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Post by bison137 on Dec 5, 2021 21:48:45 GMT -5
You seem to be implying that our men's basketball coach might not be moving on to Duke, North Carolina, or Kentucky after he finishes with Holy Cross. Well he played at Florida under a current NBA head coach and was the top assistant at Marquette. He will get a job fairly easily after HC. I believe that associate head coach Stan Johnson was considered Marquette’s top assistant during Nelson’s tenure at the school. Johnson is now in his second year as head coach of Loyola Marymount.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 5, 2021 21:52:32 GMT -5
When the "doughboys" returned home after World War One it was said "How can you keep them on the farm now that they've seen Paris?"
Now that President Vince has seen HC FB vs Colgate at Polar Park, vs SHU at Fitton Field and vs Villanova with the President of Villanova and with a rabid group of HC fans at the reception, how does he feel about the MBB program?
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Post by timholycross on Dec 5, 2021 22:30:09 GMT -5
Hope Vince decided to stick around and see the La Salle game.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 5, 2021 22:35:24 GMT -5
Well he played at Florida under a current NBA head coach and was the top assistant at Marquette. He will get a job fairly easily after HC. I believe that associate head coach Stan Johnson was considered Marquette’s top assistant during Nelson’s tenure at the school. Johnson is now in his second year as head coach of Loyola Marymount. 18-12 in 1+ seasons.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 5, 2021 23:29:23 GMT -5
1) Why did we leap frog Johnson to go after Nelson?
2) HC is never using that search firm again, right?
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Post by bison137 on Dec 5, 2021 23:59:08 GMT -5
1) Why did we leap frog Johnson to go after Nelson? 2) HC is never using that search firm again, right? Do you have inside information on this? Is it not possible that Johnson was not interested in the job.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2021 0:34:01 GMT -5
1) Why did we leap frog Johnson to go after Nelson? 2) HC is never using that search firm again, right? Do you have inside information on this? Is it not possible that Johnson was not interested in the job. I doubt we got applications from both Johnson and Nelson and "leapfrogged" over one to get the other. I wasn't trying to be literal, sorry for the confusion. My question tried to make the point that the filling of the only D-1 head coaching opening in the country at the time, after paying a search firm to scour the country, was done so casually that we didn't even get a senior assistant coach on a middling power conference team, we got a second assistant. I know nothing of Coach Johnson but in general second assistant coaches work their way up to first assistant coaches and first assistant coaches work their way up to head coaches and our search didn't follow that path with alarming results so I hope HC uses a different firm in the future. I have developed empathy for all the HC coaches and players and am rooting for improvement, no defections from the team, and accept BBC's argument that Nelson deserves time to try to get his recruits to jell. But I hope we hire someone with a track record of success as a head coach somewhere next time.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 6, 2021 7:44:25 GMT -5
Kearney was Associate Head Coach at ND; that title usually implies top assistant. I doubt HC would have done worse if they went down an assistant level or two.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 6, 2021 8:37:09 GMT -5
It's so clear to me the profiles we need to target for our next head coach:
Either: 1) an individual with Div I significant head coaching success who might have failed in their last job (Willard, Paulsen etc)
or
2) a very successful young head coach at the Div II or Div III level that comes in with a boatload of energy and enthusiasm (the Chesney model)
The risk in hiring another Assistant Coach is just too great.
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Post by trimster on Dec 6, 2021 9:05:08 GMT -5
It's so clear to me the profiles we need to target for our next head coach: Either: 1) an individual with Div I significant head coaching success who might have failed in their last job (Willard, Paulsen etc) or 2) a very successful young head coach at the Div II or Div III level that comes in with a boatload of energy and enthusiasm (the Chesney model) The risk in hiring another Assistant Coach is just too great. Based on the last 50 years, it wouldn’t hurt if the individual were a former player at HC. For the record, I am hoping our current head coach leaves after a run of great success at HC. Perhaps he turns out to be another Langel.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 9:23:46 GMT -5
We would all sign up for each and every coach to deliver a successful program, especially current coaches.
Unfortunately for a few there are no current trends that they will deliver.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 6, 2021 9:53:34 GMT -5
Well he played at Florida under a current NBA head coach and was the top assistant at Marquette. He will get a job fairly easily after HC. I believe that associate head coach Stan Johnson was considered Marquette’s top assistant during Nelson’s tenure at the school. Johnson is now in his second year as head coach of Loyola Marymount. Nelson was also an associate head coach in his last season as they had two. Johnson had that role though longer so you are likely right.🤷♂️ gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2018-19#sidearm-roster-coaches
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2021 15:01:30 GMT -5
Would love to see a few things click in time for league play and vindicate this four man coaching team.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 6, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5
It's so clear to me the profiles we need to target for our next head coach: Either: 1) an individual with Div I significant head coaching success who might have failed in their last job (Willard, Paulsen etc) or 2) a very successful young head coach at the Div II or Div III level that comes in with a boatload of energy and enthusiasm (the Chesney model) The risk in hiring another Assistant Coach is just too great. Based on the last 50 years, it wouldn’t hurt if the individual were a former player at HC. For the record, I am hoping our current head coach leaves after a run of great success at HC. Perhaps he turns out to be another Langel. That would be George and Ralph; funny how it took me several minutes to remember Ralph played for Jack Donahue (I think he came here in the Frank Oftring era, however).
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 7, 2021 10:14:43 GMT -5
He did. Frank had what he called his "situation offense." Even back then it was sometimes referred to as "playground ball."
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 7, 2021 21:47:38 GMT -5
It's so clear to me the profiles we need to target for our next head coach: Either: 1) an individual with Div I significant head coaching success who might have failed in their last job (Willard, Paulsen etc) or 2) a very successful young head coach at the Div II or Div III level that comes in with a boatload of energy and enthusiasm (the Chesney model) The risk in hiring another Assistant Coach is just too great. I agree - for the most part, but I really like the resume of the Murray kid, the UConn assistant.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2021 21:54:08 GMT -5
It's so clear to me the profiles we need to target for our next head coach: Either: 1) an individual with Div I significant head coaching success who might have failed in their last job (Willard, Paulsen etc) or 2) a very successful young head coach at the Div II or Div III level that comes in with a boatload of energy and enthusiasm (the Chesney model) The risk in hiring another Assistant Coach is just too great. I think the risk is great no matter which way you go. Hiring based on category (1), candidates would have included Milan Brown and Bill Carmody.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 10:55:15 GMT -5
Kearney was Associate Head Coach at ND; that title usually implies top assistant. I doubt HC would have done worse if they went down an assistant level or two. Haven’t updated the research recently but former Brey assistants were consistently bad head coaches when I last checked.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2021 11:05:25 GMT -5
I would suggest to the folks at Notre Dame that they drop their men's basketball program and concentrate on a sport where they might do better - football.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2021 11:38:17 GMT -5
Kearney was Associate Head Coach at ND; that title usually implies top assistant. I doubt HC would have done worse if they went down an assistant level or two. Haven’t updated the research recently but former Brey assistants were consistently bad head coaches when I last checked. As I recall, they were not just bad but horrendous
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 18:18:32 GMT -5
Haven’t updated the research recently but former Brey assistants were consistently bad head coaches when I last checked. As I recall, they were not just bad but horrendous Again, I tried to be kind consistent with the spirit of the season but you just couldn’t leave it be.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 9, 2021 22:34:04 GMT -5
I’ll leave this here on AD Hughes’ first day so he doesn’t look in the wrong places whenever the time comes to look. These are the coaches from the list of top 10 PL coaches in the last 20 years. All ten have one of two things in their background: 1) strong success in at least one prior head coaching role at some level or 2) Ivy or PL assistant. This is not a coincidence.
Pat Flannery - head coach at Lebanon Valley College Brett Reed - asst at Oakland CC, High Point, UNC Greensboro and Lehigh Ralph Willard - head coach at St Dominic HS, Western KY and Seton Hall Dave Paulsen - head coach at St Lawrence, LeMoyne and Williams Jeff Jones - head coach at Virginia Nathan Davis - head coach at Randolph-Macon Matt Langel - asst at Penn and Temple Fran O’Hanlon - head coach for three teams overseas, a high school team and asst at Penn Joe Jones - head coach at Columbia Zach Spiker - Cornell asst
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 9, 2021 23:19:21 GMT -5
Ralph was at Pitt, not Seton Hall.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 10, 2021 1:14:21 GMT -5
I’ll leave this here on AD Hughes’ first day so he doesn’t look in the wrong places whenever the time comes to look. These are the coaches from the list of top 10 PL coaches in the last 20 years. All ten have one of two things in their background: 1) strong success in at least one prior head coaching role at some level or 2) Ivy or PL assistant. This is not a coincidence. Pat Flannery - head coach at Lebanon Valley College Brett Reed - asst at Oakland CC, High Point, UNC Greensboro and Lehigh Ralph Willard - head coach at St Dominic HS, Western KY and Seton Hall Dave Paulsen - head coach at St Lawrence, LeMoyne and Williams Jeff Jones - head coach at Virginia Nathan Davis - head coach at Randolph-Macon Matt Langel - asst at Penn and Temple Fran O’Hanlon - head coach for three teams overseas, a high school team and asst at Penn Joe Jones - head coach at Columbia Zach Spiker - Cornell asst George left for Seton Hall, easy to understand glitch. I hope this pattern doesn't extend to Athletic Directors because Kit spent 15 years at BC and NC State, two ACC schools with little in common with the PL. Since HC welcomed Coach Chesney they have not hired a coach or AD who has built his own successful franchise, only subordinates at D-1 non-PL or IL schools. Yet HC athletics and the individual sports all need someone who has the skill to build/rebuild a program, not just to be a good soldier in an established operation.
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