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Post by HC92 on Jun 5, 2021 8:56:20 GMT -5
It'll be interesting...probably will help at Hart moreso than Fitton as many of the imbibers watching the action on the gridiron tailgate already. Can't hurt though....jumbotron, Polar Park game and beer/wine sales ....it's like we're actually in the entertainment biz again. I don’t want to take the whole entertainment thing too far, but we might also want to consider putting a product on the field/court/ice that normal people (not those here) actually want to watch. I like that we’re piloting the concept with football but might be time to expand to other sports.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 5, 2021 8:59:49 GMT -5
If you have watched this program the last few years and don’t feel it’s a product worth watching then I don’t know what to tell you.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 5, 2021 9:07:15 GMT -5
If you have watched this program the last few years and don’t feel it’s a product worth watching then I don’t know what to tell you. He said, with the exception of football. There's not much of a reason for non-diehards to go to an HC basketball or hockey game right now, and hasn't been for the better part of a decade.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 5, 2021 9:12:34 GMT -5
When you offer beer in the stadium, that means tailgating ends before kickoff and you stay in stadium at halftime. Pretty simple formula that works for every other school in the country: Tailgate for 3 hours before, go root for the best team in the PL for four quarters and call it a day. HC87 and others will likely have a problem with this. Heck, he didn’t want to hire BC and spent the first year calling him Coach Ray Bans. But, we finally have a product worth rooting for, and so let’s enjoy the pregame, enjoy the game, and call that a great day. Out of curiosity, do people see having to go to the game after. 3-hour tailgate, with alcoholic beverages waiting for you inside, as an unfair punishment? Especially at Homecoming but also at other games: people don't enjoy tailgating only because they are endlessly consuming alcohol. Not everyone who wants to come to Holy Cross for a social event is that interested in watching the entirety of a football game. Unless the school outright enforces a ban on halftime tailgating, the practice will still continue. Nothing wrong with it. Plenty of major college and pro venues across the country where hundreds if not thousands of people never leave the parking lot. Personally, I'm someone who likes to watch the whole game. Others don't care as much. To each his/her own.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 5, 2021 14:53:40 GMT -5
I was very surprised to see this email come across my In Box, but pleasantly so! When I consider the hire of AD Marcus Blossom, the quality of our new coaches, our enhanced recruiting, the new video scoreboard, the Crusader Athletics Fund, the improved media and public relations, the Polar Park relationship, and now the beer and wine availability - I am impressed that the powers that be have gotten behind our athletics program in a big way that they have not been previously.
The availability of beer and wine at other college venues had generally been well received, and resulted in more fans in the stadium and more fannies in the stands at the start oft he game. It replaces tailgating for many, and for others, it offers a way to socialize and a reason to plan to get together and visit in the stadium before the game starts. It does not seem to result in more alcohol use. The alcohol was there already, and being consummed outside of the venue or inside in a surreptitious manner.
We are going into a big new football season this year with a great team, a great schedule and many new enhancements. The wind is at our backs! #Go Cross Go !
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 5, 2021 19:54:15 GMT -5
When you offer beer in the stadium, that means tailgating ends before kickoff and you stay in stadium at halftime. Pretty simple formula that works for every other school in the country: Tailgate for 3 hours before, go root for the best team in the PL for four quarters and call it a day. HC87 and others will likely have a problem with this. Heck, he didn’t want to hire BC and spent the first year calling him Coach Ray Bans. But, we finally have a product worth rooting for, and so let’s enjoy the pregame, enjoy the game, and call that a great day. Out of curiosity, do people see having to go to the game after. 3-hour tailgate, with alcoholic beverages waiting for you inside, as an unfair punishment? Especially at Homecoming but also at other games: people don't enjoy tailgating only because they are endlessly consuming alcohol. Not everyone who wants to come to Holy Cross for a social event is that interested in watching the entirety of a football game. Unless the school outright enforces a ban on halftime tailgating, the practice will still continue. Nothing wrong with it. Plenty of major college and pro venues across the country where hundreds if not thousands of people never leave the parking lot. Personally, I'm someone who likes to watch the whole game. Others don't care as much. To each his/her own. I can’t think of any other school where people leave the stadium to tailgate once the game begins.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2021 20:04:50 GMT -5
With only five home games a year in a stadium with a meticulously kept grass field, great sightlines and a winning team, it's a shame to miss the live action to drink which can be done anywhere anytime.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 5, 2021 20:34:31 GMT -5
If you have watched this program the last few years and don’t feel it’s a product worth watching then I don’t know what to tell you. Serious question: do you really think the plodding Degenhart-led offense of the last couple years would actually be attractive to casual fans? Chesney has done a great job with the defense and special teams, but, as great as these two have been, casual fans aren’t showing up to see Dobbs blow up a draw or Ng kick a field goal. Yes, winning is winning, but casual fans aren’t showing up to watch HC win ugly games in the Patriot League. Open up the offense!!!
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Post by hcpride on Jun 5, 2021 20:51:28 GMT -5
With only five home games a year in a stadium with a meticulously kept grass field, great sightlines and a winning team, it's a shame to miss the live action to drink which can be done anywhere anytime. Couldn’t one sip while watching? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 21:04:07 GMT -5
Interesting. I’m not at the age where drinking during the day or when I have to drive home is particularly appealing but it will be interesting to see how this goes and whether it impacts attendance in any way. I feel like I'm already at that age. I actually didn't start drinking coffee until my girlfriend (now fiancee) moved in with me at age 30. So now that I'm on that bandwagon, a nice hot cup of coffee in a treat I look forward to on the ride home from any event. I also have started to work in non-alcoholic beer into my day-drinking regimen. Why was that? I never drank coffee at HC. Not once. I look back at that now as strange as I also, didn’t start drinking coffee until 30s.
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Post by Tom on Jun 5, 2021 21:29:13 GMT -5
Same as Fenway if I'm not mistaken; i.e., no connection to rest of park. Past tense. There used to be a fence underneath and they checked your ticket so no one with a bleacher ticket could get under the grandstand section. That is no longer true
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 5, 2021 21:35:35 GMT -5
I feel like I'm already at that age. I actually didn't start drinking coffee until my girlfriend (now fiancee) moved in with me at age 30. So now that I'm on that bandwagon, a nice hot cup of coffee in a treat I look forward to on the ride home from any event. I also have started to work in non-alcoholic beer into my day-drinking regimen. Why was that? I never drank coffee at HC. Not once. I look back at that now as strange as I also, didn’t start drinking coffee until 30s. I try to look back at it through the lens of how much money I saved over the course of 10-15 years not drinking coffee. Never once waited on line at Cool Beans -- we both probably saved between $3,000 and $5,000 each between high school, college and the first near-decade of our professional careers not consuming. But I wouldn't be able to go without it now....
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Post by Tom on Jun 5, 2021 21:40:33 GMT -5
Especially at Homecoming but also at other games: people don't enjoy tailgating only because they are endlessly consuming alcohol. Not everyone who wants to come to Holy Cross for a social event is that interested in watching the entirety of a football game. Unless the school outright enforces a ban on halftime tailgating, the practice will still continue. Nothing wrong with it. Plenty of major college and pro venues across the country where hundreds if not thousands of people never leave the parking lot. Personally, I'm someone who likes to watch the whole game. Others don't care as much. To each his/her own. I can’t think of any other school where people leave the stadium to tailgate once the game begins. Interesting point. Does this policy (in reference to football) mean that people will not be allowed to leave at halftime? I hope not. Great potential for the rule of unintended consequences providing a negative result
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2021 21:51:23 GMT -5
With only five home games a year in a stadium with a meticulously kept grass field, great sightlines and a winning team, it's a shame to miss the live action to drink which can be done anywhere anytime. Couldn’t one sip while watching? Asking for a friend. On a hot September Saturday I'd drink an entire cold frosty but I would buy it from the concessionaire and not leave the game to drink it by a tailgate. If it is Schaeffer then I'd have to have more than one of course. I assume the beer will be sold in cups as even those unbreakable bottles can be used as projectiles.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2021 5:38:05 GMT -5
Ahh, Holy Cross, like many colleges, will want to be sure that whatever they use will be environmentally friendly. Agree bottles are likely out for the reason you stated but I can see them trying to be creative. I can't recall, since it's been so long since I was at Fitton (more than a year!!!) whether they had receptacles for recycling.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 6, 2021 5:41:39 GMT -5
I can’t think of any other school where people leave the stadium to tailgate once the game begins. Interesting point. Does this policy (in reference to football) mean that people will not be allowed to leave at halftime? I hope not. Great potential for the rule of unintended consequences providing a negative result Expect a no re-entry policy for Fitton. Once you are in, you will not be allowed to leave and return on the same ticket at any point during the game. I remembered during the 2019 season, on several occasions during and after halftime there was a very large and somewhat rowdy crowd tailgating on the baseball field. Apparently there will be uniform practice across all parking lots regarding hanging out once the game starts. You are correct, this policy will change our ability to ingress and egress from Fitton.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 6:09:39 GMT -5
Ahh, Holy Cross, like many colleges, will want to be sure that whatever they use will be environmentally friendly. Agree bottles are likely out for the reason you stated but I can see them trying to be creative. I can't recall, since it's been so long since I was at Fitton (more than a year!!!) whether they had receptacles for recycling. Plastic cups are expensive and definitely dont cross off the "environmentally friendly" box. Best bet would 16oz cans or aluminum pints (import/domestic) and 12oz craft/seltzer. "To-go" style wine single packages would be an option if school wanted to go that route as opposed to pouring into plastic wine cups.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 6, 2021 6:10:20 GMT -5
Regarding other schools where people leave the stadium to tailgate.
Guess you have not been to a football game at either Amherst or Wesleyan? At both schools, I have seen that tailgating occurs before, during and after the game, with daylight or rain seemingly being the factors for the party to conclude. At Amherst, the tailgate scene is actually in Pratt Field, just beyond the end of the track. At Wesleyan, the tailgating surrounds Andrus Field during the entire game, and hours after.
However, this is an apples to oranges comparison to HC, as both schools are D3, and have their long standing game day traditions, some dating back to the early 20th Century.
Expect the game day policy experience at Fitton to continue to evolve to mirror other D1 venues. As my daughter often says to her brother, regarding changes that he may not agree, .....”Get use to it Buddy”.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 6:14:39 GMT -5
Plenty of people leave Army games at halftime at West Point to tailgate for the remainder of the game and then afterwards.
But of course Im sure theres no re entry allowed.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 6, 2021 6:23:46 GMT -5
Plenty of people leave Army games at halftime at West Point to tailgate for the remainder of the game and then afterwards. But of course Im sure theres no re entry allowed. And security throughout the academy is tighter than the cork in a expensive bottle of champagne. You just don’t mess around with the MP’s giving orders. They have WMD’s. When they tell you to pack up and go....You pack up and go....
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 6, 2021 6:29:38 GMT -5
If you have watched this program the last few years and don’t feel it’s a product worth watching then I don’t know what to tell you. Serious question: do you really think the plodding Degenhart-led offense of the last couple years would actually be attractive to casual fans? Chesney has done a great job with the defense and special teams, but, as great as these two have been, casual fans aren’t showing up to see Dobbs blow up a draw or Ng kick a field goal. Yes, winning is winning, but casual fans aren’t showing up to watch HC win ugly games in the Patriot League. Open up the offense!!! Interesting question... a more dynamic QB should help... also a home run hitting RB... there is potential on this roster esp at PL level. I'm looking forward to the in game video replays... e.g who made the key block on a big play any thoughts if/how in game video impacts coaching?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 6:33:25 GMT -5
From the press release:
"Beer and wine sales in-venue have become an increasing best practice at collegiate sporting events across all NCAA conferences and divisions, with many institutions reporting a decrease in alcohol-related incidents and a significant reduction in game day binge drinking. The NCAA has expanded alcohol sales at championship tournaments with positive results, first allowing beer sales at the 2016 College World Series."
I've always thought that a lower legal drinking age would reduce binge drinking incidents on college campuses as well -- but that's a separate issue.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 6:38:55 GMT -5
If you have watched this program the last few years and don’t feel it’s a product worth watching then I don’t know what to tell you. Serious question: do you really think the plodding Degenhart-led offense of the last couple years would actually be attractive to casual fans? Chesney has done a great job with the defense and special teams, but, as great as these two have been, casual fans aren’t showing up to see Dobbs blow up a draw or Ng kick a field goal. Yes, winning is winning, but casual fans aren’t showing up to watch HC win ugly games in the Patriot League. Open up the offense!!! In Roper we trust. Let's see if Sluka continues to develop his downfield passing game, aided by the return of Asanti and Ayeni. If Sluka continues to develop into the Lamar Jackson of the Patriot League, our offense will not only be deadly but a lot of fun to watch. If he learns to read progressions, he'll be scary good. Right now, he still locks onto one guy, and if it's not there he tucks it. My guess is that our North-South running game will be used to set up Sluka's playmaking ability (either through air or on foot). I expect ground-and-pound with some occasional bolts of lightning thrown in.
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 6, 2021 6:48:00 GMT -5
From the press release: "Beer and wine sales in-venue have become an increasing best practice at collegiate sporting events across all NCAA conferences and divisions, with many institutions reporting a decrease in alcohol-related incidents and a significant reduction in game day binge drinking. The NCAA has expanded alcohol sales at championship tournaments with positive results, first allowing beer sales at the 2016 College World Series." I've always thought that a lower legal drinking age would reduce binge drinking incidents on college campuses as well -- but that's a separate issue. I was back on campus in the early '70's when there was a bar in every dorm... In the fall, the office conversation over Monday morning coffee [learned to drink alcohol & coffee in the Navy] was about the reported destruction in the dorms over the weekend.
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Post by Tom on Jun 6, 2021 9:26:56 GMT -5
Regarding other schools where people leave the stadium to tailgate. Guess you have not been to a football game at either Amherst or Wesleyan? At both schools, I have seen that tailgating occurs before, during and after the game, with daylight or rain seemingly being the factors for the party to conclude. At Amherst, the tailgate scene is actually in Pratt Field, just beyond the end of the track. At Wesleyan, the tailgating surrounds Andrus Field during the entire game, and hours after. However, this is an apples to oranges comparison to HC, as both schools are D3, and have their long standing game, day traditions, some dating back to the early 20th Century. Expect the game day policy experience at Fitton to continue to evolve to mirror other D1 venues. As my daughter often says to her brother, regarding changes that he may not agree, .....”Get use to it Buddy”. Right now this sounds like a guess. I haven't seen a formal policy announcement. It sounds like a logical guess as the school tries to go more big time That being said, if this comes to be, I know that some of the people I tailgate with will not see the second half of a game this year. Selling alcohol at Hart or Fitton won't really affect me and I don't have a strong opinion about it. Adding a no return policy from the baseball field (there is already one at Hart), I think is a mistake that will ultimately result in fewer fannies in the seats
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