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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 8:04:40 GMT -5
Rank Team (Records)
_6 (_8) Maryland (19-4)
86 (104) Harvard (14-6)
106 (113) Colgate (18-6)
120 (122) Hofstra (17-7)
159 (169) Lafayette (15-7)
173 (191) Boston University (14-10)
186 (178) Florida Atlantic (14-10)
202 (202) Northeastern (11-12)
203 (203) Siena (11-10)
212 (210) Mercer (12-12)
216 (228) American (11-11)
218 (204) Sacred Heart (14-10)
226 (223) San Diego (8-17)
236 (224) Navy (12-10)
240 (234) Army (11-11)
252 (243) Bucknell (9-15)
255 (251) Canisius (9-14)
256 (261) Fairfield (9-13)
268 (269) New Hampshire (10-11)
272 (285) Loyola (MD) (11-13)
336 (334) Lehigh (5-18)
345 (341) HOLY CROSS (3-21)
*D3 UMass-Boston (14-8)
out of 353 D1 teams
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2020 8:12:30 GMT -5
Will the PL crack the top 100 by the end of the season? Colgate probably won't play a higher ranked team this year, and if they do it will be because they dropped so it makes it tough to do.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 8:18:04 GMT -5
It is not a surprise I am sure, but Massey has HC as the underdog in all remaining regular season games: @ BU (-21) @ Lehigh (-8) Lafayette (-12) Bucknell (-8) @ Colgate (-25) @ Army (-12) American (-9) It looks as though even one more win would be unlikely...perhaps in the PLT?  |
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2020 8:40:14 GMT -5
Back in the bottom 10
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 8, 2020 9:01:21 GMT -5
Pretty well correlated with key defensive metrics . . .
Massey, #345
KenPom, #343
Defensive Efficiency, #348
Opponent EFG%, #346
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 8, 2020 10:44:07 GMT -5
It is not a surprise I am sure, but Massey has HC as the underdog in all remaining regular season games: @ BU (-21) @ Lehigh (-8) Lafayette (-12) Bucknell (-8) @ Colgate (-25) @ Army (-12) American (-9) It looks as though even one more win would be unlikely...perhaps in the PLT? KenPom has our chances as follows for the regular season games: @ Boston U= 5% chance to win @ Lehigh= 25% vs Lafayette= 20% vs Bucknell= 32% @ Colgate= 3% @ Army= 15% va American U= 26% The compound of the percentages for those games suggests that our likelihood of losing every remaining regular season game is 24 % or, inversely, a 76% likelihood of winning at least one more game. |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -5
Nice observation. Here are the likelihoods for Massey:
@ BU 4%
@ Lehigh 23%
Lafayette 14%
Bucknell 24%
@ Colgate 2%
@ Army 13%
American 21%
Apparently Massey thinks a bit less of us than Pomeroy does.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2020 11:03:09 GMT -5
This HC team will go down as one of the worst in PL history. There have been some bad Army and Navy teams, but we are right up there with them.
Army, under Jim Crews, had one or two winless PL seasons around 03-05, I believe.
Navy was 3-26 (0-14) in DeChellis’ first season.
I’m not sure Colgate was ever even this bad under Davis.
I’d be interested to hear some college hoops programs who have fallen as badly and hardly as HC has the past decade when you compare it to their performance the previous decade.
What a colossal failure on multiple levels.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 11:08:07 GMT -5
No, the Army and Navy teams that were winless in the PL (where HC currently has 2 wins) did not bounce back in the following 2 or 3 seasons. [It took Navy 4 years to reach .500 9 wins] If HC does improve, that could be a very different turnaround story. It may be a bit early to label this a "colossal failure" (unless one sees almost everything connected to HC hoops in an ultra-pessimistic light).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2020 11:11:51 GMT -5
No, the Army and Navy teams that were winless in the PL (where HC currently has 2 wins) did not bounce back in the following season. If HC does, that could be a very different turnaround story. It may be a bit dearly to label this a "colossal failure" (unless one sees almost everything connected to HC hoops in that ultra-pessimistic light). 2010 - present day has been a colossal failure (five head coaches, losing season after losing season, players transferring / kicked off the team, etc.), and to label it anything other than a colossal failure would be disingenuous. |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 11:15:50 GMT -5
Your post made it appear that you were looking at "worst seasons" in the PL in isolation. Going back a decade is a far different story. Do that for HC and you also bring in a PLT Championship, an NCAA win, and a win in an early season tournament last year. To try and call that a colossal failure - when it could have been far worse - would also be disingenuous.  |
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Post by hc87 on Feb 8, 2020 11:44:53 GMT -5
The thing (problem is), there is a marginal difference overall in terms of interest, support etc if HC goes 3-27 or 15-15 playing in the PL in basketball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 8, 2020 11:53:27 GMT -5
Stop
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Post by bison137 on Feb 8, 2020 12:02:47 GMT -5
It is not a surprise I am sure, but Massey has HC as the underdog in all remaining regular season games: @ BU (-21) @ Lehigh (-8) Lafayette (-12) Bucknell (-8) @ Colgate (-25) @ Army (-12) American (-9) It looks as though even one more win would be unlikely...perhaps in the PLT? Massey predicts HC to win 0.91 games going forward, so one more win is viewed as likely. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 8, 2020 12:03:34 GMT -5
No, the Army and Navy teams that were winless in the PL (where HC currently has 2 wins) did not bounce back in the following season. If HC does, that could be a very different turnaround story. It may be a bit dearly to label this a "colossal failure" (unless one sees almost everything connected to HC hoops in that ultra-pessimistic light). 2010 - present day has been a colossal failure ( five head coaches, losing season after losing season, players transferring / kicked off the team, etc.), and to label it anything other than a colossal failure would be disingenuous. 3 since 2010. 4 since 2009 |
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Post by bison137 on Feb 8, 2020 12:11:14 GMT -5
This HC team will go down as one of the worst in PL history. There have been some bad Army and Navy teams, but we are right up there with them. Army, under Jim Crews, had one or two winless PL seasons around 03-05, I believe. Navy was 3-26 (0-14) in DeChellis’ first season. I’m not sure Colgate was ever even this bad under Davis. as you know, those winless teams all played 14 game PL schedules. The most losses ever by. PL team is 15, accomplished by two teams in recent years. btw, Emmitt Davis only had one real bad year, going 2-12 his final season. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2020 12:12:37 GMT -5
2010 - present day has been a colossal failure ( five head coaches, losing season after losing season, players transferring / kicked off the team, etc.), and to label it anything other than a colossal failure would be disingenuous. 3 since 2010. 4 since 2009 Five since 2009: Willard, Kearney, Brown, Carmody, Nelson. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 8, 2020 12:21:42 GMT -5
Kearney was coach in the 2009-10 season
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2020 12:27:25 GMT -5
Depends how you look at it. Willard was the coach for half of the 2009 calendar year.
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Post by lou on Feb 8, 2020 12:34:18 GMT -5
Joe Kennedy was coach for a couple of games
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 8, 2020 14:36:30 GMT -5
Worst 7 man team in school history, that's for sure
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Post by Crosser on Feb 8, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
How many 7 man teams have we had? The current rotation of 7 seems unprecedented to me.
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