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Post by dadominate on Oct 2, 2021 9:09:02 GMT -5
Nope. Just killing time between innings. I guess you still aren’t vaccinated. since we're apparently on the topic of personal inquiry into risk factors for covid transmission, what is your body mass index? what is your fasting blood glucose? do you smoke? since vaccination with the current crop of monovalent non-sterilizing vaccines has little (if any) impact on covid transmission as evidenced by population level data, comparative viral load analyses among vaccinated and unvaccinated people, extremely high number needed to vaccinate in the largest trials (80-150, depending upon the vaccine), and very low absolute risk reduction in the largest trials (between 1 and 2%, depending upon the vaccine), proof of negative sars-cov2 testing should be the requirement for entry if the concern is stopping the spread of covid. staggered seating arrangements, while unpopular, might also help.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 2, 2021 9:45:17 GMT -5
No dispute that some of these Covid restrictions are foolish, but that level of foolishness pales when compared to the decision of some not to be vaccinated. I follow the old axiom "Better to have it and not need not than to need it and not have it." My wife and I each got our Pfizer booster shot today. Quick, efficient, no muss no fuss. Of course, I can't get to the game in person, but that is another story.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 2, 2021 10:19:06 GMT -5
It appears that there may be some positive developments in the area of therapeutics for Covid-19.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 2, 2021 10:37:08 GMT -5
PCR tests are the gold standard. Antigen tests are less accurate, and can give a false negative about 20 percent of the time for someone who is symptomatic, and about 50 percent of the time for someone who is asymptomatic, but infected. The higher the viral load in an individual, the more the accuracy rate of an antigen test approaches that of a PCR test. Lucira produces an in-home test kit that is as accurate as a PCR test, costs $50, although it requires a prescription. However, it is not presently in-stock. checkit.lucirahealth.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwyN-DBhCDARIsAFOELTnCOnRjyZlEHfe8Nx6T5gWQB0JE8b1UOx3yRx4DoISU6tJRihocLzkaAiJxEALw_wcBTests cost money. See pricing for tests offered by Quest Diagnostics, a major testing company with labs in MA. www.questdiagnostics.com/home/Covid-19/Pricing/Multiply cost x number of games attended = more than a pretty penny.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 2, 2021 10:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2021 11:32:35 GMT -5
Great news but even better news is a virtually pain free vaccination with little chance of major side effects that is exceptionally effective so you don’t need to take the Merck pill in the first place.
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Post by matunuck on Oct 2, 2021 11:42:59 GMT -5
Highly recommend following Scott Gottleib and Ashish Jha from Brown for all things COVID.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 2, 2021 12:13:19 GMT -5
Great news but even better news is a virtually pain free vaccination with little chance of major side effects that is exceptionally effective so you don’t need to take the Merck pill in the first place. ...except people still get infected that got vaccinated.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 2, 2021 15:57:19 GMT -5
As suspected, the “proof of vaccination” screening was not exactly rigorous. Pretty sure I could have shown a Joe Shlabotnik baseball card and been fine.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2021 18:14:28 GMT -5
Very true BUT . . . . . . that's why you wear a mask, especially indoors because it makes catching Covid that much harder and when vaccinated, you are much less likely to get seriously ill or die and wearing a mask both helps protect you and, if you do catch it, less likely to give it to someone else.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 2, 2021 18:20:59 GMT -5
Highly recommend following Scott Gottleib and Ashish Jha from Brown for all things COVID. Scott is smart but very conflicted he sits on the Pfizer board and wants to be President he is becoming very political he was a great COS to FDA Commissioner and a decent FDA Commissioner he resigned because he was tired of reporting into the Secretary as he wanted that role for himself
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Post by hcpride on Oct 2, 2021 18:24:52 GMT -5
As suspected, the “proof of vaccination” screening was not exactly rigorous. Pretty sure I could have shown a Joe Shlabotnik baseball card and been fine. Well, the entire notion of vaccine cards (presented by folks who may or may not be covid-infected BTW and who may or may not be in need of a booster BTW) at outdoor football arenas is not exactly scientific so that is an "A+" in consistency.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 2, 2021 19:25:17 GMT -5
My business partner tried to get in and forgot his Covid card, ripped up his ticket and joined us at tailgate in disgust after he was refused inside, When will this school get it! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! Holy cross should just drop to DII enough is enough we suck. Guess the tailgate's still going on, dude.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 2, 2021 20:05:42 GMT -5
The Covid checking was a joke actually...no booths were manned on Freshmen Field at around 1pm...but there were bracelets there to be taken with no one to prove them etc...just sayin'.....
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 2, 2021 20:58:13 GMT -5
My business partner tried to get in and forgot his Covid card, ripped up his ticket and joined us at tailgate in disgust after he was refused inside, When will this school get it! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! Holy cross should just drop to DII enough is enough we suck. WPI football had the AD at the gate checking masks...would you rather have that?
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2021 21:22:54 GMT -5
My business partner tried to get in and forgot his Covid card, ripped up his ticket and joined us at tailgate in disgust after he was refused inside, When will this school get it! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! Holy cross should just drop to DII enough is enough we suck. I look at this differently I knew about the requirement. For the sake of argument I'll assume your business partner was also aware of it. I didn't hear of anyone who was caught unaware by the requirement. If your friend didn't know, then shame on HC for not properly advertising the policy. I'm not going to get into whether or not it's a good policy. Assuming your partner was aware of the policy, he didn't find the policy reason to stay away from HC. This sounds like it's all on the business partner. If he had remembered the vaccine card and forgotten the ticket, would he have been equally disgusted. It sounds like your business partner messed up and is blaming it on the school
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2021 22:16:33 GMT -5
As suspected, the “proof of vaccination” screening was not exactly rigorous. Pretty sure I could have shown a Joe Shlabotnik baseball card and been fine. Well, the entire notion of vaccine cards (presented by folks who may or may not be covid-infected BTW and who may or may not be in need of a booster BTW) at outdoor football arenas is not exactly scientific so that is an "A+" in consistency. As you well know, it’s not about the science. We are headed towards a version of a social credit system. Anyone whose head isn’t in the sand should be able to see that by now.
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Post by alum on Oct 3, 2021 6:22:02 GMT -5
Nope. Just killing time between innings. I guess you still aren’t vaccinated. since we're apparently on the topic of personal inquiry into risk factors for covid transmission, what is your body mass index? what is your fasting blood glucose? do you smoke? since vaccination with the current crop of monovalent non-sterilizing vaccines has little (if any) impact on covid transmission as evidenced by population level data, comparative viral load analyses among vaccinated and unvaccinated people, extremely high number needed to vaccinate in the largest trials (80-150, depending upon the vaccine), and very low absolute risk reduction in the largest trials (between 1 and 2%, depending upon the vaccine), proof of negative sars-cov2 testing should be the requirement for entry if the concern is stopping the spread of covid. staggered seating arrangements, while unpopular, might also help. 25.0; 105, and I don’t smoke. I do use more than my share of resources but my health problems don’t put others at immediate risk. The CDC says that, pre-delta, vaccination definitely reduced transmission and that for delta it likely reduces the length of time one could be contagious so a decision to refuse vaccination harms others. I’ll take a 2% risk reduction and will wear a mask in an outdoor location where I am seated close to others for a long period of time. I wear one in the grocery store, walking into restaurants, and when with others in my office. I am aware of no scientific, religious or philosophical/ethical basis for refusing to get vaccinated. At this point, there is no reason not to do it.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 3, 2021 6:51:44 GMT -5
1. I am afraid of needles 2. It can make me sterile (excellent reason for those 65 and older!) 3. The guys on Fox told me its a) harmful; b) ineffective; c) a conspiracy; d) infringes on my freedoms 4. I don't give a rat's patoote about protecting others 5. I'm invulnerable 6. I'll get around to it soon
Sorry, forgot the biggest reason: 1AAA - Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend unfortunate side effect.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2021 6:54:17 GMT -5
LMAO BTW - Regarding #3 - IMHO letting news "pundits" (talking heads) give one medical advice is almost as dumb as taking medical advice from politicians (of any party).
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Post by hcpride on Oct 3, 2021 7:08:09 GMT -5
1. I am afraid of needles 2. It can make me sterile (excellent reason for those 65 and older!) 3. The guys on Fox told me its a) harmful; b) ineffective; c) a conspiracy; d) infringes on my freedoms 4. I don't give a rat's patoote about protecting others 5. I'm invulnerable 6. I'll get around to it soon The reasons I hear are from younger people who don’t think covid poses a deadly threat to them, other folks who have natural immunity and believe that is sufficient, those in the black community who have a historical suspicion regarding government medical action, those who find media pleading not credible following Russia Collusion hoax (etc), and those who are just kinda lazy. I don’t hear much from the 50 million folks too young for the shots. I don’t think Fox News tells its followers not to get vaccinated (of course there may be exceptions) but I have certainly heard claims they do. I do recall Fox announcers voicing suspicions rather early on regarding the media narrative and the Origin of the virus.
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Post by dadominate on Oct 3, 2021 7:12:55 GMT -5
since we're apparently on the topic of personal inquiry into risk factors for covid transmission, what is your body mass index? what is your fasting blood glucose? do you smoke? since vaccination with the current crop of monovalent non-sterilizing vaccines has little (if any) impact on covid transmission as evidenced by population level data, comparative viral load analyses among vaccinated and unvaccinated people, extremely high number needed to vaccinate in the largest trials (80-150, depending upon the vaccine), and very low absolute risk reduction in the largest trials (between 1 and 2%, depending upon the vaccine), proof of negative sars-cov2 testing should be the requirement for entry if the concern is stopping the spread of covid. staggered seating arrangements, while unpopular, might also help. 25.0; 105, and I don’t smoke. I do use more than my share of resources but my health problems don’t put others at immediate risk. The CDC says that, pre-delta, vaccination definitely reduced transmission and that for delta it likely reduces the length of time one could be contagious so a decision to refuse vaccination harms others. I’ll take a 2% risk reduction and will wear a mask in an outdoor location where I am seated close to others for a long period of time. I wear one in the grocery store, walking into restaurants, and when with others in my office. I am aware of no scientific, religious or philosophical/ethical basis for refusing to get vaccinated. At this point, there is no reason not to do it. i have been deeply engaged on this subject professionally (hence general absence from the board and following sports in general), and can point you to some of these writings/presentations, but in brief, i am afraid that you are not completely informed on the risks of these vaccinations, risks of unnecessary medical treatments in general, and most critically, related mandates and harmful policy sequelae. for those who have not made up their mind and are only seeking confirmation of your stance, i suggest watching the presentations made at the FDA vaccine booster advisory committee a few weeks ago. these are brief (3 minutes each... so unlike most medical science, they get right to the point!). these provide perspectives you are not hearing about from the media, governmental agencies, and even most medical professionals. many of the speakers have had prolific and distinguished careers and are a number of my colleagues, including peter doshi who is an associate editor at the bmj (one of the top medical journals in the world). the content beginning at the 4:02:45 mark may be insightful and surprising to many given the relentless messaging from the media and governments who have invested so heavily and narrowly-focused on vaccines. there is NOT scientific consensus in an essentially "one size-fits-all" vaccination for everybody - especially with indefinite number of rapidly deployed booster shots after just 6 months - approach to the epidemic and the arguments articulated briefly explain why. there are countless articles revealing the inflated efficacy of the vaccines and related problems upon which much of this is based. i do agree with your practice of n95 or better masks, as these are indeed efficacious. cloth masks are nearly useless. a piece of advice in general after many years in public health... i would strongly suggest not blindly outsourcing one's health beliefs and practices to the cdc and fda. few realize that these organizations receive approximately half of their budgets for many key operations from the pharmaceutical and biotech industries they are regulating (in the instance of fda) and whose products receive public health guidance (in the instance of the cdc). even the nih is supported by the nih foundation, whose funding comes directly from industry. "regulatory capture" is a problem broadly (and includes the epa, sec, and others), but is arguably most deeply entrenched in health and medicine. it's a sad state of affairs and it directly affects health policies and messaging we receive. this will have to change to reverse the epidemic of chronic disease and financially-motivated public health policy, but has only gotten worse in recent years. i'm not sure how that improves at this point in time.
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Post by gks on Oct 3, 2021 9:21:32 GMT -5
since we're apparently on the topic of personal inquiry into risk factors for covid transmission, what is your body mass index? what is your fasting blood glucose? do you smoke? since vaccination with the current crop of monovalent non-sterilizing vaccines has little (if any) impact on covid transmission as evidenced by population level data, comparative viral load analyses among vaccinated and unvaccinated people, extremely high number needed to vaccinate in the largest trials (80-150, depending upon the vaccine), and very low absolute risk reduction in the largest trials (between 1 and 2%, depending upon the vaccine), proof of negative sars-cov2 testing should be the requirement for entry if the concern is stopping the spread of covid. staggered seating arrangements, while unpopular, might also help. 25.0; 105, and I don’t smoke. I do use more than my share of resources but my health problems don’t put others at immediate risk. The CDC says that, pre-delta, vaccination definitely reduced transmission and that for delta it likely reduces the length of time one could be contagious so a decision to refuse vaccination harms others. I’ll take a 2% risk reduction and will wear a mask in an outdoor location where I am seated close to others for a long period of time. I wear one in the grocery store, walking into restaurants, and when with others in my office. I am aware of no scientific, religious or philosophical/ethical basis for refusing to get vaccinated. At this point, there is no reason not to do it. These vaccine mandates at outdoor facilities are only for optics. They do nothing.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 3, 2021 10:36:48 GMT -5
25.0; 105, and I don’t smoke. I do use more than my share of resources but my health problems don’t put others at immediate risk. The CDC says that, pre-delta, vaccination definitely reduced transmission and that for delta it likely reduces the length of time one could be contagious so a decision to refuse vaccination harms others. I’ll take a 2% risk reduction and will wear a mask in an outdoor location where I am seated close to others for a long period of time. I wear one in the grocery store, walking into restaurants, and when with others in my office. I am aware of no scientific, religious or philosophical/ethical basis for refusing to get vaccinated. At this point, there is no reason not to do it. These vaccine mandates at outdoor facilities are only for optics. They do nothing. I am vaccinated. When I learn that an event has a vaccine mandate, it makes me much more comfortable to attend! I think that many people feel the same way, and as a result, overall attendance and participation in a wide variety of events is improved. This helps our economy and all of our life experience.
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Post by gks on Oct 3, 2021 12:00:48 GMT -5
These vaccine mandates at outdoor facilities are only for optics. They do nothing. I am vaccinated. When I learn that an event has a vaccine mandate, it makes me much more comfortable to attend! I think that many people feel the same way, and as a result, overall attendance and participation in a wide variety of events is improved. This helps our economy and all of our life experience. There has been zero evidence since the link below of outbreaks due to outdoor sporting events other than Italy very early on. If you're going to implement a vaccine mandate then you better check every single person. Otherwise it's nothing but optics. That's all. www.wsj.com/articles/the-soccer-match-that-kicked-off-italys-coronavirus-disaster-11585752012
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