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Post by timholycross on Dec 12, 2021 11:24:07 GMT -5
6 assists yesterday, we are #354 out of 358 in assist to turnover ratio illustrating the point that we run no semblance of an efficient offense. Options 1, 2 and 3 are pound it into Gates and let him try to score over 3 bigger people, if that fails Luc or Martindale try to beat their man off the dribble and if that fails someone heaves up a 3 pointer. On defense I wonder if RW was counting the number of players on the roster that would fit his description of not being able to defend a chair. As far as talent is concerned a player that averaged 30 minutes a game for us the last two years is getting no meaningful minutes at the 1-9 school he transferred to. The most concerning thing is there is no improvement in any area from game to game. Who are you talking about? Faw and Butler play a lot and both teams are 5-4. Who else played a lot for us the last TWO years that isn't there any more? I blame the revolving door more than my memory here.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 12, 2021 11:26:03 GMT -5
Ryan Wade
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Post by joe on Dec 12, 2021 11:26:04 GMT -5
6 assists yesterday, we are #354 out of 358 in assist to turnover ratio illustrating the point that we run no semblance of an efficient offense. Options 1, 2 and 3 are pound it into Gates and let him try to score over 3 bigger people, if that fails Luc or Martindale try to beat their man off the dribble and if that fails someone heaves up a 3 pointer. On defense I wonder if RW was counting the number of players on the roster that would fit his description of not being able to defend a chair. As far as talent is concerned a player that averaged 30 minutes a game for us the last two years is getting no meaningful minutes at the 1-9 school he transferred to. The most concerning thing is there is no improvement in any area from game to game. I was wondering the same thing as I watched the game. As Ralph used to say, “You have to have something to hang your hat on every night.” Right now, we don’t have a hat. We need to find that something real soon. Even if we had a hat, we don’t have a hook to hang it on.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2021 11:27:40 GMT -5
In the 1984-85 season, Holy Cross was 0-12 vs. D1 out of conference (it did beat Assumption). Interestingly, that team went 8-6 in the MAAC, finishing third.
That was the only time.
Of those 12 losses though were: PC, BC, Marquette, Notre Dame and Maryland. Close losses to Rice 60-62, Yale 55-59, UNH 67-68 and Harvard 66-67. That team was a mess....know a lot of those guys and don't want to rehash a decades old issue. As rough as that season was, we were light years above the way this current team is performing. Frustrated, as we all are, but Nelson is really stahhting to grate on me. We don't need Don Rickles, George Carlin or Shecky Greene to coach our team but from afar, Nelson just comes across as very dour and charmless. He has a reason to be now I know but that's really how I've always perceived him since he started at HC. George and Ralph weren't always ice-cream and lollipops but they nearly always carried themselves with class and wit. As I said earlier, this guy was a "bad fit at HC" the moment he first stepped on Mt St James. Nelson has never had a chance to be relaxed and confident from a position of strength. As soon as he arrived players started leaving (Green and Grandy) and it's gone down hill from there. When George arrived he had already been head coach at Stonehill and Dartmouth and was an HC alum and good players like Potter, Vicens and Perry started arriving and winning. When Ralph arrived he had already taken Western Kentucky to the Sweet Sixteen, was an HC alum and the changes he made soon started working.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 12, 2021 12:02:21 GMT -5
In other words, George and Ralph were better qualified to assume the head coaching position.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 12, 2021 12:22:29 GMT -5
Ah, forgot him. Then again, if that team played the teams we've played, I bet they'd be better than 1-9. Played Missouri, DePaul, Gonzaga, Kentucky, Xavier.... I figure you can match up BC with DePaul, that's it. But Wade is definitely an afterthought there. The person 10th in minutes averages 9.3; not like they don't spread time around. 6 games, 4 min a game, with a lot of blowouts.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 12, 2021 12:25:24 GMT -5
In other words, George and Ralph were better qualified to assume the head coaching position. George was mentally equipped to handle two bad years. I've always wanted to ask him, especially about the first year; if he thought things would be that bad. 9-17 with a team that many thought would not fold down the stretch as so many Donahue teams did. Turns out, there never was a stretch to fold down! The second bad year was more or less universally expected, especially after Gaskins' departure.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 12, 2021 14:45:46 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing as I watched the game. As Ralph used to say, “You have to have something to hang your hat on every night.” Right now, we don’t have a hat. We need to find that something real soon. Even if we had a hat, we don’t have a hook to hang it on. We don’t have a foundation on which to build our house. We are a long way from finishing things up with knobs for the cabinets, light fixtures and hat hooks.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 12, 2021 14:54:53 GMT -5
In other words, George and Ralph were better qualified to assume the head coaching position. George was mentally equipped to handle two bad years. I've always wanted to ask him, especially about the first year; if he thought things would be that bad. 9-17 with a team that many thought would not fold down the stretch as so many Donahue teams did. Turns out, there never was a stretch to fold down! The second bad year was more or less universally expected, especially after Gaskins' departure. Jim Dougher coming aboard in year 3 as the assistant, as well the dynamic duo of freshmen who immediately took charge, changed the trajectory of the team in 1974-1975. Unfortunately, the contributions of Coach Dougher from 1974-1982 have been overlooked by many, but to me after he left, the team lost its swagger. Maybe the portal will provide help for next year with size and shooting consistency. We can only hope.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2021 14:55:52 GMT -5
Agree 92
After mass today I chatted with our pastor, Holy Cross graduate Father Paul Scalia, S.J., and he told me if I felt compelled to watch the games during the Christmas season, in an act of charity, sanity, and Christmas spirit, I should keep my thoughts to myself, at least for now
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Post by hc87 on Dec 12, 2021 16:57:28 GMT -5
George was mentally equipped to handle two bad years. I've always wanted to ask him, especially about the first year; if he thought things would be that bad. 9-17 with a team that many thought would not fold down the stretch as so many Donahue teams did. Turns out, there never was a stretch to fold down! The second bad year was more or less universally expected, especially after Gaskins' departure. Jim Dougher coming aboard in year 3 as the assistant, as well the dynamic duo of freshmen who immediately took charge, changed the trajectory of the team in 1974-1975. Unfortunately, the contributions of Coach Dougher from 1974-1982 have been overlooked by many, but to me after he left, the team lost its swagger. Maybe the portal will provide help for next year with size and shooting consistency. We can only hope. Agreed...a very good coach. Looking him up now, I had forgotten Dougher was head coach at Stonehill before coming to Mt St James.
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2021 18:12:17 GMT -5
George was mentally equipped to handle two bad years. I've always wanted to ask him, especially about the first year; if he thought things would be that bad. 9-17 with a team that many thought would not fold down the stretch as so many Donahue teams did. Turns out, there never was a stretch to fold down! The second bad year was more or less universally expected, especially after Gaskins' departure. Jim Dougher coming aboard in year 3 as the assistant, as well the dynamic duo of freshmen who immediately took charge, changed the trajectory of the team in 1974-1975. Unfortunately, the contributions of Coach Dougher from 1974-1982 have been overlooked by many, but to me after he left, the team lost its swagger. Maybe the portal will provide help for next year with size and shooting consistency. We can only hope. There are many that think that Dougher was the secret of Blaney's success. His record with Dougher as an assistant is much better than without him Persomally, I don't think you can say enough good things about Jim Dougher
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Post by timholycross on Dec 12, 2021 18:28:56 GMT -5
I think Jim threw up his hands with some of Brooks' decisions. I'm not sure which one was the final straw, but 82 would have been when HC was supposedly in the A10 then wasn't.
An unusual situation occurred when Jim came to HC. He and Jack's (then George's) assistant, Frank McArdle, basically traded jobs. Sadly, Frank* died of cancer after a season at Stonehill.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -5
Jim Dougher coming aboard in year 3 as the assistant, as well the dynamic duo of freshmen who immediately took charge, changed the trajectory of the team in 1974-1975. Unfortunately, the contributions of Coach Dougher from 1974-1982 have been overlooked by many, but to me after he left, the team lost its swagger. Maybe the portal will provide help for next year with size and shooting consistency. We can only hope. Agreed...a very good coach. Looking him up now, I had forgotten Dougher was head coach at Stonehill before coming to Mt St James. A special man, created the Control offense, and a great teacher of the game he truly was hard on a few players but great for their life development
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2021 18:47:07 GMT -5
I think Jim threw up his hands with some of Brooks' decisions. I'm not sure which one was the final straw, but 82 would have been when HC was supposedly in the A10 then wasn't. An unusual situation occurred when Jim came to HC. He and Jack's (then George's) assistant, Frank McArdle, basically traded jobs. Sadly, Frank* died of cancer after a season at Stonehill. Frank was a special guy incredibly loyal to Kevin Stacom he arranged for a group of us fro Holy Cross and Providence to work together at a trucking company I was paired in a truck with Marvin Barnes - I will say as a sheltered military brat my life was changed forever later I shared a few stories with former BC great Jackie Kvancz-we did a few CYO teams in his years as AD at GW, and Jim Larranaga- you can’t make the stories up
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Post by timholycross on Dec 12, 2021 20:17:26 GMT -5
Frank coached the freshmen AND was the varsity assistant. No other assistants, paid or unpaid! Definitely some people who helped with recruiting, which was the norm in those days; but nothing other than that.
I remember one conversation regarding a kid who had been starting and had, at least to me, surprisingly left the team. Frank said "Joe came to me and told me he thought he should be playing more ....I told him based on his performance he should be playing less".
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2021 20:21:22 GMT -5
Love the answer especially from him or any assistant
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