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Post by hchoops on Jan 6, 2020 17:58:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the research. Of course, Chris P. was playing with all time high scorer Ron P. Jr and fellow rebounder Mike Vicens for both those seasons which cut into those points and rebound numbers. Even with Ronnie’s strong passing, Chris led in assists also.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 6, 2020 18:31:10 GMT -5
Yes—we will be very fortunate if we see another player of Chris’s caliber once in a generation. I hope the board won’t mind if I repeat one feature of his game that doesn’t show up in stats, something that both you and I have mentioned on this board a number of times: nobody was better at guarding the man inbounding the ball than Chris Potter. It was like having two guys on the job.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 6, 2020 18:42:08 GMT -5
Yes—we will be very fortunate if we see another player of Chris’s caliber once in a generation. I hope the board won’t mind if I repeat one feature of his game that doesn’t show up in stats, something that both you and I have mentioned on this board a number of times: nobody was better at guarding the man inbounding the ball than Chris Potter. It was like having two guys on the job. With the most remarkable ability to then steal the inbound pass that had just left the inbounder’s hand, then lay the ball in for an uncontested score.
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Post by trimster on Jan 6, 2020 19:19:37 GMT -5
Yes—we will be very fortunate if we see another player of Chris’s caliber once in a generation. I hope the board won’t mind if I repeat one feature of his game that doesn’t show up in stats, something that both you and I have mentioned on this board a number of times: nobody was better at guarding the man inbounding the ball than Chris Potter. It was like having two guys on the job. With the most remarkable ability to then steal the inbound pass that had just left the inbounder’s hand, then lay the ball in for an uncontested score. Chris was a once in a lifetime all around player. A point forward who was an incredible press all by himself. As humble as they come also. What a player. His name belongs up in the rafters, probably with his classmate Michael Vicens.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 6, 2020 20:24:50 GMT -5
Yes—we will be very fortunate if we see another player of Chris’s caliber once in a generation. I hope the board won’t mind if I repeat one feature of his game that doesn’t show up in stats, something that both you and I have mentioned on this board a number of times: nobody was better at guarding the man inbounding the ball than Chris Potter. It was like having two guys on the job. And yet, I remember Little Ricky Pitino getting all these accolades with his Providence team during their run in 86-87, like he invented that press. NOBODY did their job better in that press than Chris Potter, and HC was using it before Pitino even got to BU.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 6, 2020 21:31:56 GMT -5
Pridgen’s other offers were Towson, Hartford, Brown and Binghamton. Lots of coaches missed the boat on him.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 6, 2020 21:54:28 GMT -5
Winter Homecoming weekend in the 1975-76 year, we had Men’s basketball games on Friday night against Colgate and Saturday against BC.
The Friday night game was one to behold how adapt Chris P was at stealing the inbound pass. I was sitting under the basket on the concession side of the court. Chris P grabbed I believe three successive inbound attempts by Colgate which led to a quick 6 points. Truly fun to watch how quick he was being less than five feet away from the play.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2020 8:17:14 GMT -5
Pridgen’s other offers were Towson, Hartford, Brown and Binghamton. Lots of coaches missed the boat on him. Seems like he really snuck up on people. A lot of the positive reviews on NERR started in late spring/early summer of 2018. Re-reading some of them, the reviewers were impressed with the things that stand out to us: relentless inside, not afraid to challenge bigger players, etc. What I found interesting at the time (and still do) is that he didn't seem like a prototypical Princeton offense styled player; he actually seems like he's a more natural player for The Full Nelson.
I hope they don't try to monkey around with his free throw shooting too much right now. Sure, he's leaving points on the table that might bite him (and the team) at some point....on the other hand, it's a better problem that having someone who CAN'T draw fouls. At least it helps with getting to the bonus quicker, and can help with getting opponents in foul trouble. With his intense style, I wonder if he has trouble relaxing when he gets to the stripe(?).
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 7, 2020 8:29:18 GMT -5
What I found interesting at the time (and still do) is that he didn't seem like a prototypical Princeton offense styled player; he actually seems like he's a more natural player for The Full Nelson.
He's almost the antithesis of the kind of player Carmody was attracted to - attacking through (rather than around) contact, in-your-face defense, and limited interest in shooting threes (he's 50% from deep, best on the team, but has taken less than 10% of his shots from there).
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 7, 2020 9:06:47 GMT -5
Somewhat counter intuitive that he and Faw, both decent at hitting threes, are so bad at free throws. Pridgen is such a dynamic player that being in a static position doesn't suit him. Maybe he should try mini jump shots; wouldn't be the first.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 7, 2020 9:21:18 GMT -5
Somewhat counter intuitive that he and Faw, both decent at hitting threes, are so bad at free throws. Faw has very good form on his shots. Joe’s is a bit unorthodox and his three point percentage may be an aberration.
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Post by trimster on Jan 7, 2020 10:05:52 GMT -5
Somewhat counter intuitive that he and Faw, both decent at hitting threes, are so bad at free throws. Pridgen is such a dynamic player that being in a static position doesn't suit him. Maybe he should try mini jump shots; wouldn't be the first. Hal Greer of the 76'ers or as Dave Zinkoff used to say, Grrrrrrreeer.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2020 10:07:27 GMT -5
Post-game, 45 and I were talking in the lobby when Joe came by. If he is 6'5", 45 and I agreed that we need to add 2 inches to our claimed heights (very important as we age as I know that I have shrunk at least an inch in height from my college days). Joe has been through the HC elongator apparently. His haircut, like Jehyve's, perhaps designed to add altitude?
On a more serious note, while I agree Matt has great shooting form and believe he will get into a foul shooting groove as he gains more playing time, I really don't care about Joe's form as long as it goes in. He seems streaky as noted above, he had two very good free throw shooting games and most poor to horrendous games. We need to get the good free throw shooters to the line more.
Bottom line: I'll take the less than ideal free throwing shooting baggage if that's what the trade-off has to be for Joe.
P.S. Is Josh Sankes free throw shooting hypnotist available?
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2020 10:15:32 GMT -5
OOOOO! You may be on to something there!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 7, 2020 10:16:45 GMT -5
Faw was a good to very good free throw shooter his first two seasons: 19-25=.760 as a freshman and 21-27=.778 as a sophomore. I'll bet he makes 3 out of every 4 free throws the balance of the season.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 7, 2020 10:20:49 GMT -5
Joe P, has changed his technique from the beginning of the season..He now shoots the ball with a lot of height, I think that will help him in the long term, and he will be streaky until he settles in the style..I wonder if Coach Nelson has offered that style to him? Blake does the same thing...Joe works so hard that he is visibly trying to catch his breath before he shoots FT's, He needs, IMHO, a method to settle himself before he shoots, easier said than done...
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2020 10:28:09 GMT -5
Yes. Hypnosis!!!
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Post by hchoops on Jan 7, 2020 10:46:48 GMT -5
Joe P, has changed his technique from the beginning of the season..He now shoots the ball with a lot of height, I think that will help him in the long term, and he will be streaky until he settles in the style..I wonder if Coach Nelson has offered that style to him? Blake does the same thing...Joe works so hard that he is visibly trying to catch his breath before he shoots FT's, He needs, IMHO, a method to settle himself before he shoots, easier said than done... From the time the ref hands the ball at the line to the FT shooter, the player has 10 seconds to shoot. Shooters do not have to step up to the line immediately. Shooters rarely take more than five.seconds. In 65+ years of playing, coaching and watching, I have never seen that violation. Players that have a difficult time adjusting to the complete stop of action should take more time before shooting.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 7, 2020 10:59:25 GMT -5
Joe P, has changed his technique from the beginning of the season..He now shoots the ball with a lot of height, I think that will help him in the long term, and he will be streaky until he settles in the style..I wonder if Coach Nelson has offered that style to him? Blake does the same thing...Joe works so hard that he is visibly trying to catch his breath before he shoots FT's, He needs, IMHO, a method to settle himself before he shoots, easier said than done... From the time the ref hands the ball at the line to the FT shooter, the player has 10 seconds to shoot. Shooters do not have to step up to the line immediately. Shooters rarely take more than five.seconds. In 65+ years of playing, coaching and watching, I have never seen that violation. Players that have a difficult time adjusting to the complete stop of action should take more time before shooting. agree that pridgen should take his time, hoops. he plays with such a high motor that a few more seconds could benefit him. i had also never seen the violation in my (only) 35+ years of playing, coaching, and watching, but it begged a youtube search, and it appears the violation has been called at least once! hypnosis could be helpful if he has developed some anxiety about it, as sankes had. not sure that's the case with pridgen. 2-10 games would start to shake the swagger of even the most confident player, so let's hope he calms himself and figures it out soon.
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Post by Tom on Jan 7, 2020 10:59:51 GMT -5
P.S. Is Josh Sankes free throw shooting hypnotist available? He hasn't been at the last few games so I'm guessing he's wintering in Florida "Teacher" would be a more accurate title than "hypnotist"
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 7, 2020 11:17:05 GMT -5
Worst woes at the line I've seen here were those of John Hightower. A good free-throw shooter as a junior (almost 70%), he was a horrendous 38% as a senior, and altered his approach at the line a couple times during the season to try to fix things. Clearly seemed to be a psychological thing (le.g., Steve Blass Disease). It was painful to watch, and felt terrible for him - like Pridgen, he had a high FTR, and the misses really hurt. Nice guy, too.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 7, 2020 11:31:02 GMT -5
Worst woes at the line I've seen here were those of John Hightower. A good free-throw shooter as a junior (almost 70%), he was a horrendous 38% as a senior, and altered his approach at the line a couple times during the season to try to fix things. Clearly seemed to be a psychological thing (le.g., Steve Blass Disease). It was painful to watch, and felt terrible for him - like Pridgen, he had a high FTR, and the misses really hurt. Nice guy, too. hightower was a teammate, a good friend, and an absolutely great guy. you're right, it was 100% psychological both from the line and the perimeter with him later in his career. it's a shame, because as you noted, he could really get to the hole and had some of the longest arms you'll ever see on a 6'1 player which helped him as a great defender. he was actually a street and smith's honorable mention all american and a pretty highly touted recruit from boston. our backcourt recruiting class with he and malik waters, also a street and smith's all american from new mexico who was plagued by a devastating knee injury, was one of the best of that era but sadly never panned out with many wins.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 7, 2020 11:35:46 GMT -5
Joe P, has changed his technique from the beginning of the season..He now shoots the ball with a lot of height, I think that will help him in the long term, and he will be streaky until he settles in the style..I wonder if Coach Nelson has offered that style to him? Blake does the same thing...Joe works so hard that he is visibly trying to catch his breath before he shoots FT's, He needs, IMHO, a method to settle himself before he shoots, easier said than done... From the time the ref hands the ball at the line to the FT shooter, the player has 10 seconds to shoot. Shooters do not have to step up to the line immediately. Shooters rarely take more than five.seconds. In 65+ years of playing, coaching and watching, I have never seen that violation. Players that have a difficult time adjusting to the complete stop of action should take more time before shooting. I only saw the violation once...In a HS game I was coaching...The ref was looking to move up in the ranks, and he did, he called everything conceivable! He would put the ball on the floor for inbound plays if the the team wasn't ready and start his count! He wasn't one of my favorite refs! He gave me one of my 2 T's.. I SAID to him, "You missed that one." and not loud enough for spectators to hear! I asked him about the T after the game, he told me Coaches aren't allowed to belittle a referee...Last I saw him, he was working at HC doing a women's game....
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2020 11:58:54 GMT -5
Worst woes at the line I've seen here were those of John Hightower. A good free-throw shooter as a junior (almost 70%), he was a horrendous 38% as a senior, and altered his approach at the line a couple times during the season to try to fix things. Clearly seemed to be a psychological thing (le.g., Steve Blass Disease). It was painful to watch, and felt terrible for him - like Pridgen, he had a high FTR, and the misses really hurt. Nice guy, too. hightower was a teammate, a good friend, and an absolutely great guy. you're right, it was 100% psychological both from the line and the perimeter with him later in his career. it's a shame, because as you noted, he could really get to the hole and had some of the longest arms you'll ever see on a 6'1 player which helped him as a great defender. he was actually a street and smith's honorable mention all american and a pretty highly touted recruit from boston. our backcourt recruiting class with he and malik waters, also a street and smith's all american from new mexico who was plagued by a devastating knee injury, was one of the best of that era but sadly never panned out with many wins. I seem to recall Hightower had a killer crossover. Was a shame Waters had that injury; he looked to have a great deal of potential. Very smooth looking shot if my memory is not failing me; sort of like a right handed Ryan Wade.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2020 12:01:45 GMT -5
If Joe ever connects on a dunk like that full arm extension attempt along the baseline Sunday, with some students present - we may see that bump up in attendance we've been looking for!
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