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Post by sarasota on Dec 8, 2019 12:05:19 GMT -5
I saw them down at the Boca tournament. They're tough. If we don't make significant improvements, it will be an L.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2019 15:21:41 GMT -5
Ken Pom projects Canisius to win by 11 with an 83% chance of victory. Assuming we beat UMass Boston, I think we'll need to beat either Canisius on the road or Sacred Heart in Worcester or we'll see some posters begin to call for Coach Nelson's head.
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Post by trimster on Dec 8, 2019 15:29:25 GMT -5
Ken Pom projects Canisius to win by 11 with an 83% chance of victory. Assuming we beat UMass Boston, I think we'll need to beat either Canisius on the road or Sacred Heart in Worcester or we'll see some posters begin to call for Coach Nelson's head. You must be kidding, right.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 8, 2019 16:50:30 GMT -5
WAY too early to give up on HCBN, Needs a full season under his belt and see the recruits.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2019 17:36:43 GMT -5
Only one season? I would say he gets two...at a minimum to show what he can do with this program.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2019 17:40:21 GMT -5
I agree--but I believe others will pounce very soon if the losses continue
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 8, 2019 17:41:38 GMT -5
Ken Pom projects Canisius to win by 11 with an 83% chance of victory. Assuming we beat UMass Boston, I think we'll need to beat either Canisius on the road or Sacred Heart in Worcester or we'll see some posters begin to call for Coach Nelson's head. Kind of doubt it.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2019 18:18:36 GMT -5
Well, since he’s not here, let me say on behalf of HC70 that all coaches should have 4 years at least so they have all their own players. 😉
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Post by trimster on Dec 8, 2019 19:49:36 GMT -5
I agree--but I believe others will pounce very soon if the losses continue I don’t see that happening at all. Can’t believe it is actually being discussed. Stop the madness.
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Post by Tom on Dec 8, 2019 20:09:05 GMT -5
I agree--but I believe others will pounce very soon if the losses continue I don’t see that happening at all. Can’t believe it is actually being discussed. Stop the madness. You need more faith in this board's ability to take some wild positions. We could have some posters calling for the coach's head and others thinking he should get an extension.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 8, 2019 20:34:36 GMT -5
What’s the difference between the offense and defense as run by Nelson and Brown? Both favored man to man, and an uptempo offense. The offense is different, but the concept is the same.. Some here looked for Brown’s head before his first season was over. Bottom line, we can’t recruit or have the school accept the kind of athletes that would make that philosophy work. I didn’t think Brown’s approach would work, and I question Nelson’s similar philosophy. Nonetheless, he should be given several years to prove me wrong, which I was willing to give Brown
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Post by possum on Dec 8, 2019 20:39:55 GMT -5
KY I think you're letting your frustration get the better of you. Listen I can feel your pain, the last 10 years have been brutal and it looks like it's going to continue for a while longer. Nelson as a first time head coach couldn't have been dealt a tougher hand. I know I'm not surprised but what's transpired to date and anyone who thought Nelson would turn this around in year one wasn't thinking rationally. Nelson needs to be given time to completely turn this roster over before there should be any talk about a change and I think posters on this board are knowledgable enough to realize the situation Nelson inherited.
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Dec 8, 2019 21:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 8, 2019 21:37:13 GMT -5
What’s the difference between the offense and defense as run by Nelson and Brown? Both favored man to man, and an uptempo offense. The offense is different, but the concept is the same.. Some here looked for Brown’s head before his first season was over. Bottom line, we can’t recruit or have the school accept the kind of athletes that would make that philosophy work. I didn’t think Brown’s approach would work, and I question Nelson’s similar philosophy. Nonetheless, he should be given several years to prove me wrong, which I was willing to give Brown The “not athletic enough for man-to-man” thing is just so wrong. If a M2M is coached properly, with sound help and rotation techniques, and opponents are scouted properly so our players understand tendencies, there is no reason why we can’t play the defense.* The reason Milan’s teams couldn’t defend well is that they were poorly coached. The guys he recruited were plenty athletic enough — one is currently starting at Purdue for one of the toughest M2M coaches in the country, another is playing in the NBA — but without a scheme in place it doesn’t matter. *Caveat: This statement refers to when we have a legit D1 roster.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2019 21:41:05 GMT -5
What’s the difference between the offense and defense as run by Nelson and Brown? Both favored man to man, and an uptempo offense. The offense is different, but the concept is the same.. Some here looked for Brown’s head before his first season was over. Bottom line, we can’t recruit or have the school accept the kind of athletes that would make that philosophy work. I didn’t think Brown’s approach would work, and I question Nelson’s similar philosophy. Nonetheless, he should be given several years to prove me wrong, which I was willing to give Brown Some looked for Brown's head before he coached a game. They hated the school that he came from and never lied him.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 10, 2019 21:38:56 GMT -5
Ken Pom projects Canisius to win by 11 with an 83% chance of victory. Assuming we beat UMass Boston, I think we'll need to beat either Canisius on the road or Sacred Heart in Worcester or we'll see some posters begin to call for Coach Nelson's head. Well we managed to lose to D 3 UMass Boston. The calls may begin even sooner than I thought.....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 10, 2019 22:47:15 GMT -5
What’s the difference between the offense and defense as run by Nelson and Brown? Both favored man to man, and an uptempo offense. The offense is different, but the concept is the same.. Some here looked for Brown’s head before his first season was over. Bottom line, we can’t recruit or have the school accept the kind of athletes that would make that philosophy work. I didn’t think Brown’s approach would work, and I question Nelson’s similar philosophy. Nonetheless, he should be given several years to prove me wrong, which I was willing to give Brown Some looked for Brown's head before he coached a game. They hated the school that he came from and never lied him. I don’t think it was where he came from or who he is/was as a person, but rather having a career sub .500 record in a conference that is worse than the PL.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2019 12:00:22 GMT -5
Massey makes Canisius a 10 point favorite (67-77) with an 82% chance for the win.
The Grinffins are 4-4 and have not played from December 4th. They have wins against Bucknell (by 2), IL Chicago, St. Bonaventure and Mercer (by 10). Their losses were to Brown, SUNY Albany, Hofstra and FL Atlantic.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2019 12:18:56 GMT -5
CANISIUS: PROBABLE STARTERS 01 Johnson, Malik..........G (Sr, 5'10" 165) 14 ppg / 6 tog / 5 apg / 37 mpg 11 Harried, Armon..........G (Fr, 6'4" 185) 6 ppg / 3 rpg / 1 apg / 20 mpg 03 Henderson, Jordan....G (So, 6'5" 180) 9 ppg / 2 rpg / 3 apg / 30 mpg 10 Fritz, Jacco................F (Fr, 6'10" 190) 8 ppg / 5 rpg / 2 apg / 30 mpg 23 St. Louis, Dantai........F (Sr, 6'8" 235) 8 ppg / 5 rpg / 2 apg / 30 mpg
TOP SUBS; 04 White, Jalanni............F (Jr, 6'8" 213) 8 ppg / 3 rpg / 1 apg / 18 mpg 15 Brandon, Majesty.......G (Jr, 6'0" 165) 11 ppg / 4 rpg / 1 apg / 27 mpg 21 Hitchon, Scott............F (Jr, 6'8" 215) 7 ppg / 3 rpg / 0 apg / 14 mpg 02 Brown, Corey.............F (Sr, 6'8" 225) 4 ppg / 3 rpg / 1 apg / 15 mpg
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2019 12:33:17 GMT -5
A few additional stats: POINTS SCORED/GAME Can = 69 / Opp = 69 HC = 67 / Opp = 82
REBOUNDS/GAME CAN = 34 / Opp = 35 HC = 34 / Opp = 37
TURNOVERS/GAME CAN = 16 / Opp = 17 HC = 16 / Opp = 12 (if HC has over 20 turnovers, hang it up now)
Canisius shoots mostly 2 pt shots (446 2s to only 157 3s) They hit 45% overall (and 30% from 3 point range with only 45 3s in 8 games) Holy Cross has made 44% of FG overall (and 32% from 3 point range in 10 games - hiring 88 of 140)
STEALS Can = 68 for the year HC = 49 for the year (BUT HC has given up 84 steals)
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2019 12:47:38 GMT -5
Fritz is coming on strong as he gets more experience. He was MAAC Rookie of the Week for 3 straight weeks. From the Canisius website:
Fritz Earns Third-Straight MAAC Rookie of the Week Award
After averaging 11.0 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.5 assists per game last week in two Canisius wins, freshman forward Jacco Fritz has been chosen as the MAAC Rookie of the Week, the conference office announced Monday. This marks the first time in program history a Golden Griffin freshman has garnered this award in three-straight weeks, as Fritz was also honored Nov. 18 and Nov. 25. Fritz scored a career-high 16 points after going 5-for-5 from the floor and 6-for-8 from the free-throw line in Canisius' 76-66 victory over Mercer on Sunday in the first game of the Naismith Bracket at the Boca Raton Beach Classic in Boca Raton, Fla. The Tiel, Netherlands native started off the week Nov. 26 at UIC by scoring six points to go with three boards and a season-best five assists in the Griffs' 30-point road win over the Flames. For the week, he shot 70.0 percent (7-for-10) from the field and 66.7 percent (8-for-12) from the free-throw line.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2019 12:49:36 GMT -5
I (IMHO) have to believe this game will be won or lost in the paint. Canisius pushes the ball inside top their big men and we will see how well HC counters that. Perhaps a zone defense - if only to see how it works for our Crusaders.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 12, 2019 14:57:41 GMT -5
Here's a really deadly stat: Free Throws
Holy Cross= 9 for 14 average per game Opponents= 15 for 22 average per game
Tough to make up that 6 point deficit with field goals.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 14, 2019 6:30:39 GMT -5
Here's a really deadly stat: Free Throws Holy Cross= 9 for 14 average per game Opponents= 15 for 22 average per game Tough to make up that 6 point deficit with field goals. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, opponents have made more free throws than Holy Cross has attempted.
One of the most disappointing aspects of play to date has been our inability to get to the line, especially given Nelson's mantra to be in "attack" mode. The free-throw rate (FTA/FGA) of 21.6% is not only one of the lowest in the country, but significantly lower than the poor FTRs under the previous regime, and maybe the worst in program history.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 14, 2019 6:34:03 GMT -5
Holy Cross Four FactorsOffensive
EFG%, 137th - Good TO%, 259th - Fair OR%, 247th - Fair FTR, 334th - Poor
Defensive EFG%, 320th - Poor TO%, 305th - Poor DR%, 310th - Poor FTR, 256th - Fair
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 14, 2019 6:37:15 GMT -5
Canisius Four Factors
Offensive
EFG%, 159th - Average TO%, 315th - Poor OR%, 91st - Good FTR, 114th - Good
Defensive
EFG%, 157th - Average TO%, 29th - Excellent DR%, 294th - Poor FTR, 300th - Poor
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