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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2021 9:28:44 GMT -5
How do you know that?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2021 9:49:55 GMT -5
HC can open it's checkbook and rent lights whenever it wants for a night game at Fitton or rent a whole stadium with lights at Polar or they can afford to install permanent lights at Fitton whenever they decide the cost vs benefit warrants it. HC has already placed a video board higher in priority than permanent lights and got it done. Perhaps paying a higher salary to extend Coach Chesney is a higher priority than permanent lights in the next budget cycle. That would make sense. We get more benefit from Coach Chesney than light poles permanently placed in the ground.
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Post by football44 on Jun 14, 2021 9:52:38 GMT -5
Anyone with ANY contact at HC knows that the present administration has been Very Anti-Football and Anti sports in general. The administration for years has never accepted the fact that a STRONG football and Any sport for that matter helps in advancing the name recognition of the school. The folks in Fenwick have been focused on trying to compete with the Harvard's and the Princeton's for years while Harvard and Princeton continue to allow 25-30% more athletes into their schools. Not to mention a large percentage of these kids don't pay because of the Ivy League rules that allow acceptance of these kids based on their parents financial position. With the changes in the Presidency and Admissions the hope is that the attitude up in Fenwick will change for the better. Time will tell.
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Post by football44 on Jun 14, 2021 9:58:00 GMT -5
HC can open it's checkbook and rent lights whenever it wants for a night game at Fitton or rent a whole stadium with lights at Polar or they can afford to install permanent lights at Fitton whenever they decide the cost vs benefit warrants it. HC has already placed a video board higher in priority than permanent lights and got it done. Perhaps paying a higher salary to extend Coach Chesney is a higher priority than permanent lights in the next budget cycle. That would make sense. We get more benefit from Coach Chesney than light poles permanently placed in the ground. Totally agree with your assessment of Coach Chesney over lights. I heard the number for the video board was upwards of 500k. You think Coach Chesney and his staff could have used some of that money? Priorities need to be reviewed up on the hill sooner rather than later in my humble opinion.
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Post by ignatius on Jun 14, 2021 10:13:26 GMT -5
Why can every Division 2 and 3 school in Central Massachusetts afford lights yet the mighty Holy Cross can't? HC's checkbook is bigger than all of them combined. I am for lights. It's ridiculous they are not at Fitton. Should have been done when the Worcester Tornadoes put the lights on the baseball field. . It’s not ridiculous, but yeah, it must seem odd to you that your wishlist isn’t being satisfied. Having played in every stadia in the PL, I would take a 1:00 pm kickoff at Fitton over any of our PL opponents’ venues, whether under the lights or otherwise. What’s your experience between the hash marks? This is as much about what the student athletes care about as anything. They care about facilities, staff, schedule, FBS games, and events (ie, Yankees Stadium, Polar Park, etc). We check those boxes. I think you’re out of touch on this one. We’re updating the Fitton locker rooms this summer from what I understand. Perhaps someday we’ll have lights, but I just don’t see how that is a priority or even necessary. Please enjoy what we have right now. Alternatively, those Division II and III high schools in Central MA would be happy to have your support, I’m sure.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 14, 2021 10:59:35 GMT -5
An ADA accessible stadium for fans, with an new press box with elevator access is needed more than lights. The cost will be in the millions. Lights will come later with a remodeled and redesigned Fitton.
Not sure why there is this incessant cry for lights, when there are other areas that need to be remedied.
For those still screaming for lights.....Pony up! That’s how things get done.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 14, 2021 11:09:23 GMT -5
. It’s not ridiculous, but yeah, it must seem odd to you that your wishlist isn’t being satisfied. Having played in every stadia in the PL, I would take a 1:00 pm kickoff at Fitton over any of our PL opponents’ venues, whether under the lights or otherwise. What’s your experience between the hash marks? This is as much about what the student athletes care about as anything. They care about facilities, staff, schedule, FBS games, and events (ie, Yankees Stadium, Polar Park, etc). We check those boxes. I think you’re out of touch on this one. We’re updating the Fitton locker rooms this summer from what I understand. Perhaps someday we’ll have lights, but I just don’t see how that is a priority or even necessary. Please enjoy what we have right now. Alternatively, those Division II and III high schools in Central MA would be happy to have your support, I’m sure. High school football in Mass. did not get a boost in attendance when the schools in general got lights. Yes, they get more than they would on Saturday afternoon, but more a case of attendance not decreasing by as large a percentage. By the way, considering the frustrations the Krafts have had building a 20K soccer stadium in Boston, why not a partnership? Plenty of soccer-oriented fans in The Woo, perfect stadium if you gave it a serious makeover. Pro soccer likes grass by the way.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 14, 2021 11:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2021 12:12:03 GMT -5
HC coaching contracts generally start on July 1, and end on June 30 the following year. If the assistant coaches were currently under contract for the 2021-22 season, and Chesney decided to fire a coach on July 4, 2021, the coach is paid for the entire season. For those who remember the BG saga, HC let his contract expire and did not renew. Head coaches contracts are often multi-year, e.g., BC's contract which will apparently expire, unless renewed, on June 30, 2022. TG was paid for the remaining period on his contract. I can't speak to staff who were furloughed during COVID. However, a furloughed coach shouldn't be able to recruit or perform coaching duties. Trainers may well have been furloughed during COVID, when there were no athletes on campus. Being on furlough, they should have qualified for the rather generous COVID-related unemployment benefits. the average weekly benefit in MA in the summer of 2020 was $1,045. ($600 of that amount was a special Federal benefit.) Pakachoag Phreek you seem to be a big supporter of ADMB. Responding to you regarding coaches getting Covid related pay. How do you feel about assistant coaches and for that matter our head coach being grossly under paid compared to the other coaches in the PL? How is it that the HC BB coach is paid more than our winning football coach? How is it that Tom Gilmore is making more money than Coach Chesney? As for contracts expiring on a set date how many coaches get their contracts torn up and renewed way before its term date? Many do. Coach Chesney and his staff and team are doing more for the exposure of Holy Cross than ANY other scholarship team on that campus. They need to be treated as such or they'll be out the door and we'll be talking about which Division 3 coach ADMB will interview for the job. Of the PL football schools, Holy Cross spends the second highest amount on athletics, less than Lehigh, and more than Bucknell, Colgate, Lafayette. More than Georgetown if most of the $13.5 million that Georgetown spends on men's hoops is subtracted from the GU total. Fordham spends a bit more, and most of the differential is because Fordham pays a premium for being located in the Bronx. (Fordham spends $2M more than HC in total; but $4 million more than HC for M/W basketball.) BostU pays a similar premium for being in Boston. It's a cost-of-living factor. You can buy a lot of house in Worcester Co. for $350,000; you buy squat for that amount in most neighborhoods of Boston and most of the suburbs. That said, the AD five year strategic plan acknowledges that coaches aren't paid enough at HC. To wit, The strategic plan also states that HC needs to increase funding of recruiting. As I read them, and having heard ADMB voice them, his three funding priorities are (and not in ranked order): a.) increase the number of scollies in the Olympic sports b.) increase the salaries of coaches c.) new softball field, new lacrosse and soccer fields, improvements to, and possible expansion, of the rink. And, BTW, I don't know ADMB.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2021 12:18:36 GMT -5
Pakachoag Phreek you seem to be a big supporter of ADMB. Responding to you regarding coaches getting Covid related pay. How do you feel about assistant coaches and for that matter our head coach being grossly under paid compared to the other coaches in the PL? How is it that the HC BB coach is paid more than our winning football coach? How is it that Tom Gilmore is making more money than Coach Chesney? As for contracts expiring on a set date how many coaches get their contracts torn up and renewed way before its term date? Many do. Coach Chesney and his staff and team are doing more for the exposure of Holy Cross than ANY other scholarship team on that campus. They need to be treated as such or they'll be out the door and we'll be talking about which Division 3 coach ADMB will interview for the job. There are certain people with heads in the sand that have no clue of the current athletic situation on College Hill. ADs change, Presidents change yet HC's support for athletics, especially football, is nothing more than half-way if that. Those with offices in the ancient brick buildings have no idea what they have in the current football coach. Is my recollection that you are not an alumnus of the college correct?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2021 13:32:19 GMT -5
HC can open it's checkbook and rent lights whenever it wants for a night game at Fitton or rent a whole stadium with lights at Polar or they can afford to install permanent lights at Fitton whenever they decide the cost vs benefit warrants it. HC has already placed a video board higher in priority than permanent lights and got it done. Perhaps paying a higher salary to extend Coach Chesney is a higher priority than permanent lights in the next budget cycle. That would make sense. We get more benefit from Coach Chesney than light poles permanently placed in the ground. Totally agree with your assessment of Coach Chesney over lights. I heard the number for the video board was upwards of 500k. You think Coach Chesney and his staff could have used some of that money? Priorities need to be reviewed up on the hill sooner rather than later in my humble opinion. Attending a recent game at Fitton (not this Spring obviously) I remember seeing a close play and instinctively looking at the scoreboard to see the replay. Of course there was none, but putting things in perspective it is Coach Chesney's building of the program the right way that made me want to go to Fitton and no video board would do that on it's own, so let's hope a fair extension for the coach was budgeted before the scoreboard.
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Post by football44 on Jun 14, 2021 14:32:05 GMT -5
Pakachoag Phreek you seem to be a big supporter of ADMB. Responding to you regarding coaches getting Covid related pay. How do you feel about assistant coaches and for that matter our head coach being grossly under paid compared to the other coaches in the PL? How is it that the HC BB coach is paid more than our winning football coach? How is it that Tom Gilmore is making more money than Coach Chesney? As for contracts expiring on a set date how many coaches get their contracts torn up and renewed way before its term date? Many do. Coach Chesney and his staff and team are doing more for the exposure of Holy Cross than ANY other scholarship team on that campus. They need to be treated as such or they'll be out the door and we'll be talking about which Division 3 coach ADMB will interview for the job. Of the PL football schools, Holy Cross spends the second highest amount on athletics, less than Lehigh, and more than Bucknell, Colgate, Lafayette. More than Georgetown if most of the $13.5 million that Georgetown spends on men's hoops is subtracted from the GU total. Fordham spends a bit more, and most of the differential is because Fordham pays a premium for being located in the Bronx. (Fordham spends $2M more than HC in total; but $4 million more than HC for M/W basketball.) BostU pays a similar premium for being in Boston. It's a cost-of-living factor. You can buy a lot of house in Worcester Co. for $350,000; you buy squat for that amount in most neighborhoods of Boston and most of the suburbs. That said, the AD five year strategic plan acknowledges that coaches aren't paid enough at HC. To wit, The strategic plan also states that HC needs to increase funding of recruiting. As I read them, and having heard ADMB voice them, his three funding priorities are (and not in ranked order): a.) increase the number of scollies in the Olympic sports b.) increase the salaries of coaches c.) new softball field, new lacrosse and soccer fields, improvements to, and possible expansion, of the rink. And, BTW, I don't know ADMB. Let me help ADMB with his priorities. First off let's support the sport that generates the most money. That would be football ( Syracuse, Boston College and the money received from the NCAA for the playoff game) NOT Olympic sports. What is he trying to upgrade the swim team? Come on. Move your B to the A position forget Schollies for Olympic sports. None of them generate a dime for HC. Get rid of C except for the Hockey Rink if ADMB finally decides to make the right move and put the Men's Hockey team into Hockey East. I am a football alum and I mentioned that you support ADMB not that you know him. I think everyone on Crosssports wants nothing but the best for ALL of our teams. In my case especially football.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 14, 2021 14:45:29 GMT -5
Honolulu? Any alum packages available? Forget the game. Enjoy the big surf on Waimea Bay on the North side of Oahu. An HC Luau on the beach. - Purple & Pineapple. Have visited the Rainbow State a few time. Aloha! You should have seen how many Hawaii fans came to UMass to see them play. They ran a trip to NYC and bussed up for a game!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2021 15:11:47 GMT -5
ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/Finances/2020RES_D1-RevExp_Report.pdfThis is the NCAA's most recent summary of revenue and expenses for Division I schools. Slide 64 (p. 64 in the pdf) summarizes generated revenue and expenses for FCS schools. HC is in quartile 1, i.e., in top 30 or so schools out of 127. The median loss for athletics for schools in 2019 in quartile 1 was $26.7 million.
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Post by purple1 on Jun 14, 2021 15:27:58 GMT -5
A. Immediate new contract for Chesney and upgrade funding of assistant coaches. Football is a winning program and gets publicity nationwide. Also offers opportunity to get major dollars for pay games. B. Improve softball field. C. Create admission slots for Olympic sports with need based aid. D. Improve funding for other coaching positions, as needed. E. Create programs for endowments related to athletic activities.
Lighting is a request that does not need immediate attention. Proper donor may wish to fund such a project...... Holy Cross is a niche school and cannot be everything for everyone in athletics based on funding and school enrollment. It has a rich athletic history which can be maintained on the proper levels.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2021 15:40:35 GMT -5
Fascinating info. Phreek- how did you determine that HC was in Quartile 1? Do you think our P& L is better or worse than the median for that FCS quartile?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2021 16:34:12 GMT -5
Fascinating info. Phreek- how did you determine that HC was in Quartile 1? Do you think our P& L is better or worse than the median for that FCS quartile? Median total expenses for FCS Quartile 1 was about $35 million. HC's expenses were $33 million. Median expense for FCS Quartile 2 was about $24 million. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/finances-intercollegiate-athleticsThat's 25 of about 350 schools in Div I. (Autonomy is the NCAA classification for BCS, because they are in a world unto themselves.)
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