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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 28, 2020 14:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2020 14:28:19 GMT -5
I posted a longer version under Future Football games.
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2020 15:11:45 GMT -5
How is this different than the Crusader Athletic Fund?
For what it's worth, I donated to that fund earlier this year. The Tom fiscal year and the HC fiscal year are not the same, so even though I think I already donated this year, they think I donated last year. With 245 days to go, plenty of time to procrastinate to get us on the same time frame again
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2020 15:18:55 GMT -5
On a side note to make Sader1970 happy, I just saw the E-mail about this. The word "Crusader" appears 4 times in the body of AD Bloom's letter. Other times in the header and footer of the E-mail. He is really pumping our Crusader brand even without styrofoam Iggy
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 28, 2020 15:29:12 GMT -5
Good for him!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2020 15:50:08 GMT -5
OK, I'll rise to your bait. Here's the ongoing thing with me and the Crusader. In for a penny, in for a pound. You can't have it both ways. You can't have your cake and eat it too. [trying to get all the cliches I can here ] If you buy the premise that the Crusades from many centuries ago are offensive to people of the 21st century, then you don't simply abandon a logo/mascot, styrofoam or clothe, seated on a horse with a lance or a broadsword, you stop using the name too. You shouldn't pretend you are a Crusader by using the name but be ashamed or embarrassed to use a symbol which not one person believes appears threatening to anyone. TPTB apparently like to play the game that "Crusader" might mean someone who fights for a just cause . . . . just not fighting for Christianity. You know, the religion that founded the College. Waiting to receive my Purple Knight pin any day now in the mail. Happy, Tom?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2020 15:51:52 GMT -5
Different name. Same hoped for result: more money. This new one, however, tugs at your heart strings due to the pandemic.
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2020 17:23:42 GMT -5
Wasn't trying to bait. I really thought you would be pleased at the heavy use of the phrase Crusader. Apparently, I did not fully understand your position on the matter
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2020 17:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 29, 2020 0:59:01 GMT -5
OK, I'll rise to your bait. Here's the ongoing thing with me and the Crusader. In for a penny, in for a pound. You can't have it both ways. You can't have your cake and eat it too. [trying to get all the cliches I can here ] If you buy the premise that the Crusades from many centuries ago are offensive to people of the 21st century, then you don't simply abandon a logo/mascot, styrofoam or clothe, seated on a horse with a lance or a broadsword, you stop using the name too. You shouldn't pretend you are a Crusader by using the name but be ashamed or embarrassed to use a symbol which not one person believes appears threatening to anyone. TPTB apparently like to play the game that "Crusader" might mean someone who fights for a just cause . . . . just not fighting for Christianity. You know, the religion that founded the College. Waiting to receive my Purple Knight pin any day now in the mail. Happy, Tom? A couple of years ago during the discussion of dropping the Crusader, I was visiting family in Shrewsbury, Ma. and came across a basketball game on the SELCO cable access channel. One of the Shrewsbury elementary schools was playing against Venerini Academy, an independent Catholic Elementary School in Worcester, in the Venerini Gym. The Venerini sports mascot must also be Crusaders because the (single) camera kept capturing Crusader images in full Knight Regalia on the Gym wall. It gave me a chuckle because a couple of miles away high on a hill at Holy Cross the powerful implicit symbolism of the Crusader was being put under a microscope and hotly debated while these kids were just glad to be playing basketball and probably proud to have the same team name as the Catholic College on the nearby hill. The only defense I have for TPTB is even if one is a Trustee and strongly, defiantly committed to the Crusader, you still have to count votes and come up with some kind of compromise if the board is split in their opinions or even if they aren't, if there are different opinions among the College's constituencies. Perhaps after Coronavirus students will be less interested in abstract symbolism and more focused on a good education and Iggy can rise from the dead under a new administration.
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 29, 2020 8:13:33 GMT -5
The Whitinsville Christian School is just south of Worcester, AVB's high school, and they are also the Crusaders.
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Post by trimster on Oct 29, 2020 8:23:11 GMT -5
Ditch the shield and bring back the head of the knight, sans sword. It was at one time referred to as the tertiary logo.
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Post by Tom on Oct 29, 2020 8:52:17 GMT -5
The Whitinsville Christian School is just south of Worcester, AVB's high school, and they are also the Crusaders. The Nativity school of Worcester is a Jesuit middle school. There is a lot of crossover in the Boards of Directors at HC and Nativity. Also HC has the only Jesuit residence in Worcester County. Their color is purple, but they are the Knights
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Post by gks on Oct 29, 2020 12:34:59 GMT -5
The Whitinsville Christian School is just south of Worcester, AVB's high school, and they are also the Crusaders. Groton-Dunstable Regional High School in MA are the Crusaders as well.
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Post by joe on Oct 29, 2020 15:32:38 GMT -5
The Whitinsville Christian School is just south of Worcester, AVB's high school, and they are also the Crusaders. Groton-Dunstable Regional High School in MA are the Crusaders as well. As is Carver High. Maybe others?
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Post by ts1970 on Oct 29, 2020 15:50:42 GMT -5
I always thought HC should have had a large crusader statue on horseback or sans horse with shield and sword pointing to the sky on campus at the circle in front of O’Kane or up by the athletic complex. Very inspirational. Guess it would have been scrapped by now anyway ............so look at the money we saved!! To the day I die, I still won’t understand how HC could have caved, in all reality, on this non issue, and I am not a fan of DJT.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 29, 2020 16:49:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure the school was sick of the Big East having the exclusive rights to “stupidest HC decision ever” so they came up with the cockeyed scheme to keep the name but ditch the imagery. Tried to make everyone happy. Made no one happy. Only a matter of time before the name comes up for debate again.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 29, 2020 17:00:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure the school was sick of the Big East having the exclusive rights to “stupidest HC decision ever” so they came up with the cockeyed scheme to keep the name but ditch the imagery. Tried to make everyone happy. Made no one happy. Only a matter of time before the name comes up for debate again. I am OK with reopening the debate...as long as reinstating the Crusader image can be reopened as well. After all, as one Purple "snowflake" obsrved the first time through..."If one person is unhappy, a change must be made."
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Post by trimster on Oct 29, 2020 19:18:19 GMT -5
I always thought HC should have had a large crusader statue on horseback or sans horse with shield and sword pointing to the sky on campus at the circle in front of O’Kane or up by the athletic complex. Very inspirational. Guess it would have been scrapped by now anyway ............so look at the money we saved!! To the day I die, I still won’t understand how HC could have caved, in all reality, on this non issue, and I am not a fan of DJT. Speaking of a horseless Crusader statue that is what the annual Crusader of the Year award presented to the most outstanding senior student-athlete, looked like. Does anyone know what has replaced it or is it still in use. I believe the Crusader held a shield and a sword pointed at the base.
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Post by Tom on Oct 30, 2020 7:55:28 GMT -5
Groton-Dunstable Regional High School in MA are the Crusaders as well. As is Carver High. Maybe others? The one in MA, yes. I don't think that is true for the more famous Carver High in LA - the one with the really good basketball team
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