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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 0:26:47 GMT -5
Last time I looked, there are no female Jesuits. So by limiting the pool to Jesuits one is eliminating half the real pool. What do you have against women?
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 1, 2020 7:05:32 GMT -5
Last time I looked, there are no female Jesuits. So by limiting the pool to Jesuits one is eliminating half the real pool. What do you have against women? BoT 40 - 7 Jesuits 13 women ExecTeam/Cabinet 18 - 9 women 2 Jesuit Advisory Board - too numerous to count But hasn’t gender classification given way to gender identification? so the above numbers may not be definitive
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2020 7:11:38 GMT -5
Here we go . . .
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 1, 2020 7:17:53 GMT -5
he's not up yet
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 10:45:28 GMT -5
Last time I looked, there are no female Jesuits. So by limiting the pool to Jesuits one is eliminating half the real pool. What do you have against women? BoT 40 - 7 Jesuits 13 women ExecTeam/Cabinet 18 - 9 women 2 Jesuit Advisory Board - too numerous to count But hasn’t gender classification given way to gender identification? so the above numbers may not be definitive Altar boys and altar girls. And what does the above have to do with a lay President?
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Mar 1, 2020 11:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2020 11:39:25 GMT -5
It means if HC gets a lay President it will probably be a woman.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2020 11:50:07 GMT -5
Last time I looked, there are no female Jesuits. So by limiting the pool to Jesuits one is eliminating half the real pool. What do you have against women? Totally illogical, but you know that
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Mar 1, 2020 11:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2020 11:51:49 GMT -5
‘Sota—-
How about a Jewish or Methodist or Animist or maybe an atheist president of Holy Cross— is that your next initiative?
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 12:05:44 GMT -5
It means if HC gets a lay President it will probably be a woman. ??
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 12:08:08 GMT -5
Last time I looked, there are no female Jesuits. So by limiting the pool to Jesuits one is eliminating half the real pool. What do you have against women? Totally illogical, but you know that Explain why it's "totally illogical." (I assume you're not referring to my last sentence, which is sarcastic.)
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 12:13:51 GMT -5
‘Sota—- How about a Jewish or Methodist or Animist or maybe an atheist president of Holy Cross— is that your next initiative? What "initiative" could I possibly have inasmuch as I have zero influence among the HC muckeymucks. Tell you what. Instead of me trying to explain why never havng had a lay President is a negative reflection of HC, why don't you explain why no-lay-Prez is the case.
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Mar 1, 2020 12:19:16 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2020 12:19:16 GMT -5
Holy Cross has had a lay President, Frank Vellacio
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 12:27:41 GMT -5
Holy Cross has had a lay President, Frank Vellacio Temporary at best. At that time I send an email to the BoT suggesting that they should make Vellacio, or some other lay person, permanent Prez. Shows you how much clout I have.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 1, 2020 13:15:42 GMT -5
Sarasota,
How many times do you need to be told, Fr. Boroughs is on record saying it is likely that he will be the last Jesuit President of Holy Cross, so stop fixating on it.
And because you think Holy Cross is lagging so far behind other Jesuit colleges and universities ...
There are 27 Jesuit colleges & universities. 15 of them have lay President's 3 of them women presidents.
Only 6 of the lay presidents were appointed before Fr. Boroughs was named HC President 7 of the lay presidents have been named in the last 5 years.
Only 3 of the Jesuit colleges are on their 2nd lay president (Loyola Marymount, Spring Hill, & LeMoyne) and at all 3, the the first lay president lasted 6 years or fewer. One of them lasted only 3 years.
4 have named Jesuits as President since Fr. Boroughs took over at HC. One (Santa Clara) named a Jesuit as president last year.
So it would seem that the Jesuit colleges & universities including Holy Cross - all of which operate independently and are not run "by the Jesuits," - have reached the same conclusion as you beginning 20 years ago with Georgetown - the pool of qualified Jesuits is low and so they need to be open to non-Jesuits/non-clerics/non-male as presidents.
That doesn't mean don't select a Jesuit as president, just evaluate Jesuits with the other candidates.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2020 13:19:51 GMT -5
"There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come."
Married with:
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."
Is my position. Yes, diversity has arrived and it is righteous, but that doesn't mean a religious order existing to educate students has to be tarred, feathered and run out of town.
If Smith College doesn't have to legally gender integrate, the Jesuits don't have to either. Let them both evolve as they see fit. Smith now accepts transgender applicants. I really wouldn't be surprised if the Jesuits would accept one also, even though the chances of them receiving an application are slim.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 15:33:25 GMT -5
Sarasota, How many times do you need to be told, Fr. Boroughs is on record saying it is likely that he will be the last Jesuit President of Holy Cross, so stop fixating on it. And because you think Holy Cross is lagging so far behind other Jesuit colleges and universities ... There are 27 Jesuit colleges & universities. 15 of them have lay President's 3 of them women presidents. Only 6 of the lay presidents were appointed before Fr. Boroughs was named HC President 7 of the lay presidents have been named in the last 5 years. Only 3 of the Jesuit colleges are on their 2nd lay president (Loyola Marymount, Spring Hill, & LeMoyne) and at all 3, the the first lay president lasted 6 years or fewer. One of them lasted only 3 years. 4 have named Jesuits as President since Fr. Boroughs took over at HC. One (Santa Clara) named a Jesuit as president last year. So it would seem that the Jesuit colleges & universities including Holy Cross - all of which operate independently and are not run "by the Jesuits," - have reached the same conclusion as you beginning 20 years ago with Georgetown - the pool of qualified Jesuits is low and so they need to be open to non-Jesuits/non-clerics/non-male as presidents. That doesn't mean don't select a Jesuit as president, just evaluate Jesuits with the other candidates. So why doesn't Fr. B retire? He can claim a number of achievements during his tenure. More than ever, change is an imperative for institutions. The biggest change HC could make would be to bring in an outstanding, charismatic lay person as leader. That would demonstrate unquestionably that HC is open and wants to pursue true excellence.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 1, 2020 15:57:08 GMT -5
He will finish the capital campaign at the end of June, turn 71 in July and the strategic planning for the next 10 year period is getting started. I suspect he'll resign sometime in the next couple of years to turn the next capital campaign over to the next president as Fr. McFarland did.
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Mar 1, 2020 16:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2020 16:10:52 GMT -5
He will finish the capital campaign at the end of June, turn 71 in July and the strategic planning for the next 10 year period is getting started. I suspect he'll resign sometime in the next couple of years to turn the next capital campaign over to the next president as Fr. McFarland did. He's a lean, lanky spry 70.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 1, 2020 17:26:01 GMT -5
Yeah, becasue that "logic" flows directly from what I posted.
Whatever, you know what's REALLY going on and the rest of us are just naive sycophants. Got it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2020 17:42:42 GMT -5
Yeah, becasue that "logic" flows directly from what I posted. Whatever, you know what's REALLY going on and the rest of us are just naive sycophants. Got it. Beautifully said!
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2020 18:05:53 GMT -5
There are many, many fine lay persons. But not many who take a vow of poverty and devote their lives in service to others. Since HC is a Catholic College, I hope full consideration is given to a Religious Higher Education Professional as well as lay higher education professionals when the time comes there is no suitable Jesuit to lead the college.
A Sister or a Brother or a Priest from another order would provide value added at a Catholic College, imo. To me that is simple logic that all things being equal, a Catholic College is enhanced by having qualified Catholic Religious leadership. But maybe the world turned upside down as I slept the last twenty years.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2020 18:07:36 GMT -5
Is Holy Cross the only school in the Big East with a Jesuit president?
Oh.
Never mind . . .
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Merrimack
Mar 1, 2020 19:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2020 19:32:53 GMT -5
Is Holy Cross the only school in the Big East with a Jesuit president?
Oh.
Never mind . . . You almost gave hc87 a heart attack.😊
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Post by sarasota on Mar 1, 2020 20:17:15 GMT -5
I deleted my post about altar boy....needlessly confrontational.....sorry
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