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Post by timholycross on Dec 3, 2020 9:41:17 GMT -5
Must have timed the injury.rehab just right because Fergie only pitched 16 less innings (193) in 1977 to what he pitched in 1976; his two years w/the Sox. Achilles are usually pretty long recoveries.
18-8 with the Rangers in 1978. Given the Red Sox got someone (John Poloni) who never played for them, I'd have to say that trade was the difference of at least one game between them and the Yanks that year. And one game was all that was needed to avoid the tragedy of Bucky Dent.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2020 9:44:33 GMT -5
Is that the legendary Bucky ___in' Dent? Yankee fans loved him!
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Post by Tom on Dec 3, 2020 10:26:59 GMT -5
Is that the legendary Bucky ___in' Dent? Yankee fans loved him! That corked bat did get him a World Series MVP
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Post by rickii on Dec 3, 2020 10:29:32 GMT -5
Yes what could have been if O'Connor and Perry had not gone down that year. Indeed. AIR, 6'8" 225 and an above average leaper....very athletic.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2020 10:34:49 GMT -5
You recall correctly
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2020 11:01:23 GMT -5
Is that the legendary Bucky ___in' Dent? Yankee fans loved him! That corked bat did get him a World Series MVP Dent borrowed Mickey Rivers bat, It has never been proven that the bat was "adjusted" in any improper way. "Rivers insists it was just magic. "Nah no cork in the bat," Rivers said. "It was just lucky. I tell everybody; sometimes you just got to believe. I was just pulling for my homie." After the homer, New York held on to the lead and won the game 5–4. The Yankees went on to win the World Series. " Of course, I understand why a Sox fan might think differently.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2020 12:18:13 GMT -5
Imagine if O'Connor and RP could have played with Mike "Vincens" and "George" Browne against Michigan......Curt "Goudie" may have been able to call a Saders victory over the Wolverines..
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Post by Tom on Dec 3, 2020 12:19:54 GMT -5
That corked bat did get him a World Series MVP Dent borrowed Mickey Rivers bat, It has never been proven that the bat was "adjusted" in any improper way. "Rivers insists it was just magic. "Nah no cork in the bat," Rivers said. "It was just lucky. I tell everybody; sometimes you just got to believe. I was just pulling for my homie." After the homer, New York held on to the lead and won the game 5–4. The Yankees went on to win the World Series. " Of course, I understand why a Sox fan might think differently. BFD has said he was using Rivers' bat. Rivers admitted some years ago that the bat was corked. BFD says he knows of nothing wrong with the bat
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2020 13:06:57 GMT -5
I could not find any record of Rivers saying that. A Boston urban myth? ...sort of like saying Big Poppy did not take PEDs?
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Post by HC13 on Dec 3, 2020 13:08:50 GMT -5
Yes what could have been if O'Connor and Perry had not gone down that year. Indeed. AIR, 6'8" 225 and an above average leaper....very athletic. Also, a very, very smart boy, HC Scholar Athletic of the Year & IIRC, he when on the get a PH.D at Yale, Physics I think
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 3, 2020 16:56:20 GMT -5
Must have timed the injury.rehab just right because Fergie only pitched 16 less innings (193) in 1977 to what he pitched in 1976; his two years w/the Sox. Achilles are usually pretty long recoveries. 18-8 with the Rangers in 1978. Given the Red Sox got someone (John Poloni) who never played for them, I'd have to say that trade was the difference of at least one game between them and the Yanks that year. And one game was all that was needed to avoid the tragedy of Bucky Dent. I must be mis-remembering who it was, but I'm confident that it was a Red Sox pitcher. Checking up on Fergie, I see that in 1971 he had thirty complete games in thirty-nine starts - and a slugging percentage of .478 with six home runs and 20 RBIs in 115 at-bats. He also walked only thirty-seven batters in 325 innings. They don't make 'em like that anymore!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 3, 2020 18:02:37 GMT -5
I recall that it was said that Fergie got stronger as the game progressed--he certainly had a lot of complete games even by 60's-70's standards
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Post by timholycross on Dec 3, 2020 20:55:27 GMT -5
Imagine if O'Connor and RP could have played with Mike "Vincens" and "George" Browne against Michigan......Curt "Goudie" may have been able to call a Saders victory over the Wolverines.. I'd have settled for Ronnie being able to recover from his high ankle sprain (IIRC) in the week in between the Providence game and the Michigan game. The PC game? I wouldn't trade anything about that game - best win of my HC fan career.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2020 21:04:19 GMT -5
Imagine if O'Connor and RP could have played with Mike "Vincens" and "George" Browne against Michigan......Curt "Goudie" may have been able to call a Saders victory over the Wolverines.. I'd have settled for Ronnie being able to recover from his high ankle sprain (IIRC) in the week in between the Providence game and the Michigan game. The PC game? I wouldn't trade anything about that game - best win of my HC fan career. Ditto
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2020 21:59:41 GMT -5
Re 1951 read some expert objective researchers like Joe Posnanski of The Athletic
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 3, 2020 22:14:50 GMT -5
Indeed. AIR, 6'8" 225 and an above average leaper....very athletic. Also, a very, very smart boy, HC Scholar Athletic of the Year & IIRC, he when on the get a PH.D at Yale, Physics I think Yes he received an AB in Physics/Math per the 1979 Purple Patcher. He did earn a doctorate in Physics at Yale. I believe he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate, but I don't think he got very far in the process. As I recall, he turned down Princeton and Pete Carril to come to HC. Don't think there is any chance that would happen today.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 3, 2020 22:39:35 GMT -5
Also, a very, very smart boy, HC Scholar Athletic of the Year & IIRC, he when on the get a PH.D at Yale, Physics I think Yes he received an AB in Physics/Math per the 1979 Purple Patcher. He did earn a doctorate in Physics at Yale. I believe he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate, but I don't think he got very far in the process. As I recall, he turned down Princeton and Pete Carril to come to HC. Don't think there is any chance that would happen today. R J Evans turned down Harvard to come to Holy Cross. Let's not just surrender when any of our target recruits get interest from the Ivies.
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Post by trimster on Dec 4, 2020 7:32:35 GMT -5
Also, a very, very smart boy, HC Scholar Athletic of the Year & IIRC, he when on the get a PH.D at Yale, Physics I think Yes he received an AB in Physics/Math per the 1979 Purple Patcher. He did earn a doctorate in Physics at Yale. I believe he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate, but I don't think he got very far in the process. As I recall, he turned down Princeton and Pete Carril to come to HC. Don't think there is any chance that would happen today. I believe he committed to HC very late in the recruiting process. I believe it was summer time when he committed.
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2020 8:59:10 GMT -5
Re: F----n' Bucky Dent's corked bat. The Red Sox generated controversy makes the HR and win more delicious. This after the fact complaint about cheating is similar to the Dodgers sign stealing complaint against the Giants in the'51 "Shot Heard Round World" season. I heard the game on radio, guys in Dad's office jumping for joy. Many years later to hear Branca & other Dodgers whining & complaining sweetened the win. The fact that Sox fans & Dodgers fans believed they were robbed? Schadenfreude. The Red Sox didn't generate the controversy. Mickey Rivers did when he said on some talk show that he was using corked bats and when Dent broke a bat, Rivers gave Dent one of Rivers' corked bats and Dent used it through the whole post season. Not whining or complaining, just re-stating what Rivers said, It is what it is. These things happen in baseball all the time, and MLB has always had a pretty laissez-faire attitude about it. Heck, Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -5
"He said on some talk show..."? How could I possibly defeat such logic, even though there is no record of that anywhere? If you have an actual source (other than "some talk show") I would be open to deafer it.
What about Big Poppi's PED use? Do you believe he never used?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2020 9:57:28 GMT -5
Alex Rodriguez Andy Petite Roger Clemens
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2020 10:02:31 GMT -5
Were those Big Poppi's suppliers? Actually, I am aware of the accusations of their use of PEDs. Your point?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2020 10:42:12 GMT -5
Were those Big Poppi's suppliers? Actually, I am aware of the accusations of their use of PEDs. Your point? People in glass houses...
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2020 11:31:28 GMT -5
You must know. my architect.
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2020 11:45:03 GMT -5
The Red Sox didn't generate the controversy. Mickey Rivers did when he said on some talk show that he was using corked bats and when Dent broke a bat, Rivers gave Dent one of Rivers' corked bats and Dent used it through the whole post season. Not whining or complaining, just re-stating what Rivers said, It is what it is. These things happen in baseball all the time, and MLB has always had a pretty laissez-faire attitude about it. Heck, Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame Hi, My apologies, if I did not express myself clearly. My point was Schadenfreude, the pleasure some take in the suffering of others. It was a bit "tongue in cheek." No offense meant to anyone. Stay well. Stay safe. mm I did not know what that word meant, but I absolutely take pleasure in Yankee suffering. I was rooting for the (Devil) Rays in game 7 of the ALCS over the Astros just so the Yankees could retain the title of only team to blow a 3-0 lead in a 7 game series
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