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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 18, 2020 23:40:00 GMT -5
Good lord.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 18, 2020 23:53:59 GMT -5
Yep, keep feeding the narrative that the PL is good for HC hoop as we draw undah a 1K at the Hart and no one cares.....winning strategy
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 19, 2020 0:17:18 GMT -5
I wonder if it could be one of those nights.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 19, 2020 0:19:48 GMT -5
SoV...no worries but you grew up long since HC hoops was reputable in the East
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Post by hc87 on Feb 19, 2020 0:36:05 GMT -5
It is what is...we are in a league that's awful...football is our sport now...follow that if you're a HC fan
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 19, 2020 1:05:54 GMT -5
According to MaxPreps, King Philip has a playoff game against Hanovah tomorrow at 6:30. God help them.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2020 1:19:08 GMT -5
It is what is...we are in a league that's awful...football is our sport now...follow that if you're a HC fan 195 days until kick-off at Merrimack, give or take an extra leap year day.
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Post by gks on Feb 19, 2020 8:03:34 GMT -5
It is what is...we are in a league that's awful...football is our sport now...follow that if you're a HC fan There is nothing wrong with being a football school!
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Post by hcpride on Feb 19, 2020 8:12:31 GMT -5
/\ /\ Maybe we are now de-emphasizing basketball and somebody forgot to tell the Crossports fans.
When I was at HC we were MUCH better at football than basketball. And our basketball recruiting was quite iffy. To be kind. So this is not new.
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Post by trimster on Feb 19, 2020 9:12:08 GMT -5
I know we are going absolutely nowhere in hoop in the PL.. Marquee sport? Joke There is nothing that says we can't be very in good in hoops and be a member of the Patriot League. Ralph Willard showed it could be done. His teams were more than competitive against big time programs. I know his teams had a scholarship advantage within the conference but I am talking about how his teams stacked up outside of the conference.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 19, 2020 10:11:09 GMT -5
hc87, I've said it a few ways before, but I'll be direct now-- since you are much older and wiser and remember when HC basketball was played in black and white with no sound, while a player piano tinkled music in the background...
If we can't win more than three games playing in the PL, why would A) any other league admit us and B) why would HC perform any better in another league? Would Player X's shots fall more often in The New Big East? Are the rims bigger? Are the hoops lower? Do we start with a ten point head start as new members of this hypothetical league that would even want us?
If your argument is that better players and coaches would want to come to HC that to this point have not, simply because we are in the PL and not in a different league, I don't buy it. Neither of our points could actually be proven in advance of such a move, so maybe, logically, it's a wash. But here's my guesses (just like yours are guesses) anyway on what matters more, and why league affiliation don't impact these:
- Players want to play in a winning program. To me, that means good direction from the AD (schedules, game promotions, hiring), good coaching, good culture. - Players want good facilities. Locker rooms, training facilities, practice courts, game courts/stands, amenities. They want it to feel like a D1 program. - Players want to attend a good school. Academic reputation probably chief among them, and for what HC targets, we want players who will appreciate this aspect as students and men of character. - To expand on that point of a "D1 feel," players like attention on their games. Students come out and watch. Fans come out and watch. Games on TV (that actually can pronounce players names, graphics that don't botch the school name or coaches' interim statuses), coverage in print and on radio. Highlights on some of the bigger media outlets. I think winning begets these items.
Perhaps league affiliation can assist with some of those other items, but #@*&$~! teams in big leagues won't get the press, won't get the turnouts, won't recruit the top players, won't coach up who they get in the door. Much of that is in control of the program itself, and not the league. HC has made this dog food and must eat it, or cook something else. Blaming the PL is a weak, weak, weak excuse. Bucknell has a great arena and had created plenty of clout and reputation in a short period of time under the late Flannery years. Lehigh recruited an NBA-caliber player and knocked off Duke. Hell, HC even recruited an HC caliber player. I know you've been paying attention.
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Post by trimster on Feb 19, 2020 10:56:47 GMT -5
hc87, I've said it a few ways before, but I'll be direct now-- since you are much older and wiser and remember when HC basketball was played in black and white with no sound, while a player piano tinkled music in the background... If we can't win more than three games playing in the PL, why would A) any other league admit us and B) why would HC perform any better in another league? Would Player X's shots fall more often in The New Big East? Are the rims bigger? Are the hoops lower? Do we start with a ten point head start as new members of this hypothetical league that would even want us? If your argument is that better players and coaches would want to come to HC that to this point have not, simply because we are in the PL and not in a different league, I don't buy it. Neither of our points could actually be proven in advance of such a move, so maybe, logically, it's a wash. But here's my guesses (just like yours are guesses) anyway on what matters more, and why league affiliation don't impact these: - Players want to play in a winning program. To me, that means good direction from the AD (schedules, game promotions, hiring), good coaching, good culture. - Players want good facilities. Locker rooms, training facilities, practice courts, game courts/stands, amenities. They want it to feel like a D1 program. - Players want to attend a good school. Academic reputation probably chief among them, and for what HC targets, we want players who will appreciate this aspect as students and men of character. - To expand on that point of a "D1 feel," players like attention on their games. Students come out and watch. Fans come out and watch. Games on TV (that actually can pronounce players names, graphics that don't botch the school name or coaches' interim statuses), coverage in print and on radio. Highlights on some of the bigger media outlets. I think winning begets these items. Perhaps league affiliation can assist with some of those other items, but #@*&$~! teams in big leagues won't get the press, won't get the turnouts, won't recruit the top players, won't coach up who they get in the door. Much of that is in control of the program itself, and not the league. HC has made this dog food and must eat it, or cook something else. Blaming the PL is a weak, weak, weak excuse. Bucknell has a great arena and had created plenty of clout and reputation in a short period of time under the late Flannery years. Lehigh recruited an NBA-caliber player and knocked off Duke. Hell, HC even recruited an HC caliber player. I know you've been paying attention. I agree with almost all of what you say except for those of us who remember when HC was a going concern in eastern basketball and to a lesser extent nationally, aren't quite as old as you make us out to be and I don't think there is any doubt that the more highly rated conferences attract better players, media coverage, officials and coaches. My last point is no reflection on our current coach. I have never been a fan of the PL but I refuse to use it as an excuse for our ineptness in hoops since 2010.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2020 11:20:57 GMT -5
Goal number one for next season and beyond: close the bus station. All the player transitions are hopefully transitional for the program because they represent the negatives of big time BB with none of the positives. HC has to develop solid players and solid teams over four years to succeed from our perch in the PL.
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Post by Tom on Feb 19, 2020 12:22:08 GMT -5
If we can't win more than three games playing in the PL, why would A) any other league admit us and B) why would HC perform any better in another league? Would Player X's shots fall more often in The New Big East? Are the rims bigger? Are the hoops lower? Do we start with a ten point head start as new members of this hypothetical league that would even want us? If your argument is that better players and coaches would want to come to HC that to this point have not, simply because we are in the PL and not in a different league, I don't buy it. Neither of our points could actually be proven in advance of such a move, so maybe, logically, it's a wash. But here's my guesses (just like yours are guesses) anyway on what matters more, and why league affiliation don't impact these: Hoping for a reasonable expectation a move wouldn't simply follow the Fordham model
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Post by rickii on Feb 19, 2020 13:08:01 GMT -5
I don't recall seeing him other than at Homecoming. The president goes around to alumni gatherings all over the country, usually at this time of year. That is a part of the reason for his absence And Brooks did so as well.
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Post by rickii on Feb 19, 2020 13:15:59 GMT -5
Nostalgia took precedence over common sense. Institutions that blindly cling to the past are not in position to see the future. Historical artifacts, should be remembered as part of legacy, and placed in an archive. Time to create a new legacy initiative for the 21st century. Can you name a school that practices this jingo ?
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Post by rickii on Feb 19, 2020 13:26:37 GMT -5
I didn't start this thread....just responding honestly...don't shoot me, just saying what many alumni of a certain age believe. Stay the course 87....many here need to be reminded....out of sight, out of mind.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 19, 2020 13:32:38 GMT -5
Real basketball fans know that the PL stinks. Look at what it has done to our basketball program. Fan attendance is low, students don't attend, the band does not show up because the Hart Center plays loud music that the fans don't like so why should the band members even come out. I think that just about every opponent has a video board in their arena to help the fans with questionable calls. We are in real trouble with the BB program.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2020 13:55:18 GMT -5
Nostalgia took precedence over common sense. Institutions that blindly cling to the past are not in position to see the future. Historical artifacts, should be remembered as part of legacy, and placed in an archive. Time to create a new legacy initiative for the 21st century. Can you name a school that practices this jingo ? Yes I can. Here is an example. Killingly CT Board of Education. 80% of the students voted for a name change from Red Men to Red Hawks. The School Board in a counter vote rescinded the students vote for the change. www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/killingly-community-torn-on-name-of-high-school-mascot/2193498/en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killingly_High_Schoolwww.washingtonpost.comThere are a number of lower echelon institutions in secondary and higher education that refuse to change or make less than admirable decisions regarding policy. They will either change due to the marketplace or cease to exist. I would not advise a family to move to Killingly for the education of their children until the current school board is replaced.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2020 14:11:03 GMT -5
Holy Cross is currently making the Patriot League stink
Or, to be juvenile: He who smelt it dealt it.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 19, 2020 14:13:41 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing: So, if we add some courses at Holy Cross on the "abuses" (21st Century interpretation of Middle Ages morality) of the Crusades, we can bring back Iggy?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2020 14:26:25 GMT -5
Big Fan
Send a note to the AD regarding future plans for upgrades to facilities. Express your desires and priorities. Hopefully he will give you a timetable and feasibility.
There were plans under Nate Pine to have portable video board, just like the one used at the Boston Marathon, at Fitton Field for Football, Baseball, and moved to the top of the hill for Lacrosse games. It was cut from the proposed budget a couple of years ago by the administration.
I hope that the money that was going to be allocated to the video boards has been redirected to recruiting.
In the meantime while waiting for the video boards, I take my IPad to the game to see the replays, as well as getting the latest in game statistical information while the game is in progress. Give it a try.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 19, 2020 14:29:57 GMT -5
sader1970- So you're gonna defend the Crusades to your last breath. How far does your moral relativism go? Is there anything absolutely wrong in your Weltanschauung? Jus askin....
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Post by sarasota on Feb 19, 2020 14:46:45 GMT -5
Big Fan Send a note to the AD regarding future plans for upgrades to facilities. Express your desires and priorities. Hopefully he will give you a timetable and feasibility. There were plans under Nate Pine to have portable video board, just like the one used at the Boston Marathon, at Fitton Field for Football, Baseball, and moved to the top of the hill for Lacrosse games. It was cut from the proposed budget a couple of years ago by the administration. I hope that the money that was going to be allocated to the video boards has been redirected to recruiting. In the meantime while waiting for the video boards, I take my IPad to the game to see the replays, as well as getting the latest in game statistical information while the game is in progress. Give it a try. So a portable video board was cut from the budget "by the administration." .......says so much about HC and why the entire sports programs from top to bottom are so AWFUL. Remember what I said....."living in a bubble." You can live on Past Glories for only so long.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 19, 2020 14:58:18 GMT -5
It’s the abuses in 21st Century morality that is of concern, with a perspective in how we continue to not to evolve from the Primordial soup of the past.
If The Killingly Board of Education cared about sensibility and cultural awareness, they would have not reverted to the previous mascot. Fortunately, St. John’s University, and Miami University of Ohio are not blindly clinging to a symbol that many find inappropriate to represent their institution. Which begs the questions, why do we have mascots and costumed characters? I find most creepy. When I go to games, I see no need to interact with a costumed character, they are passé, often annoying and distracting while watching the game, maybe of interest to grammar school children, for me, it is just a person in a one man or woman parade. Mascots such as Bevo and UGA, for example, I can do without as they do not enhance my game enjoyment.
I do have an exception regarding mascots... watched it last night perform at the St. Joseph’s vs Davidson basketball game. The Hawk flapping his wings for the entire contest, as the Hawk will never die. Hope that HC schedules St. Joe’s again.
Iggy is resting well in the Villages, with occasional trips to Margaritaville in Key West with his doppelgänger.... Marvin the Martian. Heard they sign autographs on Thursday evenings for anyone wearing purple. 🤣
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