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Post by longsuffering on Dec 5, 2021 0:19:02 GMT -5
I disagree - a superior coach would make a huge difference. A superior coach would beat you in our old barn, beat you in your new showplace and then go down to the YMCA and beat you there.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 5, 2021 4:36:47 GMT -5
Now, now. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. How do you think the Hart rates with people without purple in their veins? Just FYI - res is a Bucknell/St. Bonaventure fan (I try not to hold that against him when I see his posts here )
Although I would have liked to see a few more chairbacks in the renovation, I don't think the current version of the Hart is as bad as some of you are making it out to be. Spacious entrance, not trapped like sardines, plenty of rest rooms, nice practice gym, nice locker rooms and meeting areas, etc. As I've mentioned before, any gym/arena looks nicer when it's filled with fans. I don't buy that hoops cannot be a relevant/positive experience again - no disrespect to Colgate, but if they can do it in the year 2021 then HC can. But in terms of a future fanbase, they better get going pretty soon!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 7:57:26 GMT -5
Well said, as usual, NAD. The play on the court and on the gridiron is more important to me than the accoutrements. But I recognize I might be in the minority. Restroom facilities count especially when you bring someone of the other gender. Basic food with at least minimal variety nice. Chairbacks for those of us who want to pay a little extra (and do). Oh, there is one legitimate gripe for both Hart and Fitton - sound system stinks. Thought it was my poor hearing but told by those with normal hearing that it stinks. No excuse for not fixing. The blaring music before games and halftime could have the volume down by half but that's not a facilities issue, that's by choice allegedly because "the players like it" (really?!).
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 9:39:35 GMT -5
I don't buy the facilities issue for basketball. The Hart Center is remarkably similar to the facility of Saint Mary's College (CA) who compete with Gonzaga every year, have made the NCAAs many times, and been seeded as high as #7. smcgaels.com/sports/2018/5/29/ot-index-facilities-html.aspxIt's who is heading the program that is key. Look at the success that Iona has enjoyed over the years playing in a facility very similar to LaSalle's. Get the right coach "and they will come." We have unfortunately made 4 poor choices in a row. The next selection of head coach is absolutely CRITICAL at this point.
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Post by trimster on Dec 5, 2021 9:57:54 GMT -5
As long as we keep playing defense the way we have been under CBN, we will not win many basketball games. Our ability to prevent easy baskets is awful. It either has to improve or a different defensive philosophy has to be adopted. If neither happens I suspect the SS Nelson will go down with its m2m philosophy being the biggest drag.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 5, 2021 10:15:12 GMT -5
They are actually a very bad team.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 5, 2021 10:19:32 GMT -5
HC makes everyone look good.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2021 10:39:36 GMT -5
HC makes everyone look good. LaSalle shot .675 on its twos. It came into the game shooting .407 in its first six games of the season.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 5, 2021 10:45:23 GMT -5
I'd say HC is loaded with arm wavers on D, but they are so out of position they rarely have the chance to even do so.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 5, 2021 10:56:56 GMT -5
The only problem is this "old history soaked gym" was built in 1998. It's a disgrace. Looks like they took the equivalent of HC's late not-so-great fieldhouse and made basketball arena out of it. Or UConn's old place. Has "quonset hut" written all over it. I, for one, think that the Hart basketball arena is a terrific place to watch a game - and to play. Maybe my memory is clouded by the SRO crowds of the 70s and 80s, but I also recall a PL championship game vs Bucknell many years later when the place was rocking. If we can someday put together a winning team, the stands will start to fill up again, and no team - PL or OOC, will want to face us on that floor. My recollection is that Sports Illustrated was doing a story on basketball “pits” in 1978, and had a writer and photographer in the building for inclusion of HC in the story. Unfortunately, UMass beat us on a heave at the buzzer (Alex English?), and the Hart portion of the story wound up on the cutting-room floor. Now, about putting together a winning team.........
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Post by trimster on Dec 5, 2021 11:09:29 GMT -5
Looks like they took the equivalent of HC's late not-so-great fieldhouse and made basketball arena out of it. Or UConn's old place. Has "quonset hut" written all over it. I, for one, think that the Hart basketball arena is a terrific place to watch a game - and to play. Maybe my memory is clouded by the SRO crowds of the 70s and 80s, but I also recall a PL championship game vs Bucknell many years later when the place was rocking. If we can someday put together a winning team, the stands will start to fill up again, and no team - PL or OOC, will want to face us on that floor. My recollection is that Sports Illustrated was doing a story on basketball “pits” in 1978, and had a writer and photographer in the building for inclusion of HC in the story. Unfortunately, UMass beat us on a heave at the buzzer (Alex English?), and the Hart portion of the story wound up on the cutting-room floor. Now, about putting together a winning team......... I think it was either Alex Eldridge or Claiborne whose first name escapes me. I had a front row seat at that end of the floor and as soon as the shot left his hands from 40 feet fading away, I thought that thing is going in. First time Eldridge, Claiborne and Pyatt beat Potter, Vicens et al in 7 or 8 tries. I’ll never be convinced the UMass player who bearhugged Garry Witts from behind in the corner to force a jump ball, didn’t foul him. The rest was history. A prayer, buzzer, nothing but net.
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Post by dadominate on Dec 5, 2021 11:38:46 GMT -5
alex english played at university of south carolina. one of the most underrated players in nba history and leading scorer in the 1980's over jordan, bird, magic, nique and others (though largely a function of the denver offensive system and holy cross-like defense).
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 11:42:19 GMT -5
You mean that as a compliment, right? Just checking.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 5, 2021 21:03:38 GMT -5
Can't remember the guy that hit that shot (it had a trajectory of what seemed like twice the height of a normal shot, a complete fluke), but it wasn't Eldridge.
Unfortunately, Eldridge died of a heart attack, was only in his late 20s, very sad. As a player, good at times, a real head case.
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Post by rose22 on Dec 5, 2021 22:06:42 GMT -5
Very curious what RJJ's injury was. Just doesn't seem like the same player. I’ll say this again. Surgery on shooting hand (bone removal) and arthroscopic knee surgery after a torn meniscus…he’s been out a while.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 5, 2021 23:07:36 GMT -5
Can't remember the guy that hit that shot (it had a trajectory of what seemed like twice the height of a normal shot, a complete fluke), but it wasn't Eldridge. Unfortunately, Eldridge died of a heart attack, was only in his late 20s, very sad. As a player, good at times, a real head case. I was at the UMass game on the night being discussed, Thursday, Feb 2, 1978. Sitting in the balcony directly opposite the UMass bench. So much of that game I purged from my memory, however for some reason, I remember Mike Pyatt, as hitting the buzzer beater, but I could be wrong in that Derick Claiborne was the culprit with Umass taking the game 77-76. I still see the ball in the air, trying to will it to bounce off the rim. It was a long ride home that night. I had a miserable Friday Feb 3, 1978. Then Storm Larry hit on February 6, 1978. The previous Saturday, January 28, 1978, HC beat Umass in the Boston Garden, 76-63.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 6, 2021 6:32:27 GMT -5
Very curious what RJJ's injury was. Just doesn't seem like the same player. I’ll say this again. Surgery on shooting hand (bone removal) and arthroscopic knee surgery after a torn meniscus…he’s been out a while. Sorry, I must have missed this. Was this reported somewhere, or do you have inside info. If the latter, any idea about Dorsey's injury? Thank you.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 6, 2021 8:29:33 GMT -5
NAD I think I remember a post about RJJ’s knee issue 3-4 months ago and he was wearing a wrap on his left leg in the first game that he played. Don’t recall ever hearing about a hand injury.
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Post by trimster on Dec 6, 2021 8:59:45 GMT -5
NAD I think I remember a post about RJJ’s knee issue 3-4 months ago and he was wearing a wrap on his left leg in the first game that he played. Don’t recall ever hearing about a hand injury. I heard a reference to RJ recovering from two off-season surgeries on either a Zoom meeting or podcast with the two head coaches. I think it was the podcast but I don’t remember if it was made by CBN or the podcast host.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 10:11:52 GMT -5
Hand surgery can be tricky-- given the way we are playing it might make sense for RJJ to sit out the rest of the season, have a healthy recovery, and take a medical redshirt year and go for a double major.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2021 10:26:20 GMT -5
Hand surgery can be tricky-- given the way we are playing it might make sense for RJJ to sit out the rest of the season, have a healthy recovery, and take a medical redshirt year and go for a double major. Maybe. A doctor would have to deem that he is unable to play, though. If that doesn't happen, it makes taking a medical redshirt impossible. Also, not that RJJ has been great since his return, but without him it makes finding several wins this season even tougher to come by.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 10:50:30 GMT -5
Agree but are we more or less concerned if we win 8-9 games vs 4-6 this season? If we hit 9 wins we are at 17 wins during the past 2 1/2 seasons. If we hit 6 we are at 14.
In both cases, I would say the numbers are troubling- and I would rather make sure RJJ is healthy and can play for 3 more seasons. Once he gets to our age those injuries are often complicated with significant arthritis pain.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 6, 2021 11:02:50 GMT -5
Hand surgery can be tricky-- given the way we are playing it might make sense for RJJ to sit out the rest of the season, have a healthy recovery, and take a medical redshirt year and go for a double major. Maybe. A doctor would have to deem that he is unable to play, though. If that doesn't happen, it makes taking a medical redshirt impossible. True. Further, that diagnosis would have to come from the Doctor who has been treating him. Also must be accompanied by medical records, MRIs, etc. And the injury must be one that would incapacitate him for the entire season.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2021 11:08:54 GMT -5
Agree but are we more or less concerned if we win 8-9 games vs 4-6 this season? If we hit 9 wins we are at 17 wins during the past 2 1/2 seasons. If we hit 6 we are at 14. In both cases, I would say the numbers are troubling- and I would rather make sure RJJ is healthy and can play for 3 more seasons. Once he gets to our age those injuries are often complicated with significant arthritis pain. Yeah, but we can't just try and medically redshirt him because we are having a dog poopy year and think it will benefit in the long run to have RJJ around for three more years after this one.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2021 11:21:43 GMT -5
Hand surgery can be tricky-- given the way we are playing it might make sense for RJJ to sit out the rest of the season, have a healthy recovery, and take a medical redshirt year and go for a double major. I understand you were up for the Kathy Bates role in "Misery."🙂 Whatever is best for RJJ but a tough blow for HC fans.
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