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Post by hchoops on Nov 14, 2019 17:40:54 GMT -5
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 15, 2019 6:40:48 GMT -5
Don’t agree with this at all. Knew the commitment going to the academies just like HC’s NROTC program. They’re there to become military officers first and foremost. Also, don’t like their ability to payoff their education after a pro career while their fellow students serve in harm’s way. Semper Fidelis, ductus exemplo!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 15, 2019 7:10:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure what all the brou-ha-ha is about, I am sure that many athletes could develop bone spurs and not need to serve in the military.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 15, 2019 7:25:54 GMT -5
Don’t agree with this at all. Knew the commitment going to the academies just like HC’s NROTC program. They’re there to become military officers first and foremost. Also, don’t like their ability to payoff their education after a pro career while their fellow students serve in harm’s way. Semper Fidelis, ductus exemplo! I agree 100%.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2019 7:49:36 GMT -5
I think Napoleon McCallum was able to serve and play at the same time (at least for a few years) and David Robinson's active service was cut short (due to excessive height as I recall) so this has been a balancing act for quite some time. And there have been changes in all directions since then. I'd expect this recent policy decision to change and evolve as it has in the past.
As a general rule I'd like to see the graduating athletes serve the same as their graduating classmates (understanding that their classmates serve in a variety of billets).
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Post by gks on Nov 15, 2019 8:11:31 GMT -5
Doesn't the long snapper on the Pats still have Naval duties in Newport? They can serve part time or reserves. These athletes are great ambassadors for he academies. No problem with this.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 15, 2019 9:40:59 GMT -5
As reported this policy and process doesn’t seem much different than before.
Mattis’ policy statement has always been the starting point, i.e. emphasis on unit cohesion and taxpayer expense. But he seemed to deemphasize the ‘public relations mission’ aspect. This statement brings it in specifically but seems to deemphasize the unit cohesion aspect… not surprising for this administration.
New aspect - the specifics on repayment… seem appropriate in the pro sports context but raises a cohesion question about buying your way out of a commitment especially in a time of war.
Other Questions
- are non pro sports e.g. ‘Olympic’ sports, included? traditionally they been a place that military personnel have been given duty assignments if not waivers that allow them to prepare. - are ROTC students, cadets/midshipmen included? Included in President’s statement but not SecDoD’s. Like the USNA, NROTC midshipmen have a 5-year active duty commitment; longer if they volunteer for subs or aviation. For non-scholarship mids it is a 3-year commitment.
The Noah Song case seems to fit into this policy. He would renew his annual request for a waiver to postpone his active duty commitment. SecNav would evaluate/justify the request considering the Navy’s recruiting/public affairs mission then forward it to Sec DoD for a disposition that could be reviewed a year later.
Does this have any real impact on the Military Academies' recruiting?
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Post by matunuck on Nov 15, 2019 10:46:13 GMT -5
Doesn't the long snapper on the Pats still have Naval duties in Newport? They can serve part time or reserves. These athletes are great ambassadors for he academies. No problem with this. You are correct and on point.
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2019 12:27:30 GMT -5
Roger Staubach was able to fulfill his service and play pro ball
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David Robinson was a unique case. He grew a lot while in college. I remember reading an article where the Academy said he really should have been given a medical discharge. In large part because of the great publicity he was giving the academy, he was allowed to stay but had a shortened commitment. On a silly side note, the article which was from his senior year had a photo of Robinson on a summer cruise in a submarine. That had to be tough duty
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 15, 2019 22:15:47 GMT -5
presumably this is intended primarily to boost service academies recruitment of athletic prospects.
right now a high school recruit considering a potential professional athletic career (don't they all?) will likely turn down a service academy in favor of a school without a post grad commitment. they will be told that they can now go directly into a pro career upon graduation.
a sign of the times?
why make this change now?
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 20, 2019 13:02:06 GMT -5
I think Napoleon McCallum was able to serve and play at the same time (at least for a few years) and David Robinson's active service was cut short (due to excessive height as I recall) so this has been a balancing act for quite some time. And there have been changes in all directions since then. I'd expect this recent policy decision to change and evolve as it has in the past. As a general rule I'd like to see the graduating athletes serve the same as their graduating classmates (understanding that their classmates serve in a variety of billets). "Captain America", Roger Stauback, is the best example of how to do it right!
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2019 13:07:02 GMT -5
Absolutely.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 20, 2019 17:50:17 GMT -5
presumably this is intended primarily to boost service academies recruitment of athletic prospects. right now a high school recruit considering a potential professional athletic career (don't they all?) will likely turn down a service academy in favor of a school without a post grad commitment. they will be told that they can now go directly into a pro career upon graduation. a sign of the times? why make this change now? a sign of the times?
why make this change now?
i would appreciate your comments on this rather than a trip down memory lane on service academy athletes who turned pro. thx,
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Post by hcnation on Dec 17, 2019 14:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 18, 2019 6:29:41 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that, but, as they say, he knew the rules when he signed up.
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 18, 2019 14:00:08 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that, but, as they say, he knew the rules when he signed up. i understand that students at the military academies as well as ROTC cadets in college can withdraw at any time during the first 2 years without any "consequences". starting the third year they sign a contract and are now in the military and must complete service even if they withdraw from school. if a student is developing as a potential pro athlete then he/she can withdraw before the 3rd year and pursue that goal. am i wrong?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 18, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -5
No, but there are also abuses by the academies. A few years ago, a graduating cadet failed the timed mile run. He had gained 25 pounds of weight to play the line for Army. He lost a small amount of weight for the second attempt, but he was not allowed to have anyone pace him (as is done when running in groups with the main cadet body). He ran a few seconds short. He lost his commission for physically being "unqualified: (yes, he was a starter for the football team and incredibly fit by most standards). He then wanted to serve as an enlisted man but was denied that opportunity because he had been labeled physically unfit. The capper is he was then presented a bill for four years of tuition since he had been told he could not fulfill his service commitment. The academies can be great, but they can also make things difficult on many levels.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 18, 2019 15:54:01 GMT -5
That is an astounding story
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