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Post by efg72 on Feb 23, 2021 21:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Feb 23, 2021 21:53:54 GMT -5
Absurd to have Gonzaga with all true mid majors
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Post by bison137 on Feb 23, 2021 22:17:04 GMT -5
Absurd to have Gonzaga with all true mid majors Agree 100%. They also shouldn't have all those A10 teams in a mid-major poll.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 23, 2021 23:01:28 GMT -5
Well, there are 5 legit high majors. The A10 is not one. The Athletic, very respected, puts the A10 with its other mid majors
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 24, 2021 4:03:30 GMT -5
Absurd to have Gonzaga with all true mid majors Is San Fran a mid major? St Mary's? If your answer is yes, than Gonzaga by definition is
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2021 5:39:46 GMT -5
I've always felt that since D-1 grew to over 300 schools conferences have shaken out into 3 groups: high, mid, and low majors. I use a rough guideline based on the post season.
High - always has multiple bids; most years has at least 1 team capable of getting to the final four (and capable of winning).
Mid - Usually (but not always) sends multiple teams to the dance; not a surprise when one gets out of the round of 64; occasionally has a team getting to the elite 8 but seldom beyond.
Low - almost always a bid 1 league; in most years it's a surprise for the champ to get out of the round of 64.
A couple of other thoughts:
Conferences can have outlier members, a prime example being Gonzaga. I consider the WCC to be a mid major, but GU has not been one for a long, long time.
Conferences change - 10 years ago by my guidelines I would have considered the CAA to be a mid major; now I consider it to be a good low major. Conference USA and the MAC are teetering between mid and low major in my mind; might be others.
Bottom line for me: I don't think the midmajormadness top 25 makes any sense, lumping in conferences like the A-10 and Mountain West with the PL, America East, etc.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 24, 2021 7:40:11 GMT -5
Gonzaga is the best team in the country, they are not a mid major. They have made the NCAA tournament over 20 years in a row under Few. That is not what mid major teams do.
Also Gonzaga has no football and no hockey. All they have is basketball and baseball to go all in on.
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Post by dadominate on Feb 24, 2021 10:09:41 GMT -5
isn't the classification of high major, mid major, and low major by conference and not by program?
gonzaga is clearly an outstanding program. but they are in a mid-major conference. i don't think many would consider the wcc a high major conference.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 24, 2021 10:15:31 GMT -5
There are no official classifications The conference is unofficially mid major except for Gonzaga which is logically high major
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2021 11:33:04 GMT -5
Gonzago (imho), while raising the level of their program to the elite level, has also helped raise the level of the WCC. Before 1999 in my mind they were a low major, probably similar to the MAAC. To a much lesser extent, Harvard has done that under Amaker. The Ivy (at least the top half) is a stronger league than it was prior to Amaker.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2021 11:35:48 GMT -5
Yes, in like fashion the ACC would certainly be classified as High Major while perennial cellar dweller bc might be regarded as a mid-major
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 24, 2021 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 24, 2021 13:35:14 GMT -5
we might disagree on who Gonzaga is.
Sadly we don't disagree about who we are.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 24, 2021 15:11:31 GMT -5
Sadly that is not correct. Some see clear improvement in our players and team from the start of the season, others look at the same players and see none. That is hardly unanimous.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 24, 2021 15:19:58 GMT -5
Yes, in like fashion the ACC would certainly be classified as High Major while perennial cellar dweller bc might be regarded as a mid-major No Wake Forest is still high major.. Their new coach may get them to the middle of the.pack. Maybe not Chris Paul and Tim Duncan level, but only BC may currently be at that mid.major level. But being in the ACC allows all teams to be potential high majors.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2021 15:24:39 GMT -5
Sadly that his not correct. Some see clear improvement in our players and team from the start of the season, others look at the same players and see none. That is hardly unanimous. I also make a comparison with last year--one measure to consider is that last year our opponents outscored us by an astounding 13.5 points per game in composite. This year it is 6.5 points per game--obviously we want to start winning more games but the improvement in scoring average is undeniably an encouraging sign.
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Post by Crosser on Feb 24, 2021 18:46:12 GMT -5
Sadly that his not correct. Some see clear improvement in our players and team from the start of the season, others look at the same players and see none. That is hardly unanimous. I also make a comparison with last year--one measure to consider is that last year our opponents outscored us by an astounding 13.5 points per game in composite. This year it is 6.5 points per game--obviously we want to start winning more games but the improvement in scoring average is undeniably an encouraging sign. Was last year‘s calculation based on all games or just conference games?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2021 18:48:52 GMT -5
all games
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