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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:03:50 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. Interesting, but the way I look at it Chesney is paid in full with his accounts at HC. He owes us nothing more than the tremendous job he is doing. I am sure his contract spells out exactly what the obligations are if either party decides to part ways before the ending date. It would be neither a legal or a moral failing of either party if that happened, no more than when HC parted ways with Sean Kearney or Tom Gilmore or when Ralph Willard parted ways with HC, imo.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 7, 2021 18:07:43 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. Admittedly it is a predominantly cupcake league but if we win a couple of playoff games and break into the top twenty at season’s end that’ll show real improvement. And it’ll be bye bye Chesney IMHO.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:12:43 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. HC gave Chesney a break? ? If HC didn't hire him some other FCS school would of. If you're not impressed by what you see on the field you're a tough nut to crack. A couple of things I'm impressed by: 1) Watching Peter Oliver burst through the line for five yards, pause for a second to yank his foot out of the grasp of a defender and blast forward for another ten. 2) Observing a coach retain players recruited by a predecessor and coach them up to get the best out of them.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 7, 2021 18:19:32 GMT -5
The Minutemen fire Bell and ring their rifles. They can't do anything right.😊 The halftime interview on Saturday with the HC FB strength and conditioning coach provided a hint of the speculated about tension between the FB staff and FADMB. The coach was positive about everything HC football but he took a little jab at the "budget" in one of his answers. I'd like to see President Rougeau "quarterback" this issue. Phreek's insightful posts paint the athletic budget as bureaucratic with spending decisions set months and years in advance, with the chairman of the BOT athletic committee being the real "quarterback" and the President, and the rest of the BOT generally going along. But right now by default HC FB, while still being a complimentary student activity to the main academic mission, is the front window of the school. We aren't zooming up the rankings in USNWR and we aren't getting positive publicity with our other sports (although Mens Soccer is having a good year) so it would be great if the President/CEO could make a fully informed decision about how much HC should spend to reward and retain excellence. A cardinal rule if you wish to succeed in an institutional bureaucracy is not to get out in front of your bosses, in this case the BoT. So when ADMB includes, in the published strategic plan for athletics, a goal of higher compensation of HC coaches, that goal was reviewed and approved by key members of the BoT before it was ever set in print. Same goes for the capital investment for new and renovated playing fields on top of the hill, and the studies on the potential scope of improvements to the rink. As I have noted before, HC's spending on indirect expenses for athletics is exceeded only by Lehigh in the PL, and only by a million $ or so. And HC's sum is twice or more what other PL institutions spend. And I have no NSFW idea why that is. _____________________________ As for the UMass job, Chesney has yet to demonstrate that he can consistently beat the better teams in FCS. But if he feels that he has reached his ceiling at HC, then UMass might be attractive. However, given the upheaval, uncertainty, and historic non-competitiveness at UMass, the head coaching position is more likely to be a graveyard than a stepping stone. Playing as an independent is inherently difficult (unless you are resources and tradition rich like Notre Dame). One value of being in a conference is that your conference opponents are familiar Also remember ADMB's goal for football: advance beyond the first round in the FCS championship.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:22:27 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. Admittedly it is a predominantly cupcake league but if we win a couple of playoff games and break into the top twenty at season’s end that’ll show real improvement. And it’ll be bye bye Chesney IMHO. The last two FCS tournaments we were paired with powerhouses, but one service is projecting UNH at HC in the first round this year which would be winnable. That seeding would be a functioning of an improving team, an example of making one's own luck.
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 18:32:48 GMT -5
Admittedly it is a predominantly cupcake league but if we win a couple of playoff games and break into the top twenty at season’s end that’ll show real improvement. And it’ll be bye bye Chesney IMHO. The last two FCS tournaments we were paired with powerhouses, but one service is projecting UNH at HC in the first round this year which would be winnable. That seeding would be a functioning of an improving team, an example of making one's own luck. Go 9-2 and a home game is a very distinct possibility. The record would justify one.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 7, 2021 18:34:22 GMT -5
Admittedly it is a predominantly cupcake league but if we win a couple of playoff games and break into the top twenty at season’s end that’ll show real improvement. And it’ll be bye bye Chesney IMHO. The last two FCS tournaments we were paired with powerhouses, but one service is projecting UNH at HC in the first round this year which would be winnable. That seeding would be a functioning of an improving team, an example of making one's own luck. UNH already has six losses this year. But I'll have whatever that 'one service' is drinking.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 7, 2021 18:34:29 GMT -5
Are you talking about President Rougeau or Coach Chesney? Coach Chesney has accomplished a lot with two PL Championships. hasn't he? Every level he has taken a down program and made them the best in their league. If people don't think that the big boys in FBS notice that I don't know what to tell you. 95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 7, 2021 18:42:08 GMT -5
Every level he has taken a down program and made them the best in their league. If people don't think that the big boys in FBS notice that I don't know what to tell you. 95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. Bullspit. Indianhoop was one guy who was pretty adamant about not wanting Chesney, but show me the receipts where 95% didn’t want him. I actually think a number of posters were excited about him. Foles, you think unh is looking for a new coach soon as Mac appears to be in the twilight years of his great career?
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 18:46:11 GMT -5
95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. Bullspit. Indianhoop was one guy who was pretty adamant about not wanting Chesney, but show me the receipts where 95% didn’t want him. I actually think a number of posters were excited about him. Foles, you think unh is looking for a new coach soon as Mac appears to be in the twilight years of his great career? Ricky Santos will more than likely be the next UNH coach. Scott James would be high on my list if I was Santos.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 7, 2021 18:47:21 GMT -5
The last two FCS tournaments we were paired with powerhouses, but one service is projecting UNH at HC in the first round this year which would be winnable. That seeding would be a functioning of an improving team, an example of making one's own luck. Go 9-2 and a home game is a very distinct possibility. The record would justify one. IIRC, for the spring 2020-21 season, teams wanting to host had to submit their proposals by mid-season. UMaine was one that did, but was not chosen. Here are the specs that had to be met for the spring 2021 playoff. HC could not meet several, from a quick glance. ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/d1/2020-21D1MFB_PreliminaryRoundBidChecklist.pdf
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:48:49 GMT -5
The Minutemen fire Bell and ring their rifles. They can't do anything right.😊 The halftime interview on Saturday with the HC FB strength and conditioning coach provided a hint of the speculated about tension between the FB staff and FADMB. The coach was positive about everything HC football but he took a little jab at the "budget" in one of his answers. I'd like to see President Rougeau "quarterback" this issue. Phreek's insightful posts paint the athletic budget as bureaucratic with spending decisions set months and years in advance, with the chairman of the BOT athletic committee being the real "quarterback" and the President, and the rest of the BOT generally going along. But right now by default HC FB, while still being a complimentary student activity to the main academic mission, is the front window of the school. We aren't zooming up the rankings in USNWR and we aren't getting positive publicity with our other sports (although Mens Soccer is having a good year) so it would be great if the President/CEO could make a fully informed decision about how much HC should spend to reward and retain excellence. A cardinal rule if you wish to succeed in an institutional bureaucracy is not to get out in front of your bosses, in this case the BoT. So when ADMB includes, in the published strategic plan for athletics, a goal of higher compensation of HC coaches, that goal was reviewed and approved by key members of the BoT before it was ever set in print. Same goes for the capital investment for new and renovated playing fields on top of the hill, and the studies on the potential scope of improvements to the rink. As I have noted before, HC's spending on indirect expenses for athletics is exceeded only by Lehigh in the PL, and only by a million $ or so. And HC's sum is twice or more what other PL institutions spend. And I have no NSFW idea why that is. _____________________________ As for the UMass job, Chesney has yet to demonstrate that he can consistently beat the better teams in FCS. But if he feels that he has reached his ceiling at HC, then UMass might be attractive. However, given the upheaval, uncertainty, and historic non-competitiveness at UMass, the head coaching position is more likely to be a graveyard than a stepping stone. Playing as an independent is inherently difficult (unless you are resources and tradition rich like Notre Dame). One value of being in a conference is that your conference opponents are familiar Also remember ADMB's goal for football: advance beyond the first round in the FCS championship. That ADMB goal for football is remarkable when no other sport at HC has been mentioned in the same sentence as "NCAA tournament" for years. It stands out since HC FB only had two NCAA appearances (Western Carolina, Villanova unless I'm forgetting one) and one bowl game - all losses in the 115 years or so before Chesney, who has taken the team to the postseason two out of his first three years. I thought that goal could be seen as a bit presumptuous and hoped ADMB let Coach Chesney know the school was still overjoyed with the progress made so far. It's not an unrealistic goal but I hoped it was served with a heaping side of praise and acknowledgement that no other sport was even close to an NCAA tournament and what he was asking Chesney to do (win a post season game) had never been done in the entire existence of HC football. It raises another question of whether the MBB assistant coaches average a higher salary than the FB assistant coaches. If so that could be an unforced error on HC's part and contribute to losing staff from our one winning program.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 7, 2021 18:51:37 GMT -5
The 95% number is ludicrous although there were a number of dissenters. I'd be delighted to have anyone audit the threads years ago about the possibility of hiring this coach from Assumption and seeing what I posted.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 7, 2021 18:51:46 GMT -5
Looking at some bracket projections we have a home game vs Sacred Heart.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:55:27 GMT -5
Looking at some bracket projections we have a home game vs Sacred Heart. That's how you get HC's first post season win evah, you keep improving until you don't have to travel to SDSU for the first round.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 18:59:36 GMT -5
The 95% number is ludicrous although there were a number of dissenters. I'd be delighted to have anyone audit the threads years ago about the possibility of hiring this coach from Assumption and seeing what I posted. You may have called Coach Chesney a "dark horse" candidate who was closing on the outside down the stretch.😊
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 19:03:08 GMT -5
If the NCAA holds tight to this checklist, and I read it right, HC has no shot of hosting.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 7, 2021 19:09:28 GMT -5
Looking at some bracket projections we have a home game vs Sacred Heart. That's how you get HC's first post season win evah, you keep improving until you don't have to travel to SDSU for the first round. Note that last year there was no "first round". It was a 16 team playoff instead of 24. In a 24-team bracket, we have a much better CHANCE of hosting a game. And we also won't have to play a Top-8 team since those guys will have byes.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 7, 2021 19:09:41 GMT -5
A cardinal rule if you wish to succeed in an institutional bureaucracy is not to get out in front of your bosses, in this case the BoT. So when ADMB includes, in the published strategic plan for athletics, a goal of higher compensation of HC coaches, that goal was reviewed and approved by key members of the BoT before it was ever set in print. Same goes for the capital investment for new and renovated playing fields on top of the hill, and the studies on the potential scope of improvements to the rink. As I have noted before, HC's spending on indirect expenses for athletics is exceeded only by Lehigh in the PL, and only by a million $ or so. And HC's sum is twice or more what other PL institutions spend. And I have no NSFW idea why that is. _____________________________ As for the UMass job, Chesney has yet to demonstrate that he can consistently beat the better teams in FCS. But if he feels that he has reached his ceiling at HC, then UMass might be attractive. However, given the upheaval, uncertainty, and historic non-competitiveness at UMass, the head coaching position is more likely to be a graveyard than a stepping stone. Playing as an independent is inherently difficult (unless you are resources and tradition rich like Notre Dame). One value of being in a conference is that your conference opponents are familiar Also remember ADMB's goal for football: advance beyond the first round in the FCS championship. That ADMB goal for football is remarkable when no other sport at HC has been mentioned in the same sentence as "NCAA tournament" for years. It stands out since HC FB only had two NCAA appearances (Western Carolina, Villanova unless I'm forgetting one) and one bowl game - all losses in the 115 years or so before Chesney, who has taken the team to the postseason two out of his first three years. I thought that goal could be seen as a bit presumptuous and hoped ADMB let Coach Chesney know the school was still overjoyed with the progress made so far. It's not an unrealistic goal but I hoped it was served with a heaping side of praise and acknowledgement that no other sport was even close to an NCAA tournament and what he was asking Chesney to do (win a post season game) had never been done in the entire existence of HC football. It raises another question of whether the MBB assistant coaches average a higher salary than the FB assistant coaches. If so that could be an unforced error on HC's part and contribute to losing staff from our one winning program. As ADMB would and did explain it, only four HC sports are at their NCAA cap when it comes to scollies. M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey. Football is at 60, three below the NCAA cap, but at the PL cap. More is expected of these teams, from a W-L standpoint. For nearly every other sport, HC is in the bottom tranche when compared to other PL schools with respect to direct spending for that sport. As ADMP said, when one of these teams succeeds by placing in the upper half of the PL, that team has outperformed. ADMB was insistent that HC would be mired in mediocrity unless the number of scollies were increased. There are 29 seniors / superseniors on this fall's football roster. Probably more than any other PL school. That is a lot of experience and depth, and, IMO, should count for something when it comes to goals for the FCS playoffs.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Nov 7, 2021 19:14:54 GMT -5
PP: Thanks for passing this along. Good find. I just read through it quickly. The only item on the checklist that I believe might be an issue pertains to stadium lights. However, this item is not a requirement. According to the checklist, the NCAA “recommends” the team making the bid have a stadium with the proper capability to host a night game.
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Post by southerncross on Nov 7, 2021 19:15:08 GMT -5
This is where the Board should attempt to end speculation and increase his salary and the staff salaries by 50% for next year, and then allow the next AD the opportunity to try and renegotiate a longer term contract From your keyboard to Gods ear!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 7, 2021 19:15:31 GMT -5
If the NCAA holds tight to this checklist, and I read it right, HC has no shot of hosting. The checklist requires field lights. ESPN does not allow games to start before 1 PM local time. So a hosted game at Fitton Field runs the risk of ending in darkness. The locker rooms might be another criterion that is not met. Also the replay system. And the power supply. HC was considering replacing the 12.5 kV power cable and switch gear for Fitton at the time of Luth, but never did. Replacement of the 12.5 kV line required generators to be brought on campus.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 7, 2021 19:20:50 GMT -5
Ches is a smart guy. He'll have a LOT better options than UMess, knows it's an impossible and unsustainable situation there as an independent that no conference wants, and isn't the kind of guy to go for nothing more than a money grab.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 7, 2021 19:26:20 GMT -5
Every level he has taken a down program and made them the best in their league. If people don't think that the big boys in FBS notice that I don't know what to tell you. 95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. Some certainly did feel that way...no where that 95% you quote. Once again you overstated your numbers and, by doing so, weaken your argument.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 7, 2021 20:16:10 GMT -5
95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. Bullspit. Indianhoop was one guy who was pretty adamant about not wanting Chesney, but show me the receipts where 95% didn’t want him. I actually think a number of posters were excited about him. Foles, you think unh is looking for a new coach soon as Mac appears to be in the twilight years of his great career? And indianhoop had a friend and classmate who was allegedly the runner-up for the job. Good-hearted people all of blind loyalties to some extent.
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