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Post by timholycross on Jun 17, 2021 15:10:18 GMT -5
Whoever spread the rumor that ND would ever play Holy Cross in a Bowl Game and got someone to believe them is the kind of salesperson I want working for me.
Gator Bowl as well; in the 80s that was a fairly significant game.
The Independence Bowl story might have some legs. But, never, ever did any of the coaches let on that the 1986 or 1987 regular season finales (when Gordie was ruling the roost) were anything except the final game of the season.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 18, 2021 11:04:37 GMT -5
Whoever spread the rumor that ND would ever play Holy Cross in a Bowl Game and got someone to believe them is the kind of salesperson I want working for me. Gator Bowl as well; in the 80s that was a fairly significant game. The Independence Bowl story might have some legs. But, never, ever did any of the coaches let on that the 1986 or 1987 regular season finales (when Gordie was ruling the roost) were anything except the final game of the season. Remember that empty feeling. HC had it's best teams in years and were blocked from challenging themselves in the post season and securing positive attention for the school. It was so obviously a poor policy that even the Patriot League changed it. A credit to Duffner he didn't make a stink to agitate and polarize the HC community. Too much of that in this world. He has class.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 18, 2021 19:12:43 GMT -5
Whoever spread the rumor that ND would ever play Holy Cross in a Bowl Game and got someone to believe them is the kind of salesperson I want working for me. Gator Bowl as well; in the 80s that was a fairly significant game. The Independence Bowl story might have some legs. But, never, ever did any of the coaches let on that the 1986 or 1987 regular season finales (when Gordie was ruling the roost) were anything except the final game of the season. Remember that empty feeling. HC had it's best teams in years and were blocked from challenging themselves in the post season and securing positive attention for the school. It was so obviously a poor policy that even the Patriot League changed it. A credit to Duffner he didn't make a stink to agitate and polarize the HC community. Too much of that in this world. He has class. I felt emptier when in the mid 90s they changed the policy but HC, due to self-inflicted wounds; was in no position to contend to for the league championship.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 18, 2021 20:43:31 GMT -5
About the only "bowl talk" I can remember in my lifetime was when we started 5-0 in 1978...there were a couple new bowl games that year I believe. Rutgers, who we lost to that year in a decent 31-21 game ultimately went to the Garden State Bowl that year.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 19, 2021 10:59:22 GMT -5
About the only "bowl talk" I can remember in my lifetime was when we started 5-0 in 1978...there were a couple new bowl games that year I believe. Rutgers, who we lost to that year in a decent 31-21 game ultimately went to the Garden State Bowl that year. All I remember is Perry Sr. throwing it out there in a radio interview mid-season 1987 during one of the games. Said something to the effect of "We'd find out if we can go if someone out there wants us to play in their bowl game". Whether someone did or not I'm skeptical, but stranger things have happened. And, if it did, the other hurdle (Brooks) clearly was not overcome.
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Post by purple1 on Jun 19, 2021 19:26:26 GMT -5
3-4 bowl committees contacted HC about playing that year. The Liberty Bowl started collecting publicity from the SID office to use in producing the TV production. They liked the premise of two Catholic schools with rich athletic traditions facing off. A requirement for HC was to purchase 10,000 tickets as a guarantee....then sell thru ticket office. This could have been a damaging factor in the decision and HC was not participating in the 1-AA playoffs as the #1 team in the country, plus academic interference with finals. Brooks made the decision to stay home and take finals.
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Post by purple1 on Jun 19, 2021 19:31:02 GMT -5
Remember Gordie was also a viable Heisman candidate for the second year in a row, further publicity for the bowl committee to exploit on Holy Cross behalf. Hard to believe it has been 34 years ago....
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 20, 2021 4:01:32 GMT -5
This is all very interesting to me. Has a 1-AA/FCS team ever participated in a 1-A/FBS bowl game?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 20, 2021 8:25:06 GMT -5
This is all very interesting to me. Has a 1-AA/FCS team ever participated in a 1-A/FBS bowl game? The Celebration Bowl, with a $2 million payout (a million per conference) is played between representatives of the MEAC and the SWAC. FCS teams are eligible for bowls but this is the only one an FCS team played in after the 2019 season.
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Post by trimster on Jun 20, 2021 8:35:47 GMT -5
This is all very interesting to me. Has a 1-AA/FCS team ever participated in a 1-A/FBS bowl game? The Celebration Bowl, with a $2 million payout (a million per conference) is played between representatives of the MEAC and the SWAC. FCS teams are eligible for bowls but this is the only one an FCS team played in after the 2019 season. How do these lesser bowls pay out this kind of money, ( a million here, a million there, now you are talking some real money), when hardly anyone’s goes to the game.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 20, 2021 8:47:43 GMT -5
The Celebration Bowl, with a $2 million payout (a million per conference) is played between representatives of the MEAC and the SWAC. FCS teams are eligible for bowls but this is the only one an FCS team played in after the 2019 season. How do these lesser bowls pay out this kind of money, ( a million here, a million there, now you are talking some real money), when hardly anyone’s goes to the game. It does seem crazy but I’m guessing the math works. I know there was a minimum ticket number that the participating schools had to get to when UConn was in one of the bigger bowls (Fiesta?) back in the day. So, there might be more tickets paid for than bodies in the seats if that’s a thing at the lesser bowls. When you add in sponsorships, any money for broadcast rights, parking, concessions, etc, there’s probably more revenue than you would think. ACTP would probably know whether and how those games make money.
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Post by trimster on Jun 20, 2021 9:56:05 GMT -5
I am thinking concessions and parking income is minimal and ticket sales aren’t much above those. My first inclination is to say a lot of the money is from sponsorships.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 20, 2021 11:12:37 GMT -5
Title sponsor, second tier sponsors, TV rights, on-site advertising sales, and must-buy tix per school (12,500 per team currently for the BCS championship series I believe, less for the pre-Jan 1st games) - dictated by each bowl's committee make up the lion's share of the $ bowls earn. Bowls set the # of required tix based off the other revenue to assure they won't lose $.
Conn for example lost 1.6 million to get their ass kicked in the Fiesta Bowl by Okla because they were unable to sell their allotment of tix.
Also - bowls are heavily staffed by volunteers which cuts costs, and each makes sure they turn some sort of profit. Some participating schools do loose $, but not as many as in the past.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 20, 2021 18:01:06 GMT -5
How do these lesser bowls pay out this kind of money, ( a million here, a million there, now you are talking some real money), when hardly anyone’s goes to the game. It does seem crazy but I’m guessing the math works. I know there was a minimum ticket number that the participating schools had to get to when UConn was in one of the bigger bowls (Fiesta?) back in the day. So, there might be more tickets paid for than bodies in the seats if that’s a thing at the lesser bowls. When you add in sponsorships, any money for broadcast rights, parking, concessions, etc, there’s probably more revenue than you would think. ACTP would probably know whether and how those games make money. Here is your information on ESPN owning bowl games and events... www.firstresponderbowl.com/news/2020/12/15/utsa-to-play-in-2020-servpro-first-responder-bowlThis article goes into how they broadcast other events they don't own directly www.bannersociety.com/2017/12/15/20707270/espn-bowl-games-playoff
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