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Post by hc2020 on Oct 20, 2021 14:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 20, 2021 14:36:37 GMT -5
If this was to happen, the CAA would likely be looking to fill that spot. Would HC consider it? Mmm…
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Post by princetoncrusader on Oct 20, 2021 14:54:26 GMT -5
Football is already the fat man in the lifeboat that is the college's athletic budget. Adding 3 more scholarships (plus another 3 for women's sports) is not going to happen even in the best of times, yet alone when COVID costs are still with us. The travel expenses in that league would also be onerous. Probably a better fit for Monmouth.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 20, 2021 14:58:18 GMT -5
Moving or not, and I appreciate the costs of scholarships, but I do hope that HC (and the PL) increases scholarship money. I think the results on the field would more than compensate them for whatever the final expense may be.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 20, 2021 15:00:24 GMT -5
Football is already the fat man in the lifeboat that is the college's athletic budget. Adding 3 more scholarships (plus another 3 for women's sports) is not going to happen even in the best of times, yet alone when COVID costs are still with us. The travel expenses in that league would also be onerous. Probably a better fit for Monmouth. The CAA allows 63, doesn't require it. Rhode Island was below that number for years. Were Holy Cross to leave the PL it would put the league under five full members and render the football league defunct. Maybe it's the time for someone to push 63 grants for the six schools. The full members won't leave, and no one is calling Georgetown. Fordham, on the other hand...
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Post by hcpride on Oct 20, 2021 15:28:46 GMT -5
Would be a great and smart move up for HC football. Perhaps we would regain our Pre-PL academic reputation, ditch the self-defeating and copycat AI, and provide a quality league game each week. URI, UNH, Nova (finally), SBU, Richmond, etc etc. If they want us, of course.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 20, 2021 15:59:11 GMT -5
Just don't think it will happen. HC was a charter member of the PL and leaving for football would likely sink a league that they helped create and pretty sure TPTB like the association with like-minded academic institutions and while the current Administration may not be as dogmatic that we "aren't in the entertainment business," as marginal an upgrade in conference this might be (vis-a-vis FBS), I think it is still a bridge too far.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 20, 2021 16:09:26 GMT -5
Truly, don't understand the attraction of the CAA. Outside their fan base few have heard of this league. So, what's the advantage of going from one largely anonymous league (but one with a fine academic rep) to another largely anonymous league consisting primarily of state universities? Also, no doubt HC would be a doormat.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 20, 2021 16:13:22 GMT -5
Upgrade the conference we're in and try to add one more team.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 20, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
Truly, don't understand the attraction of the CAA. Outside their fan base few have heard of this league. So, what's the advantage of going from one largely anonymous league (but one with a fine academic rep) to another largely anonymous league consisting primarily of state universities? Also, no doubt HC would be a doormat. CAA football is MUCH better known and respected than PL football. It is true that CAA football has generally larger institutions than PL. It is also true that the academic reputations at such schools as William and Mary, Richmond, and Villanova (CAA members) compare quite favorably to many PL football members. And check out SBU stats some day. I never did buy the notion that schools like MIT, Stanford, University of Chicago, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Cal Poly, etc have academic reputations based on their sports league. And ditto HC. Finally, it is also true HC had had a higher academic reputation prior to playing PL football. I’d certainly like to see us consistently landing CAA-level recruits, ditching the oddball AI, attracting schollie QBs off of FBS depth charts, etc. And I don’t see us doing that in the PL. Annual regional games (Maine, URI, UNH would be great).
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Post by bigfan on Oct 20, 2021 16:30:08 GMT -5
The CAA would be a perfect fit for the football program.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 20, 2021 16:31:22 GMT -5
Upgrade the conference we're in and try to add one more team. If you’re thinking Nova, why would they downgrade? Merrimack?
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 20, 2021 18:08:06 GMT -5
Upgrade the conference we're in and try to add one more team. If you’re thinking Nova, why would they downgrade? Merrimack? Nova is already CAA in football.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 20, 2021 18:12:24 GMT -5
bfoley, you're mixed up on this one. We all know where Nova is. When I mentioned "upgrade" I meant make the current PL better somehow. And add another team with similar values; Merrimack? I don't know.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 20, 2021 18:15:04 GMT -5
bfoley, you're mixed up on this one. We all know where Nova is. When I mentioned "upgrade" I meant make the current PL better somehow. And add another team with similar values; Merrimack? I don't know. Ah...yea, there is NO chance of Villanova downgrading their football program with their history of being a national contender for the last 20 years.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 20, 2021 18:26:12 GMT -5
Highly doubt the CAA would have any interest in HC. They'll wait for either UMess or UCan't to come crawling back hat in hand as FB-only members.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 20, 2021 18:34:57 GMT -5
Highly doubt the CAA would have any interest in HC. They'll wait for either UMess or UCan't to come crawling back hat in hand as FB-only members. If UConn and UMass come back to the CAA, I think you see a split with the Northern teams leaving with UNH, Stony Brook, Albany, Maine, UMass, and UConn starting their own conference. Nova could join them.
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Post by trimster on Oct 20, 2021 18:46:55 GMT -5
Just don't think it will happen. HC was a charter member of the PL and leaving for football would likely sink a league that they helped create and pretty sure TPTB like the association with like-minded academic institutions and while the current Administration may not be as dogmatic that we "aren't in the entertainment business," as marginal an upgrade in conference this might be (vis-a-vis FBS), I think it is still a bridge too far. I would love to see HC ditch the PL in all sports as this whole experience for the last 35 years has eviscerated HC athletics and for what. Student-athletes with good grades who graduated at very high rates. I think we already had that box checked. Bring on the CAA.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 20, 2021 19:00:48 GMT -5
1. CAA has to want us (doubtful) 2. HC has to want to leave an association that many here, like yourself, don't think was helpful to Holy Cross but TPTB probably disagree because otherwise, why would we have stayed for these many decades? 3. Like it or not, while the PL is not the IL, I think it is generally acknowledged to be the second best academic conference in the country. Since we'll never get into the IL, 2nd best works for academic, if not athletic, prestige.
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Post by trimster on Oct 20, 2021 19:10:19 GMT -5
1. CAA has to want us (doubtful) 2. HC has to want to leave an association that many here, like yourself, don't think was helpful to Holy Cross but TPTB probably disagree because otherwise, why would we have stayed for these many decades? 3. Like it or not, while the PL is not the IL, I think it is generally acknowledged to be the second best academic conference in the country. Since we'll never get into the IL, 2nd best works for academic, if not athletic, prestige. Maybe one reason HC has stayed for all these years is no one wanted us to join their conference. As far as #3 is concerned, it doesn’t appear the company we have chosen to keep, (no offense meant to them), has done much to enhance the college’s academic reputation at least when it comes to the well-known rankings.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 20, 2021 19:25:56 GMT -5
Of course, it is obvious that membership in the PL has cratered HC's academic reputation.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 20, 2021 19:26:15 GMT -5
I suspect that’s on us, not the PL. Can’t prove it but HC has made various decisions by itself that caused the drop in rankings but that’d be for another thread.
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Post by trimster on Oct 20, 2021 19:51:32 GMT -5
Of course, it is obvious that membership in the PL has cratered HC's academic reputation. It has certainly cratered one side of the house attire Alma Mater.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 20, 2021 20:05:14 GMT -5
If this was to happen, the CAA would likely be looking to fill that spot. Would HC consider it? Mmm… In short...no. Note: HC would be a much better fit as a football affiliate in the CAA than we would as an all-sports member. And the CAA already has plenty of those. Chances are the CAA will be looking to add an all-sports member to backfill JMU. Names like Furman, Campbell and Monmouth will be highly likely to be tossed around. Maybe even Fairfield as this was rumored to be in the works a few years ago. Not sure why SBU and Albany never pulled the trigger on becoming all sports CAA members (state pressure or a desire to stay with Binghamton?). When they were added to the football league in 2012, the reason given was that their complete entrance was only going to be delayed a couple years because Albany was hosting the A East basketball tournament a year or two out. But haven't heard even a sneeze about it since.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 20, 2021 20:14:29 GMT -5
Highly doubt the CAA would have any interest in HC. They'll wait for either UMess or UCan't to come crawling back hat in hand as FB-only members. If UConn and UMass come back to the CAA, I think you see a split with the Northern teams leaving with UNH, Stony Brook, Albany, Maine, UMass, and UConn starting their own conference. Nova could join them. America East football could definitely happen. And to be honest, I'd be all in for Holy Cross ditching the PL and going to the A EAST in all sports under such a scenario. You could sign me up for this A EAST football league: 1) UMASS 2) UCONN 3) UNH 4) MAINE 5) HOLY CROSS 6) MERRIMACK 7) ALBANY 8) STONY BROOK 9) FORDHAM 10) COLGATE Plus maybe then we could massage some relationships with these schools and get into a certain hockey conference....
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