at least 40% of the time - There's no reason not to.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 7, 2019 15:41:42 GMT -5
We won the turnover battle. That was the difference.
Defense was spectacular at all three levels.
The offense seriously needs to figure some things out. Let’s leave it at that. One offensive touchdown in eight quarters of football. We are too predictable.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 7, 2019 15:46:18 GMT -5
Equally egregious as fumbling is handing it off in your end zone in that situation. There is an epidemic of this sh***t and it's not limited to Holy Cross. Extra syllable in sh***t but you get a Mulligan. I was standing behind the end zone fence and still couldn't figure it out. Marcus Bloom was behind the UNH corner of the end zone with his adorable daughter hugging his leg. Great to see his astonishment. I told him he changed our luck. HC used to lose games at the end like this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 15:53:21 GMT -5
Keys to Winning The Game (Offense) 1. Mix in more plays with the QB under center and integrate more misdirection/play action to pull in LB's. Current offense (100% Shotgun) is predictable and ineffective in allowing receivers to gain separation and open up the middle of the field. Simple changes to formations can go a long way in creating more opportunities in every phase of the game. 2. Integrate more high percentage throws (screens, quick hitters) in addition to run to take pressure off Degenhardt. You can't have a first year starter in Shotgun for 100% of the game, handing the ball off 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and expect to win. 3. Have a backup plan if Degenhardt is ineffective. Game plan for misdirection plays, option, trick plays to ensure you can get your fastest/most athletic players the ball. If the offense is ineffective for the first few drives, be sure to create some momentum with some different type of play calls that can create a spark. 4. Change up run game and RPO to ensure 4-5 yards on first down. This can be achieved by consistent motion, TE Trade, and incorporating different formations that gives the offense numbers at the point of attack. My biggest knock on this staff is their inability to understand basic offensive strategy in keeping a defense on their toes and creating an "advantage". Their offense is so one dimensional and predictable that the majority of DC's will just sit back in coverage and make the QB try to beat them. 5. Be sure Degenhardt is comfortable running the 2 minute offense. This needs to be drilled over and over and over in practice. Needs to be second nature with knowing where to go with the ball and executing high percentage throws. Well, we hit on #3 (trick play). I would say the rest was an absolute wash. haha.
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Post by joe on Sept 7, 2019 16:00:04 GMT -5
Offensive play calling, clock management, and protection started out very bad but unlike other seasons we seemed to make adjustments and improve. Things opened up and the tempo changed when we stopped jamming up the middle and did some play action and got the ball to the sidelines on options and swing passes. This opened up a little more of the run game and downfield passing. I have no comment on that one high risk trick play that could have backfired about 4 times. CD played a very smart, solid game, and I like him a lot at QB. He got out of trouble and kept cool on a few occasions where he could have made rookie mistakes. UNH is a much better team than how we made them look today.
Our defensive line was outstanding, as was the entire defense, from the DC’s play calling to the general toughness and resilience shown by the guys in creating a play to win this game. We made a lot of open field tackles and broke up pass plays that we would have whiffed on in years past. Also we had 11 hats on the football. I believe our defense really benefitted from playing against the Navy offense, which reaffirms the importance of these BCS games. Lastly this was a good win for the PL against the CAA. I can only imagine if we had true parity with that league. Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 16:04:54 GMT -5
Offensive play calling, clock management, and protection started out very bad but unlike other seasons we seemed to make adjustments and improve. Things opened up and the tempo changed when we stopped jamming up the middle and did some play action and got the ball to the sidelines on options and swing passes. This opened up a little more of the run game and downfield passing. I have no comment on that one high risk trick play that could have backfired about 4 times. CD played a very smart, solid game, and I like him a lot at QB. He got out of trouble and kept cool on a few occasions where he could have made a rookie mistake. UNH is a much better team than how we made them look today. Our defensive line was outstanding, as was the entire defense, from the DC’s play calling to the general toughness and resilience shown by the guys in creating a play to win this game. We made a lot of open field tackles and broke up pass plays that we would have whiffed on in years past. Also we had 11 hats on the football. I believe our defense really benefitted from playing against the Navy offense, which reaffirms the importance of these BCS games. Lastly this was a good win for the PL against the CAA. I can only imagine if we had true parity with that league. Wow. What aspects of play calling, clock management, or protection improved over the course of the game? The offense did absolutely nothing, made zero adjustments, and defied all logic in key situations. I am all for congratulating the defense, but let's not start making things up about the other side of the ball because UNH fumbled in the end zone.
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Post by joe on Sept 7, 2019 16:11:29 GMT -5
Offensive play calling, clock management, and protection started out very bad but unlike other seasons we seemed to make adjustments and improve. Things opened up and the tempo changed when we stopped jamming up the middle and did some play action and got the ball to the sidelines on options and swing passes. This opened up a little more of the run game and downfield passing. I have no comment on that one high risk trick play that could have backfired about 4 times. CD played a very smart, solid game, and I like him a lot at QB. He got out of trouble and kept cool on a few occasions where he could have made a rookie mistake. UNH is a much better team than how we made them look today. Our defensive line was outstanding, as was the entire defense, from the DC’s play calling to the general toughness and resilience shown by the guys in creating a play to win this game. We made a lot of open field tackles and broke up pass plays that we would have whiffed on in years past. Also we had 11 hats on the football. I believe our defense really benefitted from playing against the Navy offense, which reaffirms the importance of these BCS games. Lastly this was a good win for the PL against the CAA. I can only imagine if we had true parity with that league. Wow. What aspects of play calling, clock management, or protection improved over the course of the game? The offense did absolutely nothing and made zero adjustments. I am all for congratulating the defense, but let's not start making things up because UNH fumbled in the end zone. [ For one, we were letting rushers in unimpeded at the start of the game. I saw several totally missed assignments. We cleaned this up extremely well. Once we opened up the playbook past page 1 we managed to at least get some drives going and keep the defense off the field. That being said, there were still some strings of really lackluster play-calling, particularly after that one long gainer where we just did that shotgun RPO dive up the middle for a loss several times in a row. We were aided by steady although not flashy performance by CD. We did enough to win, whereas in recent years this game would have either turned into a blowout late or been lost in gut wrenching fashion in the end. That being said - we do need some serious work on getting the ball into the hands of our playmakers. We have great talent and speed at WR and need to get the ball out there. We also need to spread the field more on options, sweeps, and swing passes. The predictability of our 1st down play calling needs to change. We need to get to 2nd and short and really open up the playbook even more.
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 7, 2019 16:18:48 GMT -5
I don't think it's objectively fair to say that we made any serious offensive adjustments in this game, period.
Also, when we had the ball with a minute left, even the announcers essentially acknowledged that it would be impossible for us to run the ball for a first down.
With less than a minute left we are handing the ball off out of the shotgun formation - Come on, that is absolute clown business.
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Post by joe on Sept 7, 2019 16:24:15 GMT -5
I don’t like the shotgun handoff either. Didn’t like it under the Gimore regime either.
I appreciate your opinions and you both may be right. I’m not saying I think our play calling and adjustments were great, but at least there were some, subtle as they were. This gives me hope that we are capable of continued improvement. We had some key conversions as well, especially a rally nice pass play on 4th and 5 to keep the drive alive which eventually pinned UNH at their goal line for our D to make that play.
It’s not all cupcakes and lollipops but this was a great win.
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Post by gks on Sept 7, 2019 16:35:54 GMT -5
This team has two young, stud linebackers. That position should be solid for years to come.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 7, 2019 16:37:50 GMT -5
We've played FBS and CAA. It will be interesting to see the level Yale is at as defending league champs but also in their first game, but also at home. How many FB teams open up against three teams' first game over a four week stretch with a bye in week three. It's possibly never happened before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 16:39:41 GMT -5
I don’t like the shotgun handoff either. Didn’t like it under the Gimore regime either. I appreciate your opinions and you both may be right. I’m not saying I think our play calling and adjustments were great, but at least there were some, subtle as they were. This gives me hope that we are capable of continued improvement. We had some key conversions as well, especially a rally nice pass play on 4th and 5 to keep the drive alive which eventually pinned UNH at their goal line for our D to make that play. It’s not all cupcakes and lollipops but this was a great win. So with that strategy, I guess HC should line up in Shotgun Spread at the 1 and just lay the ball on the ground. It's better than a punt and pins the opponent deep in their own territory. You do understand that HC lined up in Shotgun spread inside the 10 for 4 straight plays before turning it over with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter? Had UNH not fumbled in their own end zone (doing the same bulls*it we are doing), the discussions on this board would be very different. I am not trying to be a negative nancy, but saying the offense "progressed" is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 7, 2019 16:47:37 GMT -5
Before we run this out to 20 pages with the same post about the shotgun, let’s all agree that using the shotgun on every play of the game regardless of down, distance or field position is not something any of us thinks is a good idea. If you agree, just like this post and save a lot of electronic trees.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 7, 2019 16:50:36 GMT -5
UMass losing to FCS Southern Illinois 31-13 in Amherst. This day is getting sunnier and sunnier. UMass Band sounds great on the radio as usual.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 7, 2019 16:52:02 GMT -5
This team has two young, stud linebackers. That position should be solid for years to come. But do we have enough of them?
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 7, 2019 16:57:43 GMT -5
I thought that #97 Jason Modak fell on top of the ball in the end zone for the TD after the UNH RB fumbled--but apparently that was not counted as a TD and thankfully Joe Lang had his usual "nose for the ball" and covered it before it rolled out over the back line I was sitting next to Jason Modak's Mom and Dad, They both felt Jason did something but we couldn't see anything...Mom was so excited, she didn't care what really happened, but decided Jason did something!!..Nice people.. Good to get the win, any win is good..The D was very good all afternoon...Just a few breakdowns..
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Post by gks on Sept 7, 2019 17:07:27 GMT -5
Is Duffner’s OC available?? I’ll take him any day of the week over the current one-even if he’s old. Chesney’s fate is tied to his unimaginative OC. Duffner's OC had Jeff Wiley and Tom Ciaccio as his quarterbacks. Situation today is a little different.
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