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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 11, 2020 11:44:24 GMT -5
Andy Sachs completed his first season at Chesapeake CC. His club went 18-9, its first winning season in eight years - they were 8-16 last year.
Brion Dunlap has been head coach at Harris-Stowe State University (NAIA) in St. Louis for the past four years. His teams have averaged 20+ wins and won three conference championships, including this season. Currently 23-9, they'll be going to the national NAIA tournament for the third time in his tenure.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2020 12:34:54 GMT -5
Andy Sachs completed his first season at Chesapeake CC. His club went 18-9, its first winning season in eight years - they were 8-16 last year.
Brion Dunlap has been head coach at Harris-Stowe State University (NAIA) in St. Louis for the past four years. His teams have averaged 20+ wins and won three conference championships, including this season. Currently 23-9, they'll be going to the national NAIA tournament for the third time in his tenure.
How would BN have turned around Chesapeake CC this season, or more importantly how would Andy Sachs turn around HC? I don't know the answer but I know Andy has never lost anywhere. There has to be a reason why. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 11, 2020 16:01:15 GMT -5
Andy Sachs completed his first season at Chesapeake CC. His club went 18-9, its first winning season in eight years - they were 8-16 last year.
Brion Dunlap has been head coach at Harris-Stowe State University (NAIA) in St. Louis for the past four years. His teams have averaged 20+ wins and won three conference championships, including this season. Currently 23-9, they'll be going to the national NAIA tournament for the third time in his tenure.
How would BN have turned around Chesapeake CC this season, or more importantly how would Andy Sachs turn around HC? I don't know the answer but I know Andy has never lost anywhere. There has to be a reason why. Not that TPTB read Crossports for coaching suggestions, but I brought Coach Sach's name up for the Brown, Carmody, and Nelson hirings. You said it. He wins everywhere |
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Post by HC92 on Mar 11, 2020 16:54:06 GMT -5
I think Andy is from the RW school of figuring out what your current roster can do well and focusing on that. BN is from the “I want to play a certain way and I’m willing to take my lumps in the short term to get to the point where we can play that way.”
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2020 17:20:32 GMT -5
Fingers crossed Nelson in is a superior recruiter.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 11, 2020 19:31:00 GMT -5
I think Andy is from the RW school of figuring out what your current roster can do well and focusing on that. BN is from the “I want to play a certain way and I’m willing to take my lumps in the short term to get to the point where we can play that way.” Not fair to infer that lumps are being caused by Nelson’s approach and/or that he had other options. We were a last place PL team with a vastly superior roster and zone defense last year. Nelson is trying to install a man-to-man defense and aggressive culture in the program. It’s not like he’s trying to be the only coach in America playing a triangle-and-2 and forcing his players to tie their shoes together. |
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Post by deep Purple on Mar 11, 2020 20:09:22 GMT -5
How would BN have turned around Chesapeake CC this season, or more importantly how would Andy Sachs turn around HC? I don't know the answer but I know Andy has never lost anywhere. There has to be a reason why. Not that TPTB read Crossports for coaching suggestions, but I brought Coach Sach's name up for the Brown, Carmody, and Nelson hirings. You said it. He wins everywhere He wouldn't have won here with the roster left by Carmody. No one would. This is a minimum three year rebuild. |
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Post by HC92 on Mar 11, 2020 21:21:34 GMT -5
I think Andy is from the RW school of figuring out what your current roster can do well and focusing on that. BN is from the “I want to play a certain way and I’m willing to take my lumps in the short term to get to the point where we can play that way.” Not fair to infer that lumps are being caused by Nelson’s approach and/or that he had other options. We were a last place PL team with a vastly superior roster and zone defense last year. Nelson is trying to install a man-to-man defense and aggressive culture in the program. It’s not like he’s trying to be the only coach in America playing a triangle-and-2 and forcing his players to tie their shoes together. Not saying it’s Nelson’s fault we were terrible. Saying he didn’t seem to make much effort to do anything other than what he said he wanted to do at his press conference before he really saw what he had or didn’t here. Even if he had, we would have won single digit games with all of the injuries, disappearances and defections. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2020 21:29:46 GMT -5
We looked worse in February than we did in November. He said the opposite of that would happen.
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Post by HCFC45 on Mar 11, 2020 21:35:40 GMT -5
We looked worse in February than we did in November. He said the opposite of that would happen. Yes he did say that, but in his defense, he certainly did not know that 5 players he had in November would not be with the team February. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 11, 2020 21:35:54 GMT -5
We looked worse in February than we did in November. He said the opposite of that would happen. The second best player on one of the thinnest rosters in America was on the team in November and not in February. Find me a team who looks better without their one and only point guard. You can’t. |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 12, 2020 7:22:13 GMT -5
We looked worse in February than we did in November. He said the opposite of that would happen. Respectfully, I would disagree. The team lost in February and a loss is a loss. However, those players who were there looked better individually at the end of the season than at the start. IMHO, judging this rebuilding now at the end of year one is not necessarily productive since we will be looking back in a year or two and be better able then to say just howbadd (or good) this was in terms of how the program developed. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 12, 2020 7:49:02 GMT -5
Not that TPTB read Crossports for coaching suggestions, but I brought Coach Sach's name up for the Brown, Carmody, and Nelson hirings. You said it. He wins everywhere He wouldn't have won here with the roster left by Carmody. No one would. This is a minimum three year rebuild. I never claimed he would. I merely stated that at the onset of the last three coaching searches, he would be worth looking at because he has a good track record everywhere and understands HC and the PL. I stand by my statement that Coach Sachs is a good coach. That does not mean he should have been hired instead of Coach Nelson, That does not mean he would have led this group to the Sweet 16. That does not mean he is a miracle worker or a better coach than John Wooden. It simply means that he is a good coach. |
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Post by dadominate on Mar 12, 2020 9:43:37 GMT -5
sachs is a heck of a coach. he doesn't have the "pedigree" of some of our recent hires, but he has won wherever he has gone... and won quickly.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 12, 2020 10:05:58 GMT -5
We looked worse in February than we did in November. He said the opposite of that would happen. The second best player on one of the thinnest rosters in America was on the team in November and not in February. Find me a team who looks better without their one and only point guard. You can’t. nice to see you finally acknowledge the critical blow the lowder situation dealt the team this year. and we need to hope the effects do not carry over into years 2 or 3 and that rj johnson is the real deal (i think he is), does not get hurt, or does not end up in nelson's doghouse. i'm sure in your view the nelson/lowder conflict was 101% lowder's fault, but there is almost always shared culpability in these types of player/coach problems. player relationships and roster management are increasingly important and it cannot be "my way or the highway" in 2020 unless you are coach k, calipari, or other elder statesmen who select, not recruit and have an endless supply of talent. we are not in that situation. i am hopeful that nelson learned his lesson and that strict rules on players not wearing hats, headphones, having to sit in the front of the class is a little bit much for a school like hc. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 12, 2020 13:45:44 GMT -5
The second best player on one of the thinnest rosters in America was on the team in November and not in February. Find me a team who looks better without their one and only point guard. You can’t. nice to see you finally acknowledge the critical blow the lowder situation dealt the team this year. and we need to hope the effects do not carry over into years 2 or 3 and that rj johnson is the real deal (i think he is), does not get hurt, or does not end up in nelson's doghouse. i'm sure in your view the nelson/lowder conflict was 101% lowder's fault, but there is almost always shared culpability in these types of player/coach problems. player relationships and roster management are increasingly important and it cannot be "my way or the highway" in 2020 unless you are coach k, calipari, or other elder statesmen who select, not recruit and have an endless supply of talent. we are not in that situation. i am hopeful that nelson learned his lesson and that strict rules on players not wearing hats, headphones, having to sit in the front of the class is a little bit much for a school like hc. Nelson/Lowder conflict 101% Lowder's fault -- straw man Nelson was "my way or the highway" -- straw man Lowder left because Nelson was too strict about hats, headphones, and seats -- straw man ------------------ Lowder is the only real contributor who departed from the team. Maybe we should see how things play out before we decide that Nelson is a lab created monster that has combined the worst of Bobby Knight, Nick Saban, Bill Belichick, etc. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 12, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -5
The only mataphor/phrase that is misused more often than "straw man" is "sour grapes", a phrase of considerable value, and easy to understand, but one which so many misuse ro mean carping or whining. Here's a definition of "straw man" so we can all use it accurately.
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."
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