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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 13:47:06 GMT -5
I’ll take Pridgen, for $500, Alex. no blasphemy here, please Hope I’m wrong but, if WG is right that three more are leaving, those are the most likely three in my opinion.
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Post by Ray on Mar 16, 2020 13:47:13 GMT -5
I think Dean Wormer's been pretty clear that unfounded speculation about this kind of stuff is out of bounds.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 16, 2020 13:52:11 GMT -5
no blasphemy here, please Hope I’m wrong but, if WG is right that three more are leaving, those are the most likely three in my opinion. Just to clarify . . . I said "as many as" three.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 14:22:44 GMT -5
Hope I’m wrong but, if WG is right that three more are leaving, those are the most likely three in my opinion. Just to clarify . . . I said "as many as" three. Hopefully it’s as few as zero!
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Post by timholycross on Mar 16, 2020 14:28:02 GMT -5
I think Dean Wormer's been pretty clear that unfounded speculation about this kind of stuff is out of bounds. I pulled my last post so as to conform to that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 16, 2020 14:30:22 GMT -5
Yes--guess that many observers must be thinking "What is wrong at HC to make so many players bail out?" I'm guessing the NCAA rules and the fact they played this year mean Faw, Butler, Niego will be with us next year. If we can keep Joe Pridgen and if the incoming freshmen do not bail out we should be able to put a team on the court next season. Hopefully Ryan Wade and maybe Yeutter and Reilly will be there also. Oversight on my part. I certainly hope they all return—
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 16, 2020 15:19:08 GMT -5
Who are your guesses, might as well let it all hang out. Copeland and who else? I’ll take Pridgen, Sandy and Reilly for $500, Alex. FWIW, Pridgen and Sandy were in Michigan recently with Lowder. That may mean nothing, but who knows.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 16, 2020 15:29:01 GMT -5
Just another peaceful day on Mount St . James, another player gone and the women's coach gone.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -5
Just another peaceful day on Mount St . James, another player gone and the women's coach gone. Maybe the plan is just to merge the two teams. We’d save money and be perceived as leaders in gender equality. Win-win.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 16, 2020 15:32:43 GMT -5
Nobody is coming to the Patriot League. I feel bad for the coaches, it's not easy to recruit when you come in last in a bad league. No one ever comes to the Patriot League since the "league" does not recruit. However, there will be some talented players coming to be part of the team at Holy Cross. Also, there is no doubt that HC will have a full team in the fall (both for practice and for games). To say they will field a team...as if the one who posted was really surprised by that...must be part of a bad joke.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 16, 2020 15:50:05 GMT -5
I’ll take Pridgen, Sandy and Reilly for $500, Alex. FWIW, Pridgen and Sandy were in Michigan recently with Lowder. That may mean nothing, but who knows. pridgen leaving would be a dagger to this program. nelson would have to be the next pitino when it comes to recruiting to have us contending for the pl title in the next few years. agree with nad that the optics of six players (or more) leaving the program over the last year is concerning.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 16, 2020 15:56:24 GMT -5
Sandy (who's a British citizen) is staying with the Wades.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 16, 2020 15:56:44 GMT -5
I’ll take Pridgen, Sandy and Reilly for $500, Alex. FWIW, Pridgen and Sandy were in Michigan recently with Lowder. That may mean nothing, but who knows. interesting. also interesting that lowder remains popular with his teammates, the way his character was defamed after being benched and leaving the program. definitely not a bad kid.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 16, 2020 15:58:07 GMT -5
Sandy (who's a British citizen) is staying with the Wades. the wades definitely appear to be good people by all measures.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 15:59:54 GMT -5
Let’s assume for this purpose that Sandy and Reilly don’t have scholarships or don’t return. Here’s how we right the ship quickly.
Add one more stud to the graduating Class of 2024 which would put 5 in that class. Recruit two studs who have two years left and put them with Wade and Pridgen in the Class of 2023. That’s 4 in that class. Add 3 studs in the Class of 2025. Save one scholarship for that special transfer in any class or hold it for the Class of 2026. Voila. Sweet Sixteen in two years and we just reload from there.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 16, 2020 16:24:51 GMT -5
Just another peaceful day on Mount St . James, another player gone and the women's coach gone. It is sad, but given all we are dealing with I am going to smile and laugh a little. spoke with NIAID, CDC, Gates and Apple laughter is the best option
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 16, 2020 16:43:48 GMT -5
You bet. When you measure what happened today at HC against what is happening everywhere else in the world, it's pretty small potatoes. Which reminds me, Happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone (one day early).
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Post by trimster on Mar 16, 2020 17:03:58 GMT -5
Attracting transfers that are worth it might not be that easy. HC has a fairly limited course/major offering, no grad school for a fifth year, a currently poor basketball program, an uninspiring league, an unproven coach, a tough admissions criteria, and a partridge in a pear tree. A high academic kid who is lighting up D-2 or 3 might be an option. That sounds a lot like where Colgate was 3-4 years ago and their coaching staff was able bring in at least one very good transfer and I believe others as well. Exactly may be a more appropriate description than a lot like.
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Post by Tom on Mar 16, 2020 20:32:18 GMT -5
Sandy (who's a British citizen) is staying with the Wades. Makes sense. If he leaves the country, who knows when he can come back with our current situation. Hopefully, Joe is just out there for a bit hanging with his pals
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Post by bison137 on Mar 16, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
Attracting transfers that are worth it might not be that easy. HC has a fairly limited course/major offering, no grad school for a fifth year, a currently poor basketball program, an uninspiring league, an unproven coach, a tough admissions criteria, and a partridge in a pear tree. That sounds a lot like where Colgate was 3-4 years ago and their coaching staff was able bring in at least one very good transfer and I believe others as well. Langel has brought in seven good D1 transfers, plus a juco.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 16, 2020 22:50:27 GMT -5
FWIW, Pridgen and Sandy were in Michigan recently with Lowder. That may mean nothing, but who knows. interesting. also interesting that lowder remains popular with his teammates, the way his character was defamed after being benched and leaving the program. definitely not a bad kid. Completely ridiculous. If a kid is not interested in playing defense and/or is not interested on being anything other than a ball-dominant PG, that does not make him a bad kid, and nobody on here has said that.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 16, 2020 23:33:07 GMT -5
interesting. also interesting that lowder remains popular with his teammates, the way his character was defamed after being benched and leaving the program. definitely not a bad kid. Completely ridiculous. If a kid is not interested in playing defense and/or is not interested on being anything other than a ball-dominant PG, that does not make him a bad kid, and nobody on here has said that. "not interested in playing defense". not a very good defender, sure. not a defense-first player, definitely. this is less than a half a season into his freshman year, mind you, playing on what was one of the worst defensive teams in america that was substantially worse after he was benched and left the program. not interested in playing defense? total bs. "ball-dominant pg"? not even sure what that means, you may want to check the assists numbers, both on an absolute basis and relative to other hc point guards of the past. again, this was less than halfway into a freshman year with less surrounding talent than many other hc point guards. perhaps an offensive-minded pg is what a program like ours with very few offensive options needs. we will need scoring from johnson next year. lowder's attitude, grades, and selfishness were all called into question here. we get it, in your view the transfer is 101% on lowder, -1% on nelson. just like everything else in this program. i suspect there was more even distribution of blame and the more players that leave the program, uninspring as some of their performance was, the more that balance tilts. the reality is that nelson's ability to make the most out of a roster and manage personnel are question marks right now to anyone with a shred of objectivity. he was a first year head coach and i hope he is learning. slack is there for now, but cutting slack for more than a handful of players leaving a program and 20+ loss seasons in the patriot league doesn't last forever.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 17, 2020 0:29:02 GMT -5
Between Nelson and Blossom I thought the skill (and effort) should have been there to bring Lowder back to the team. But they both (the adults) are rookies and should improve as they gain experience.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 17, 2020 7:34:14 GMT -5
Completely ridiculous. If a kid is not interested in playing defense and/or is not interested on being anything other than a ball-dominant PG, that does not make him a bad kid, and nobody on here has said that. "not interested in playing defense". not a very good defender, sure. not a defense-first player, definitely. this is less than a half a season into his freshman year, mind you, playing on what was one of the worst defensive teams in america that was substantially worse after he was benched and left the program. not interested in playing defense? total bs. "ball-dominant pg"? not even sure what that means, you may want to check the assists numbers, both on an absolute basis and relative to other hc point guards of the past. again, this was less than halfway into a freshman year with less surrounding talent than many other hc point guards. perhaps an offensive-minded pg is what a program like ours with very few offensive options needs. we will need scoring from johnson next year. lowder's attitude, grades, and selfishness were all called into question here. we get it, in your view the transfer is 101% on lowder, -1% on nelson. just like everything else in this program. i suspect there was more even distribution of blame and the more players that leave the program, uninspring as some of their performance was, the more that balance tilts. the reality is that nelson's ability to make the most out of a roster and manage personnel are question marks right now to anyone with a shred of objectivity. he was a first year head coach and i hope he is learning. slack is there for now, but cutting slack for more than a handful of players leaving a program and 20+ loss seasons in the patriot league doesn't last forever. Very defensive. Must have been a very special connection on that November night in College Park. —- A high number of players leaving a successful program when a new coach comes in is a red flag. A high number of players leaving a lousy program whose head coach had essentially packed it in and was asleep at the wheel when a new coach comes in is not necessarily a red flag. Who Nelson replaces these scholarships with and how he runs the program going forward is what’s most important. For example, based on what I’ve seen and read (caveat: I wasn’t there for that night in College Park when magic was in the air), I would much prefer to have RJ Johnson leading this program from the poor shape it’s in right now than Lowder. Much prefer Rabinovich getting any of Verbeek’s minutes, and much prefer Humphrey and Martindale getting any of Copeland and Hargris’s minutes. What’s coming in > what’s going out
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 17, 2020 7:35:36 GMT -5
Between Nelson and Blossom I thought the skill (and effort) should have been there to bring Lowder back to the team. But they both (the adults) are rookies and should improve as they gain experience. The absolutely wrong way to build a program. If we wanted our coach to not care about actually building a culture of accountability and discipline, we could have just kept kicking the can down the street with .400 Carmody.
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