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Post by bison137 on Jan 16, 2020 21:30:59 GMT -5
The school must be upset with the basketball program. Looking back at our history, we always were very competitive with most schools in the East. We always scheduled BC, UConn, Umass, St. John's, Fordham, Seton Hall, URI, Providence, now those schools do not want to play us because we are in a bad league and we can't recruit or compete with those schools. Its league has nothing to do with a team's ability to schedule games.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2020 21:39:26 GMT -5
The school must be upset with the basketball program. Looking back at our history, we always were very competitive with most schools in the East. We always scheduled BC, UConn, Umass, St. John's, Fordham, Seton Hall, URI, Providence, now those schools do not want to play us because we are in a bad league and we can't recruit or compete with those schools. Its league has nothing to do with a team's ability to schedule games. ...and this season playing more than the one or two good teams we played (Maryland comes to mind) would have been utterly pointless.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 16, 2020 21:39:28 GMT -5
Marlon Hargis, 0-3 today, is 1 for his last 21 three point attempts
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2020 21:42:57 GMT -5
Marlon Hargis, 0-3 today, is 1 for his last 21 three point attempts ..one was an air ball and one hit the side of the backboard.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 16, 2020 21:44:06 GMT -5
Marlon Hargis, 0-3 today, is 1 for his last 21 three point attempts Maybe we can have a contest between him and Bucknell's Bruce Moore, who is 1-25 this year on threes. Prior to this season, Moore was 60-175 (.343).
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 16, 2020 22:22:28 GMT -5
I listened to Coach Nelson on the radio post game show. Even though it was immediately after a loss, he appeared to be so much more upbeat and positive than I had heard him all season. To me it sounded like he was, for the first time in a while, looking forward to tomorrow’s practice.
I might be wrong but my guess is that he and Lowder just were not a good mix and, with that situation now settled, he feels like a burden has been lifted off his shoulders and is excited to move forward with the team.
Be interested to hear if any other listeners came away with the same impression.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 16, 2020 22:34:01 GMT -5
I listened to Coach Nelson on the radio post game show. Even though it was immediately after a loss, he appeared to be so much more upbeat and positive than I had heard him all season. To me it sounded like he was, for the first time in a while, looking forward to tomorrow’s practice. I might be wrong but my guess is that he and Lowder just were not a good mix and, with that situation now settled, he feels like a burden has been lifted off his shoulders and is excited to move forward with the team. Be interested to hear if any other listeners came away with the same impression. I also am guessing, but this sounds logical.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 16, 2020 22:53:47 GMT -5
I listened to Coach Nelson on the radio post game show. Even though it was immediately after a loss, he appeared to be so much more upbeat and positive than I had heard him all season. To me it sounded like he was, for the first time in a while, looking forward to tomorrow’s practice. I might be wrong but my guess is that he and Lowder just were not a good mix and, with that situation now settled, he feels like a burden has been lifted off his shoulders and is excited to move forward with the team. Be interested to hear if any other listeners came away with the same impression. I also am guessing, but this sounds logical. If the relationship was stressful for all, which we might never know, he could be more relaxed and looking to the future. if that is the case, perhaps the evaluation of the team should start with today as the baseline and watch for individual and team improvements-a few wins would be great for the confidence of the team to build on as well.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 16, 2020 23:04:33 GMT -5
That will be very difficult with Austin trying his best, but ill equipped to be a point guard.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 16, 2020 23:15:56 GMT -5
Nelson gets to start with 5 of his own guys next year plus Wade and Pridgen. Butler is someone he clearly likes and will be a great senior leader for the young guns. Faw is having the greatest in-season turnaround of any HC player I’ve ever seen. He has gone from doghouse to penthouse in a matter of weeks. I can see why Nelson has a little bounce in his step, especially if he thinks he’s going to be able to land two really good players with the next two scholarships. Can even take in a high level transfer to help with class balancing.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 16, 2020 23:37:07 GMT -5
Since Coach Nelson just came from Marquette, I hope priority on his shopping list for the additional recruiting is an aircraft carrier and a cloud piercer. 😊
Pretty sure that anyone that has been associated with Marquette Basketball would be familiar with the terms.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 17, 2020 1:35:32 GMT -5
I will guess you want him to recruit a couple of "Bigs".
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Post by timholycross on Jan 17, 2020 5:25:35 GMT -5
I will guess you want him to recruit a couple of "Bigs". "Too much French Pastry!"😁
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 17, 2020 6:17:35 GMT -5
92 hit my one very positIve in all this, Matt though still getting in foul trouble is playing so much better. His shooting is back to where it was but his shot blocking and total effort (he’s diving to the floor for loose balls like Austin does) shows he really wants to win. He’s more than willing to mix it up with anyone.
Connor is also getting back to where we thought he’d be.
We are so much better when both of these guys are on the floor together.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 17, 2020 6:36:20 GMT -5
www.espn.com/classic/s/McGuirisms.htmlI was using a couple of Al McGuire terms in describing the basketball teams needs for next year. Since Coach Nelson came from Marquette, he may be familiar with the terms used by a Marquette coaching legend.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 17, 2020 7:12:00 GMT -5
This season is starting to remind me of the basketball version of The Junction Boys.
I'll continue to sound like a broken record, but as frustrating as the individual games (losses) are, I am very appreciate that these guys are sticking it out, and not quitting. In the case of MF, he was really sprinting the length of the court time and time again to try to make plays. As I've also said like a broken record, these games are not end to end blowouts; I'm not seeing any quit in them. For AB and CN and MF, I just hope it's not all in vain for them - even if the career highlight turns out to be spoiling someone's season in the PL tournament this year or next.
As I think WooGray said, a Hamilton/Kinsey/Green like defender can make such a huge impact. Really hoping the staff can land such a player, sooner rather than later.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 17, 2020 7:16:53 GMT -5
I listened to Coach Nelson on the radio post game show. Even though it was immediately after a loss, he appeared to be so much more upbeat and positive than I had heard him all season. To me it sounded like he was, for the first time in a while, looking forward to tomorrow’s practice. I might be wrong but my guess is that he and Lowder just were not a good mix and, with that situation now settled, he feels like a burden has been lifted off his shoulders and is excited to move forward with the team. Be interested to hear if any other listeners came away with the same impression. I just hope it wasn't because he was listening to this song on his phone while doing the interview:
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Post by trimster on Jan 17, 2020 7:59:43 GMT -5
www.espn.com/classic/s/McGuirisms.htmlI was using a couple of Al McGuire terms in describing the basketball teams needs for next year. Since Coach Nelson came from Marquette, he may be familiar with the terms used by a Marquette coaching legend. Two of my favorites were I never recruited a kid whose family had a lawn and that shot was a real crier as in let me in after bouncing around the rim.
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Post by trimster on Jan 17, 2020 8:05:19 GMT -5
Nelson gets to start with 5 of his own guys next year plus Wade and Pridgen. Butler is someone he clearly likes and will be a great senior leader for the young guns. Faw is having the greatest in-season turnaround of any HC player I’ve ever seen. He has gone from doghouse to penthouse in a matter of weeks. I can see why Nelson has a little bounce in his step, especially if he thinks he’s going to be able to land two really good players with the next two scholarships. Can even take in a high level transfer to help with class balancing. I am a bit concerned about 9 of the 13 ‘ships being grouped together in the next two classes but I can understand why it will probably happen. These classes with 1 and 2 players in them are a tough situation.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 17, 2020 8:15:46 GMT -5
Nelson gets to start with 5 of his own guys next year plus Wade and Pridgen. Butler is someone he clearly likes and will be a great senior leader for the young guns. Faw is having the greatest in-season turnaround of any HC player I’ve ever seen. He has gone from doghouse to penthouse in a matter of weeks. I can see why Nelson has a little bounce in his step, especially if he thinks he’s going to be able to land two really good players with the next two scholarships. Can even take in a high level transfer to help with class balancing. I am a bit concerned about 9 of the 13 ‘ships being grouped together in the next two classes but I can understand why it will probably happen. These classes with 1 and 2 players in them are a tough situation. As we have seen over the last couple of years, worrying too much about balancing your classes can be fruitless. If you start in Year 1 with 3, 3, 3 and 4 in Year 1, you could easily wind up with 2, 5, 4, 2 a couple of years later due to injuries, transfers, etc. hopefully we get more stability in the program going forward which will help in this regard.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 17, 2020 8:19:00 GMT -5
That will be very difficult with Austin trying his best, but ill equipped to be a point guard. Agree, but my comment was based on considering the comment Dave made re Nelson sounding more upbeat after the game. If true, this might be a time when incremental improvements can be monumental looking to the future. It is a given that all of the pieces needed aren’t on the roster yet, including a point and a bigger body inside, but as you say Austin is doing his best to step in, lead and help others buy into the Nelson philosophy. While the transition continues it looks like a number of players are trying to become the players Nelson wants, unfortunately some of the changes aren’t natural or easy for the current roster which frequently has them on different pages running the offenses/defenses. Too bad this team, with incoming freshmen, aren’t doing a summer basketball trip together to focus on a few areas of the game. Anybody know when the next trip is allowed?
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Post by trimster on Jan 17, 2020 8:39:20 GMT -5
I think the jury is out on whether or not Coach Nelson can fully bring his philosophy to HC. He may have to tweak it some based on the players he is able to recruit to HC. Playing more zone on D is an example.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 17, 2020 8:50:09 GMT -5
I think the jury is out on whether or not Coach Nelson can fully bring his philosophy to HC. He may have to tweak it some based on the players he is able to recruit to HC. Playing more zone on D is an example. Most coaches, especially first time coaches frequently need to adjust-how he adjusts from recruiting, teaching, player engagement to a style of play, will be interesting to watch
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Post by possum on Jan 17, 2020 9:05:10 GMT -5
Defense continues to be the number one issue, being at the game yesterday it was so frustrating during our attempted comeback effort to get a bucket on the offensive end then watch Army run off 20-25 seconds and end up with a layup. That being said its nice to see Faw and Niego put 3-4 good games together hopefully a sign of things to come. With Butler at the point pretty much full time yesterday it seemed to stifle his offensive game as he only got off 5 shots and it didn't create a lot of offense for others as he had only 2 assists. Don't know what the options are but using Butler in this fashion is a complete waste of the strong parts of his game. Obviously it looks like the bench is going to be the biggest issue going forward as 2 points from this group is not going to get it done in most games. I heard Nelson's post game comments and it did seem he was generally upbeat pointing out the guys played hard and unselfish while noting there was still a lot of room for improvement. I haven't heard many of his post game interviews so it's hard for me to determine whether this was a departure from prior games.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 17, 2020 9:15:53 GMT -5
Every time I have have heard Nelson, or read quotes from him, he has been consistently positive and confident. He appears to believe 100% in what he is doing.
We'll see what happens. I'll be watching for effort and commitment, more than results, from hereon this season. Are the kids playing hard every possession, regardless of score, and regardless of which end of the court they're on? Or do we see players begin to "check out" as losses continue to mount? Will be keeping an eye particularly on Wade and Pridgen - really need them to buy in for the long term.
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