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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 6, 2021 9:31:52 GMT -5
Not a guess on my part. I was in a meeting, last year before the pandemic, where this specific topic was discuss with ADMB. Unless there has been a reconsideration, don’t expect re-entry to be allowed at Fitton this year.
There are circumstances, where the no re-entry policy will need to be flexible. I’m thinking especially at Fitton that could be weather related and the need to go to the car to get gear.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 9:59:43 GMT -5
Regarding other schools where people leave the stadium to tailgate. Guess you have not been to a football game at either Amherst or Wesleyan? At both schools, I have seen that tailgating occurs before, during and after the game, with daylight or rain seemingly being the factors for the party to conclude. At Amherst, the tailgate scene is actually in Pratt Field, just beyond the end of the track. At Wesleyan, the tailgating surrounds Andrus Field during the entire game, and hours after. However, this is an apples to oranges comparison to HC, as both schools are D3, and have their long standing game, day traditions, some dating back to the early 20th Century. Expect the game day policy experience at Fitton to continue to evolve to mirror other D1 venues. As my daughter often says to her brother, regarding changes that he may not agree, .....”Get use to it Buddy”. Right now this sounds like a guess. I haven't seen a formal policy announcement. It sounds like a logical guess as the school tries to go more big time That being said, if this comes to be, I know that some of the people I tailgate with will not see the second half of a game this year. Selling alcohol at Hart or Fitton won't really affect me and I don't have a strong opinion about it. Adding a no return policy from the baseball field (there is already one at Hart), I think is a mistake that will ultimately result in fewer fannies in the seats Again, please name another Div I school in the country where folks are free to come and go from the stadium at their leisure.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 6, 2021 10:04:36 GMT -5
Right now this sounds like a guess. I haven't seen a formal policy announcement. It sounds like a logical guess as the school tries to go more big time That being said, if this comes to be, I know that some of the people I tailgate with will not see the second half of a game this year. Selling alcohol at Hart or Fitton won't really affect me and I don't have a strong opinion about it. Adding a no return policy from the baseball field (there is already one at Hart), I think is a mistake that will ultimately result in fewer fannies in the seats Again, please name another Div I school in the country where folks are free to come and go from the stadium at their leisure. Can you name another D1 school where the local police force drives around the tailgating lots before the game rounding up fans like cattle to go into the game, while mocking the team over their loud speakers? “You don’t want to miss a minute of the action!” (Note: not an anti-police post, they’re just doing the silly job they’ve been assigned)
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 10:07:08 GMT -5
BC for one.
If, after three hours in a parking lot you and your group can’t move the party inside and watch the game you bought tickets to, I’m not really sure what to say.
The culture/expectation at every other venue I have been in is that you come early, enjoy the tailgate, and get to your seat for the game. In your opinion, is three hours of facilitated socialization not enough? Would four hours be better, or should there be no time limit at all?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 6, 2021 10:21:49 GMT -5
BC for one. If, after three hours in a parking lot you and your group can’t move the party inside and watch the game you bought tickets to, I’m not really sure what to say. The culture/expectation at every other venue I have been in is that you come early, enjoy the tailgate, and get to your seat for the game. In your opinion, is three hours of facilitated socialization not enough? Would four hours be better, or should there be no time limit at all? In my opinion, it’s up to the team to put a product on the field that people in the fields/lots want to go see and the school to make it as an enjoyable experience as possible to be in the stadium. New video board and 3 beers are a start on the latter.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 10:24:14 GMT -5
Ok what’s your bar for the on field product - would three straight PL championships do it? Or are there other analytics you use to measure?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 6, 2021 10:32:45 GMT -5
The Patriot League in any sport isn't exactly a needle-mover among casual fans. That's why game day experience is very important at HC.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 6, 2021 10:39:49 GMT -5
Ok what’s your bar for the on field product - would three straight PL championships do it? Or are there other analytics you use to measure? FWIW (and I know the question was not addressed to me) PL championships are essentially meaningless in the context of a quality FCS team. The PL is awful. Sweeping our OOC (minus any FBS exhibitions) and then or three wins in the playoffs is our goal). Of course that means a PL championship. Could happen this season.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 6, 2021 10:53:54 GMT -5
Ok what’s your bar for the on field product - would three straight PL championships do it? Or are there other analytics you use to measure? Not sure if it qualifies as analytics, but not feeling like every first down is a trip to the dentist would be one hurdle to clear. When Dom Randolph was the quarterback and the offense was dynamic and fun to watch (+ you could basically bring whatever food + drink you wanted into Fitton), I was off the lot before kickoff to not miss a down. When the offense spends 30+ seconds at the line of scrimmage checking between run into left guard’s back or run into right guard’s back (and the RSG Infantry is basically strip searching anyone who enters the stadium), I’m not exactly rushing to leave a comfortable seat + cooler outside the stadium.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 10:55:27 GMT -5
Just curious as to when folks will change from their current approach of feeling it’s unfair to be expected to actually go in and remain at the game and will say “Ok, three hours of drinking with my friends is enough, I’m going to the game.” If wins/championships has nothing to do with it, what is it? Is it like porn, you can’t define it you will just know it when you see it? And if you hellbent on remaining in the lots, how will you actually know that the style/level of football has risen to meet your bar?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 12:36:54 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised that HC will be hiring a contractor to serve alcoholic beverages. Wouldn't the food service professionals employed by the colleges enjoy "stretching" and expanding their skills to add to the institutional food service routine? I'd love to see the new alcohol offerings be paired with upgraded food offerings by challenging the creativity of HC food service leadership.
Students dining at Kimball on Saturday night could get a treat by being offered any leftovers that a contractor might have to throw out.
When complaints rolled in about the snack bar at the Hart Center it turned out it had been contracted out to a local Papa Gino's franchisee as I recall. The college lost the opportunity to use the professional pride of HC food service leadership and subtle peer pressure among departments to ensure a quality food product and service was offered.
HC used in-house personnel to conduct the search for a new men's hockey head coach. They not only saved the fee of a search firm but there are people now working at Holy Cross who have a personal stake in this hiring. You can't buy that no matter how much you pay a contractor.
There must be a good amount of pride in Holy Cross and in their own professional performance among HC employees. Why not harness that to improve quality and have the profit margin from stadium/arena food and beverage service go fully to HC instead of splitting it with a contractor?
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Post by crossbball13 on Jun 6, 2021 12:37:21 GMT -5
Ok what’s your bar for the on field product - would three straight PL championships do it? Or are there other analytics you use to measure? Not sure if it qualifies as analytics, but not feeling like every first down is a trip to the dentist would be one hurdle to clear. When Dom Randolph was the quarterback and the offense was dynamic and fun to watch (+ you could basically bring whatever food + drink you wanted into Fitton), I was off the lot before kickoff to not miss a down. When the offense spends 30+ seconds at the line of scrimmage checking between run into left guard’s back or run into right guard’s back (and the RSG Infantry is basically strip searching anyone who enters the stadium), I’m not exactly rushing to leave a comfortable seat + cooler outside the stadium. Willard got fans in the seats with abhorrent offense, no? Let’s not confuse TG/Pujals with BC/Degenhardt. The former hitched his wagon to a guy…the latter did anything but.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 12:41:17 GMT -5
Not sure if it qualifies as analytics, but not feeling like every first down is a trip to the dentist would be one hurdle to clear. When Dom Randolph was the quarterback and the offense was dynamic and fun to watch (+ you could basically bring whatever food + drink you wanted into Fitton), I was off the lot before kickoff to not miss a down. When the offense spends 30+ seconds at the line of scrimmage checking between run into left guard’s back or run into right guard’s back (and the RSG Infantry is basically strip searching anyone who enters the stadium), I’m not exactly rushing to leave a comfortable seat + cooler outside the stadium. Willard got fans in the seats with abhorrent offense, no? Let’s not confuse TG/Pujals with BC/Degenhardt. The former hitched his wagon to a guy…the latter did anything but. Well, it was actually fun to watch BC get pushed around under the boards or see Kevin Hamilton's wing span deflect another opponent's pass to create a turnover.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 6, 2021 12:48:07 GMT -5
Ok what’s your bar for the on field product - would three straight PL championships do it? Or are there other analytics you use to measure? FWIW (and I know the question was not addressed to me) PL championships are essentially meaningless in the context of a quality FCS team. Tell that to the players on team. Only 1 team gets to win a league title. I don't care if its the MASCAC, NESCAC, ACC, SEC, or Patriot League winning the league title is very important.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 6, 2021 15:18:26 GMT -5
Not sure if it qualifies as analytics, but not feeling like every first down is a trip to the dentist would be one hurdle to clear. When Dom Randolph was the quarterback and the offense was dynamic and fun to watch (+ you could basically bring whatever food + drink you wanted into Fitton), I was off the lot before kickoff to not miss a down. When the offense spends 30+ seconds at the line of scrimmage checking between run into left guard’s back or run into right guard’s back (and the RSG Infantry is basically strip searching anyone who enters the stadium), I’m not exactly rushing to leave a comfortable seat + cooler outside the stadium. Willard got fans in the seats with abhorrent offense, no? Let’s not confuse TG/Pujals with BC/Degenhardt. The former hitched his wagon to a guy…the latter did anything but. Willard put fans in the seats with guys like Keith Simmons, Kevin Hamilton, and Torey Thomas making plays. (And a Top-10 Mid-Major program - not the last seed in the Mid/Low-Major football tournament). The last few years of HC football’s offense would have been akin to Willard playing 5 Kevin Hyland’s on offense.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 15:25:49 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised that HC will be hiring a contractor to serve alcoholic beverages. Wouldn't the food service professionals employed by the colleges enjoy "stretching" and expanding their skills to add to the institutional food service routine? I'd love to see the new alcohol offerings be paired with upgraded food offerings by challenging the creativity of HC food service leadership. Students dining at Kimball on Saturday night could get a treat by being offered any leftovers that a contractor might have to throw out. When complaints rolled in about the snack bar at the Hart Center it turned out it had been contracted out to a local Papa Gino's franchisee as I recall. The college lost the opportunity to use the professional pride of HC food service leadership and subtle peer pressure among departments to ensure a quality food product and service was offered. HC used in-house personnel to conduct the search for a new men's hockey head coach. They not only saved the fee of a search firm but there are people now working at Holy Cross who have a personal stake in this hiring. You can't buy that no matter how much you pay a contractor. There must be a good amount of pride in Holy Cross and in their own professional performance among HC employees. Why not harness that to improve quality and have the profit margin from stadium/arena food and beverage service go fully to HC instead of splitting it with a contractor? Limits the liability of the college. The college's insurance policy may also have riders that would come into play.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 6, 2021 15:27:52 GMT -5
Willard put fans in the seats with guys like Keith Simmons, Kevin Hamilton, and Torey Thomas making plays. (And a Top-10 Mid-Major program - not the last seed in the Mid/Low-Major football tournament). The last few years of HC football’s offense would have been akin to Willard playing 5 Kevin Hyland’s on offense. Here we go. Never pleased with winning titles. Asante is one of the best wide receivers in this region and we saw it when he played the full season. Add Bryce Barron and Peter Oliver. On Mid to low major tournament. Sorry we couldn't make the FBS final four. Don't use the 3 game season which they won ever game to say they were the last seed. How was that HC's fault?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2021 15:30:32 GMT -5
Willard got fans in the seats with abhorrent offense, no? Let’s not confuse TG/Pujals with BC/Degenhardt. The former hitched his wagon to a guy…the latter did anything but. Willard put fans in the seats with guys like Keith Simmons, Kevin Hamilton, and Torey Thomas making plays. (And a Top-10 Mid-Major program - not the last seed in the Mid/Low-Major football tournament). The last few years of HC football’s offense would have been akin to Willard playing 5 Kevin Hyland’s on offense. Yeah, especially that Domenic Cozier, what a plodder he was!!! Up the middle for 3 yards, 4 if we were lucky.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 15:46:07 GMT -5
Whether we're the #1 team in FCS or just the best Patriot League team, running ground and pound or every play out of the shotgun 5-wide, the following is still true:
Not everyone who comes to the Holy Cross campus for a social event is interested in watching 4 quarters of a football game. Not everyone is a former player or Crossports die-hard. No different than urban professionals who go to a Yankee to hang out at the bar for 2 innings, take a couple selfies in the stadium, wait on line for overpriced food while missing the next 2 and a half innings, and then leave in the 7th.
Holy Cross is a college that should be encouraging alum to come back to campus as much as possible. Those who want to go tailgate at halftime should be able to.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 16:11:22 GMT -5
Right now this sounds like a guess. I haven't seen a formal policy announcement. It sounds like a logical guess as the school tries to go more big time That being said, if this comes to be, I know that some of the people I tailgate with will not see the second half of a game this year. Selling alcohol at Hart or Fitton won't really affect me and I don't have a strong opinion about it. Adding a no return policy from the baseball field (there is already one at Hart), I think is a mistake that will ultimately result in fewer fannies in the seats Again, please name another Div I school in the country where folks are free to come and go from the stadium at their leisure. Guarantee you'd have no problem re-entering any Patriot League football venue or just about any FCS stadium in the Northeast. I left the Monmouth game at halftime and went to the car to crack open a bottle of Jameson with the boys. No issue waltzing back in. And that was an event run by NCAA henchmen.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 6, 2021 16:28:29 GMT -5
FWIW (and I know the question was not addressed to me) PL championships are essentially meaningless in the context of a quality FCS team. The PL is awful. Sweeping our OOC (minus any FBS exhibitions) and then or three wins in the playoffs is our goal). Of course that means a PL championship. Could happen this season. Tell that to the players on team. Only 1 team gets to win a league title. I don't care if its the MASCAC, NESCAC, ACC, SEC, or Patriot League winning the league title is very important. There is no suggestion on my part that the kids on the team do not want to win the Patriot Championship.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 6, 2021 16:57:44 GMT -5
Willard put fans in the seats with guys like Keith Simmons, Kevin Hamilton, and Torey Thomas making plays. (And a Top-10 Mid-Major program - not the last seed in the Mid/Low-Major football tournament). The last few years of HC football’s offense would have been akin to Willard playing 5 Kevin Hyland’s on offense. Yeah, especially that Domenic Cozier, what a plodder he was!!! Up the middle for 3 yards, 4 if we were lucky. [/quote]Here we go. Never pleased with winning titles. Asante is one of the best wide receivers in this region and we saw it when he played the full season. Add Bryce Barron and Peter Oliver. On Mid to low major tournament. Sorry we couldn't make the FBS final four. Don't use the 3 game season which they won ever game to say they were the last seed. How was that HC's fault? [/quote] Asante and Cozier - two great examples of what I’m referring to. 2019 stats: Cozier: 16.25 touches 106.5 rushing + receiving yards per game Asante: 3.7 receptions and 53.6 receiving yards per game Another one: Tenio Ayeni: 3.6 receptions and 47.3 yards per game If you think that’s an offense that comes anywhere near getting the most out of those guys, I have a bridge to sell ya.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 6, 2021 17:23:24 GMT -5
Please remember that Justin Roper was not the OC in 2019. Patrick Murphy became the OC in 2018, after replacing Liam Cohen, who left for the NFL.
Based on Justin Roper’s college career experience, at Oregon and Montana, his coaching career stops, and a full summer to prepare the team, I would expect to see a different offense strategy in 2021.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 6, 2021 17:25:03 GMT -5
We will have tremendous receivers in the Fall....let's hold off on disparaging the O until we see it....I hear ya', the spread O is more fun to watch than "3 yards and a cloud of dust" but I doubt we are losing (or not adding) many fans ovah the offense we run. It's ultimately about winning....if we can continue the upward trajectory into beating the occasional FBS school, win playoff games etc... we'll get noticed and gain (or regain) fans.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 6, 2021 17:27:37 GMT -5
]Again, please name another Div I school in the country where folks are free to come and go from the stadium at their leisure. [/quote]
Navy allows fans to exit at halftime and return at the start of the third quarter. But other than that timeframe you can’t come and go as you please.
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