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Post by bison137 on Oct 16, 2019 15:27:54 GMT -5
I think the preseason poll has the projected finish of the teams about right. In known returning talent we are definitely behind everyone else. Hopefully there is hidden talent on the roster that will come to the forefront and prove the prognosticators wrong. I think Loyola has a chance to be very good if there highly touted Euro frosh is as good as advertised. TWO highly touted Euro frosh, both of whom started for the Spanish team that won the Euro U18 championship. The shorter of the two is 6-8, and both are highly ranked.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 16, 2019 15:33:46 GMT -5
I think a couple of the magazines (among Lindy's, Athlon, Sporting News) had Rapolas as projected POY. Eight of the last ten POYs have been bigs (and all of the last ten conference champs have had a big who was POY and/or 1st team all-conference). Who was the last point guard to win POY? Last pure PG to win it was Derrick Mercer in 2009. CJ McCollum played some point, and he won it in 2010 and 2012. The last player who wasn't a big man was Bucknell wing Cam Ayers, who won it in 2014. Zach Thomas was nominally a PF, but most of his game was played outside. He won it in 2018. Between 2004 and 2010, the award mostly went to SG's and wings.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 16, 2019 15:40:53 GMT -5
McCollum ? Was he considered a point ? He was considered a two, but as I mentioned, he did play some PG, particularly in 2011. At that time, Mackey McKnight was a frosh and only averaged about 20-24 mpg. McCollum frequently handled the ball when McKnight was out. As a freshman, junior, and senior, McCollum only played a little PG.
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Post by cfrivals on Oct 16, 2019 16:03:17 GMT -5
I think the preseason poll has the projected finish of the teams about right. In known returning talent we are definitely behind everyone else. Hopefully there is hidden talent on the roster that will come to the forefront and prove the prognosticators wrong. I think Loyola has a chance to be very good if there highly touted Euro frosh is as good as advertised. HC was a 10th place team that lost 2/3 of its scoring. I'm not sure where else an objective person would place them. Polls are based on knowns. This is a team full of unknowns. The currently projected starters include two freshmen and a kid who has seen 20 minutes of college ball. Besides that, new systems on both O and D. In terms of projections unknowns are bad. Maybe some of those unknowns are diamonds in the rough. That includes a coach who is not only new to us, but has never been a head coach anywhere else Tom, Totally agree. The team last year was not that good and we lost quite a bit. We want to think that Nelson is a new breed of coach and we will recruit better all around players, but that will take time. This 10 plus year hole will take a while to fill
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Post by Sader Fan on Oct 16, 2019 16:04:46 GMT -5
Speaking of polls, I believe Colgate was projected to win the Patriot League in football In the preseason poll and they haven’t won a game all year
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Post by dadominate on Oct 16, 2019 16:19:50 GMT -5
i would be very surprised if we finish in last... and i am certainly no pollyanna. i see us middle of the pack in the league.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2019 16:24:31 GMT -5
ado...I agree. HC may take its lumps early on , but if Coach Nelson is as good as some feel he can be, the team will get better through the year and make some noise come end of season playoff time, IMHO.
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Post by sader81 on Oct 16, 2019 16:29:46 GMT -5
Poll is meaningless. The team won’t finish last, i’ll take book on it.. They won’t finish first, either. They are a year away from being very good, and will be better than we expect. Going to be fun to watch this year!
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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2019 16:29:48 GMT -5
dado...I agree. HC will take pups early on , but if Coach Nelson is as good as she felt he can be, they will get better through the season and are some noise coe end of season playoff time, IMHO. pups ? she ? Felt
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2019 16:42:08 GMT -5
Let's see if I can overcome spellcheck: (which changed "overcook" to "overlook")
dado...I agree. HC may take its lumps early on , but if Coach Nelson is as good as some feel he can be, the team will get better through the year and make some noise come end of season playoff time, IMHO.
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Post by possum on Oct 16, 2019 16:44:45 GMT -5
Dado are you basing your prediction on the league being really bad, or that Carmody did a terrible job developing players and there are hidden gems in the program that Nelson will meld into a winning team. I hope for the best but will be stunned if we finish in the middle of the pack.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 16, 2019 16:46:28 GMT -5
We've gotten a very good first impression of Nelson' recruiting skill. I liked the way he ran the practice we watched. But we don't have much of an idea of how the Xs and Os will go, and none about how he will prepare for and handle games.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 16, 2019 16:59:23 GMT -5
HC was a 10th place team that lost 2/3 of its scoring. I'm not sure where else an objective person would place them. Polls are based on knowns. This is a team full of unknowns. The currently projected starters include two freshmen and a kid who has seen 20 minutes of college ball. Besides that, new systems on both O and D. In terms of projections unknowns are bad. Maybe some of those unknowns are diamonds in the rough. That includes a coach who is not only new to us, but has never been a head coach anywhere else Tom, Totally agree. The team last year was not that good and we lost quite a bit. We want to think that Nelson is a new breed of coach and we will recruit better all around players, but that will take time. This 10 plus year hole will take a while to fill I agree and disagree at the same time. We have a deep hole, but there are kids that can play on this roster. Never under estimate the ability of a new coach and two players to significantly impact the approach and outcome. These kids need to learn how to win, buy into the new system, and develop. Unlike many I think we are closer to success than being doomed to the lower third of the league. offensively we can shoot the ball, we have more depth although it is inexperienced in the backcourt, rebounding should be vastly improved and playing man will expose early warts but once the team adjusts it could be significantly better. The OOC schedule is on the average side so there are opportunities to steal a game or two early. Hoops can turn turn fast with one or two impact players and we might have one freshman this year in that category. Willing to bet bet this group plays harder and is more physical than the past few teams and while the OOC results might not be as positive, I think we go .500 or better in the PL I am looking for Butler, Niego and Wade to have impressive years and others like Faw and Copeland to develop and play important roles,
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 16, 2019 17:19:11 GMT -5
Oh my, how things have changed 2019-20 Patriot League Men's Basketball Preseason Poll 1. Colgate, 162 points (18 first-place votes) 2. Bucknell, 130 3. American, 126 (2) 4. Loyola Maryland, 98 5. Boston University, 97 6. Army West Point, 86 7. Lehigh, 84 8. Lafayette, 55 9. Navy, 41 10. Holy Cross, 21 Over $700K paid annually to Pine and Carmody to turn the Holy Cross basketball program into Lafayette or Emmet Davis’s Colgate program, and those who didn’t like the direction they were taking HC in were called “haters.” Blossom and Nelson have a major amount of work on their hands, but both already appear exponentially better than their predecessors. Fingers crossed that this trend continues.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 16, 2019 17:53:33 GMT -5
I tend to think along the lines of efg72. Regardless, I'm just looking forward to a new burst of energy that I think we will start to experience.
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 16, 2019 19:17:33 GMT -5
Let's see if I can overcome spellcheck: (which changed "overcook" to "overlook") dado...I agree. HC may take its lumps early on , but if Coach Nelson is as good as some feel he can be, the team will get better through the year and make some noise come end of season playoff time, IMHO. Aw, c’mon, the fist one was butter. What fin is readying something wear all the woods comb out rigged?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2019 19:33:02 GMT -5
Good one...a lot of fin.
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 17, 2019 6:53:04 GMT -5
Safe to say the FHCBC experiment by FADNP after 2016 was a complete disaster. Hope Nelson is the right fit.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2019 7:26:10 GMT -5
I am not sure that a coach who took the team to a PL Tournament Championship and last season to an early season tournament victory can be. called a "complete" disaster by anyone judging this impartially. FCSK, well that could earn a complete disaster title. I share your hope that Nelson is the right fit.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 17, 2019 8:00:05 GMT -5
I am hoping Nelson’s first year is like Chesney’s. New culture. New attitude. New approach to how we will play. Play our best ball at the end of the year and head into next season with a ton of momentum.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Oct 17, 2019 8:21:15 GMT -5
Living in the Albany area I witnessed last year what a change in head coach can do for a team. I see a lot of similarities between Siena and Jamion Christian and Holy Cross and Brett Nelson. Siena had a mass exodus of talent after Patsos was fired last year and was projected to finish near the bottom of the MAAC. Christian implemented a system that played to his team's strengths and was much more detailed oriented than his predecessor. For all of the glass half empty posters, there is reason for some optimism.
I see a lot of similarities with Holy Cross and could see a middle of the pack finish....the question will be is there a Jalen Pickett on this team?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 17, 2019 8:26:22 GMT -5
I am not sure that a coach who took the team to a PL Tournament Championship and last season to an early season tournament victory can be. called a "complete" disaster by anyone judging this impartially. FCSK, well that could earn a complete disaster title. I share your hope that Nelson is the right fit. HC has had 17 coaches in its history (18 now with HCBN). 14 coaches had a better winning % than Carmody. Beating Stony Brook and Siena to win some early season tournament as a big accomplishment of the program under Carmody tells me everything I need to know.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2019 8:46:49 GMT -5
It is clearly an accomplishment, even if not a "big" one. That you see FCBC's tenure as a "complete disaster" tells me everyone I need to know about your fixation with finding fault That you chose ignore the mention of the PLT Championship (and our NCAA win for the first time in over 50 years) also shows a less than objective view.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Oct 17, 2019 8:50:47 GMT -5
It is clearly an accomplishment, even if not a "big" one. That you see FCBC's tenure as a "complete disaster" tells me everyone I need to know about your fixation with finding fault That you chose ignore the mention of the PLT Championship (and our NCAA win for the first time in over 50 years) also shows a less than objective view. The PLT was clearly an anomaly when you look at Carmody's whole body of work.... ...and that NCAA win was over a team that would have been mid-level in the PL.....I would argue CMB's win over Harvard when they were a top 25 was more impressive.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2019 8:58:15 GMT -5
No argument there. But Carmody's team did win both. FCMB's win over Harvard was indeed a good one.
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