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Post by dharry13 on Oct 19, 2019 15:13:14 GMT -5
Real solid second half. More work to over last 5. I like this team. I like their fight. Colgate next week. Let’s get to 4-4
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 19, 2019 15:13:37 GMT -5
How many sacks today? Maybe a new record? Harvard was one sack away of tying the record for opponent sacks. The record is Fordham with six in 2016.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 19, 2019 15:17:33 GMT -5
Our players lost this game not the coaches - giving H the ball in our 35, 22 and 3 yard lines led to 17 points - if you follow recruiting you know that H has better (and more) players than we do. We're only in our 2nd full recruiting cycle getting better players than the previous coach got for us - hey, it's pretty simple - we had to play a error free game to win this one and we didn't - they were better just like to top of the Ivy league is superior to the top half of the PL - Let's admit that
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 19, 2019 16:07:25 GMT -5
Our players lost this game not the coaches - giving H the ball in our 35, 22 and 3 yard lines led to 17 points - if you follow recruiting you know that H has better (and more) players than we do. We're only in our 2nd full recruiting cycle getting better players than the previous coach got for us - hey, it's pretty simple - we had to play a error free game to win this one and we didn't - they were better just like to top of the Ivy league is superior to the top half of the PL - Let's admit that " it's pretty simple - we had to play a error free game to win this one and we didn't - they were better just like to top of the Ivy league is superior to the top half of the PL - Let's admit that" nope, harvard outplayed us today. that's it!!!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 19, 2019 16:11:08 GMT -5
Attendance 10383 (if I remember correctly). Not all of whom managed to find their seats. Announcers made mention of the ongoing tailgating, and watching the game over the Internet.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 19, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5
To put our win over Brown into perspective - Princeton scored 51 points in the first half today at Brown and accumulated 429 yards on 53 plays - Was the Degenhardt we saw today closer to reality ? it certainly looks like it but I hope not if we want to win this league title
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Post by hc80 on Oct 19, 2019 18:17:23 GMT -5
It was a wonderful day at Fitton Field. My daughter ‘08 was able to attend her first Homecoming game in 12 years. My son, ‘10 joined in as usual and the tailgate and festivities were just a blast. The football- just awful. Again, a couple of plays the defense wishes it had back, but another good performance by them. The rest - not so much.
1. The offensive line and in particular the RT and RG were dominated by Harvard. Not just beat - dominated 2. Play calling - Murphy is still employed? Really? 3. QB play remains a mystery. Not sure there is much progress halfway through the season 4. The College should be ashamed - small bushes in front of the Crusaders logo. Really? Just pitiful 5. Wish there was a reason the folks on the baseball field tailgating wanted to be in stands - there really wasn’t 6. Coach Chesney better figure out the offensive problems. You can only rest on your Salve Regina successes for so long
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Post by hc87 on Oct 19, 2019 18:18:03 GMT -5
Just got back....picture perfect day for Homecoming....unfortunately we aren't ready for prime-time yet. Offense reverted to early season form....turnovahs were a bridge too far to overcome. Harvard is solid, not sure what happened to them at San Diego.
On to the PL.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 19, 2019 19:15:30 GMT -5
Beautiful game day experience partially offset the actual game. My friend who has MS joined my brother and me. Quite pleased that "ADA" parking is free on the top of the parking garage with an elevator down to stadium level. There is a convenient ramp to seating on the visitor's side.
We sat with three Octogenarian Harvard faithful. One mentioned that HC kept scholarships but dropped "Spring ball" in the 1960s to keep playing the Ivies. I wasn't sure that was accurate, but didn't challenge it.
Crimson fans have their laments, too. Apparently the traditional Friday lunch for H&Y fans before "The Game" is no more because there is no more Friday afternoon Freshman and JV games to watch. Doesn't rise to our lament over the Big East, but interesting.
Music selection by the DJ much improved imo, the Band sounded great and the baton twirler is absolutely aces with real flaming batons in the outdoor environment. She is PL Twirler of the year.
One shock was the absence of the century old men's room trough style latrine. When did that get replaced? I hope HC put some effort in to sell it to an Antique dealer or to a movie studio prop department or something. They aren't making those anymore.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 19, 2019 19:18:48 GMT -5
The statement about dropping Spring Practice to keep,playing the Ivies is true
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 20, 2019 7:14:44 GMT -5
It was a wonderful day at Fitton Field. My daughter ‘08 was able to attend her first Homecoming game in 12 years. My son, ‘10 joined in as usual and the tailgate and festivities were just a blast. The football- just awful. Again, a couple of plays the defense wishes it had back, but another good performance by them. The rest - not so much. 1. The offensive line and in particular the RT and RG were dominated by Harvard. Not just beat - dominated 2. Play calling - Murphy is still employed? Really? 3. QB play remains a mystery. Not sure there is much progress halfway through the season 4. The College should be ashamed - small bushes in front of the Crusaders logo. Really? Just pitiful 5. Wish there was a reason the folks on the baseball field tailgating wanted to be in stands - there really wasn’t 6. Coach Chesney better figure out the offensive problems. You can only rest on your Salve Regina successes for so long Some good points, but Coach Chesney also turned around the program at Assumption after Salve Regina. Your sarcasm is noted, but try to be accurate. No one is judging him on Salve Regina.
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Post by hc80 on Oct 20, 2019 7:55:51 GMT -5
rgs,
Totally correct - he should not be judged on Salve Regina or Assumption. But if we judge him on results to date, the mid term grade is definitely not an A. He needs to fix the fiasco of the offense. If there is no talent - then he deserves a break on the criticism and give him time to stop a few more weapons. But with two All-PL offensive lineman, decent speed, some RBs with power, I certainly think our shoddy offensive performance can only be laid on the coaching staff. The QB has not improved after seven games - the scheme and play calling is atrocious. Let’s see the Salve Regina and Assumption magic - and I appreciated that you noted the sarcasm.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 20, 2019 8:10:17 GMT -5
The team is still a work in progress. Going into yesterday's game, there was a graphic on TV3 of Chesney's record at HC to date. While he was indeed under .500, they made the point that if you just counted FCS games, taking out the 3 FBS games (BC, Navy, Syracuse) he had a winning record. Not way over, but over .500.
Let's give him credit for recruiting and playing some great defense. Offense, to my eyes, still not there but seems to be improving. [See my comments on KY's thread on where/how to improve]
One total tangent about the game yesterday, I believe some posters were questioning the Harvard low snaps. It appeared to me that this was by design because they were consistently low, shoe top level quite often and my impression was that was to "hide" the play better. It seemed to work well, especially in the first half.
I again want to point out that we had 14 tackles for loss and 4 sacks yesterday.
P.S. Stadium stinks! Since I normally go to all the home games and many away games, I haven't needed to watch many games there. But, when you miss half of the 3rd quarter and a number of other spots at crucial times, just inexcusable unless you subscribe to the idea "you get what you pay for."
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 20, 2019 8:57:46 GMT -5
Stadium is awful. I thought it was just my computer, but I see that tis not the case. I also cannot use Apple TV - when I try, it freezes. HC (and the PL) must do better.
Interesting point about the consistently low snaps (except for a couple that were far too high. I never thought. it could have been intentional.
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Post by joe on Oct 20, 2019 9:05:48 GMT -5
I really wanted a Wendy’s hamburger after watching about 97 commercials for them on Stadium.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 20, 2019 9:18:38 GMT -5
rgs, Totally correct - he should not be judged on Salve Regina or Assumption. But if we judge him on results to date, the mid term grade is definitely not an A. He needs to fix the fiasco of the offense. If there is no talent - then he deserves a break on the criticism and give him time to stop a few more weapons. But with two All-PL offensive lineman, decent speed, some RBs with power, I certainly think our shoddy offensive performance can only be laid on the coaching staff. The QB has not improved after seven games - the scheme and play calling is atrocious. Let’s see the Salve Regina and Assumption magic - and I appreciated that you noted the sarcasm. I think there are several above-average PL players on our squad (I would not say we have no talent relative to our PL competition). As a matter of fact, we may have one of the most talented teams in the Patriot League this year. (I definitely agree that our running game should do very well v our PL competition provided all three backs and our O-line are healthy.) The fact that we have two All-PL offensive lineman and the fact that our offensive linemen did not dominate against Harvard (or Yale) is not necessarily a contradiction.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 20, 2019 9:24:29 GMT -5
rgs, Totally correct - he should not be judged on Salve Regina or Assumption. But if we judge him on results to date, the mid term grade is definitely not an A. He needs to fix the fiasco of the offense. If there is no talent - then he deserves a break on the criticism and give him time to stop a few more weapons. But with two All-PL offensive lineman, decent speed, some RBs with power, I certainly think our shoddy offensive performance can only be laid on the coaching staff. The QB has not improved after seven games - the scheme and play calling is atrocious. Let’s see the Salve Regina and Assumption magic - and I appreciated that you noted the sarcasm. Yeah, other than those two games where he was selected as Patriot League Offensive Player of the Week. In my opinion, CD has improved a great deal.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 20, 2019 9:49:06 GMT -5
Stadium is awful. I thought it was just my computer, but I see that tis not the case. I also cannot use Apple TV - when I try, it freezes. HC (and the PL) must do better. Interesting point about the consistently low snaps (except for a couple that were far too high. I never thought. it could have been intentional. I tend to think that the problem with Stadium was the Channel 3 feed. While Stadium was out in Worcester, I watched Lafayette-Colgate and Fordham Lehigh, and HC women's soccer at Lehigh. Interesting point on the low snaps. Retrospectively, I agree. Otherwise, TIM Murphy would have pulled the center after the first several and asked what was going on.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 20, 2019 9:56:55 GMT -5
rgs, Totally correct - he should not be judged on Salve Regina or Assumption. But if we judge him on results to date, the mid term grade is definitely not an A. He needs to fix the fiasco of the offense. If there is no talent - then he deserves a break on the criticism and give him time to stop a few more weapons. But with two All-PL offensive lineman, decent speed, some RBs with power, I certainly think our shoddy offensive performance can only be laid on the coaching staff. The QB has not improved after seven games - the scheme and play calling is atrocious. Let’s see the Salve Regina and Assumption magic - and I appreciated that you noted the sarcasm. Yeah, other than those two games where he was selected as Patriot League Offensive Player of the Week. In my opinion, CD has improved a great deal. I don't know. Picking two of our most similar opponents - Yale and Harvard - did it look like he was playing better yesterday? (I actually don't know, I'm just tossing it out there since comparing his Brown performance to Syracuse or Navy is unhelpful in this regard.) (21 SEP) Yale 10 (comp) 27 (att) 145 (yds)1 (TD) 0 (INT) 47 (long) 3 (sacks) (19 OCT) Harvard: 16 38 206 1 1 32 5
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Post by trimster on Oct 20, 2019 10:39:40 GMT -5
Stadium TV is terrible. I thought that HC was dedicated to achieving excellence in all its endeavors. The football program may not be big time but that is no excuse for the low level poor Stadium feed. HC should achieve excellence in everything. And, I quote:"Stadium stinks!" I find many of the comments by our arm chair coaches quite "amusing." Allowing for the fact that I was not able to see much of the game ( Thanks to Stadium) here are my opinions. Harvard was a better team. They are a powerhouse. HC is not there, YET. HC's fumbles were a disaster. HC has a decent team. The team is a work in progress. Let's hope they show up in PL games. The qb is developing quite nicely. The offense is improving and the "D" remains stalwart. The malicious and vicious comments about Coach Chesney and the coaching staff - Div.III, Salve Regina and all that...- are inappropriate and uncalled for. I wish that our "know it all" arm chair coaches would stop their shameful personal criticisms of our fine young coach and his staff.. I suggest that we avoid the personal and keep our criticisms focused on the coaching, not the coaches. Yesterday, was tough for me - both HC and my beloved Yankees lost. (The first decade in over 100 years that the Yankees will not have appeared in a WS.) The universe is most assuredly out of its proper balance. LoveHC I thought I felt the earth tilt on its axis last night.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 20, 2019 13:24:29 GMT -5
This is not intended to be a criticism, but more of a general observation and question regarding the RB rotations. For the record I think the four RBs (Cozier, Oliver, Forrest and Alexander) are good players.
When watching the game yesterday, I thought about the way we were attacking the quickness and aggressiveness of the Harvard defense and wondered if we used Cozier more or a combination of Cozier and Forrest would the offense have been more successful?
Naturally, the other option was to consider featuring Oliver. If we decided to use Oliver, however, I think he needs to have 20 plus touches, especially against the quicker teams to slow the aggressiveness of the defensive front and linebackers.
Anyway just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:37:30 GMT -5
This is not intended to be a criticism, but more of a general observation and question regarding the RB rotations. For the record I think the four RBs (Cozier, Oliver, Forrest and Alexander) are good players. When watching the game yesterday, I thought about the way we were attacking the quickness and aggressiveness of the Harvard defense and wondered if we used Cozier more or a combination of Cozier and Forrest would the offense have been more successful? Naturally, the other option was to consider featuring Oliver. If we decided to use Oliver, however, I think he needs to have 20 plus touches, especially against the quicker teams to slow the aggressiveness of the defensive front and linebackers. Anyway just a thought Oliver would be better suited as a FB or TE (like his Dad). This current system does not favor his natural talents of running downhill or blocking. Actually, the current offensive system does not consistently utilize anyone's strengths since the OC doesn't understand how to game plan, adjust, or find creative ways to get his best players the ball. If we set up an alumni game tomorrow with guys in their 30's and 40's, we would beat the brakes off of the current offensive system running a basic Cover 2. Think about it. There is no downhill run threat, no fullbacks, no power, no play-action, and 97% of routes are 3 yards down the field. Wouldn't even be sore.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 20, 2019 13:53:04 GMT -5
Funniest post of the year—well done!!!
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Post by timholycross on Oct 20, 2019 16:17:35 GMT -5
I do have a question about Stadium- it's a channel on my antenna band (i.e. free tv).
How does it work from there- is there some way to select a specific game or you only get to watch what they decide to put out there "free"?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 20, 2019 16:48:26 GMT -5
Stadium is awful. I thought it was just my computer, but I see that tis not the case. I also cannot use Apple TV - when I try, it freezes. HC (and the PL) must do better. Interesting point about the consistently low snaps (except for a couple that were far too high. I never thought. it could have been intentional. I tend to think that the problem with Stadium was the Channel 3 feed. While Stadium was out in Worcester, I watched Lafayette-Colgate and Fordham Lehigh, and HC women's soccer at Lehigh. Interesting point on the low snaps. Retrospectively, I agree. Otherwise, TIM Murphy wojuld have pulled the center after the first several and asked what was going on. A Spectrum Sports or Spectrum TV van was parked at Fitton yesterday so the game was probably produced by Spectrum owned TV3 and picked up by Stadium. If there are no reports of TV3's broadcast going out for the people who get that directly, then the problem was lost in translation between the two entities and more likely to be an issue with TV3 I would guess.
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