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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2021 14:15:55 GMT -5
We are playing an improving URI program in a home and home in 2024 and 2025 I believe....
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 15, 2021 14:18:48 GMT -5
I think that we are going to see the gradual elevation of the sports profiles of the HBCU instittutions, and at some point, I expect they will elevate to FCS and FBS divisions. As a group, they are getting better recruits, more attention and more financial resources.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2021 14:27:03 GMT -5
I think that we are going to see the gradual elevation of the sports profiles of the HBCU instittutions, and at some point, I expect they will elevate to FCS and FBS divisions. As a group, they are getting better recruits, more attention and more financial resources. Many of them are already playing at the FCS level....they largely don't participate in the FCS playoffs in playing in their own bowls....though Florida A&M did play in the FCS playoffs this year. Big step to FBS...not sure they are financially capable of making that jump but who knows?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 14:53:32 GMT -5
Here is my early odds line for HC's Out-Of-Conference slate of games next season
0 Wins= 250 to 1 1 Win= 30 to 1 2 Wins= 6 to 1 3 Wins= 1 to 1 4 Wins= 8 to 5 5 Wins= 10 to 1
I have allowed for a modest takeout percentage for the house as the line adds to only 115%
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 15:06:24 GMT -5
I think that we are going to see the gradual elevation of the sports profiles of the HBCU institutions, and at some point, I expect they will elevate to FCS and FBS divisions. As a group, they are getting better recruits, more attention and more financial resources. I think many of the HBCU schools--a fascinating study for sure--are on very shaky financial ground. Howard has a substantial endowment and Spelman and Hampton are pretty good and Morehouse isn't bad. After that their resources start getting pretty meager. There's more to finances than endowments, but they are still a pretty good leading indicator, I think. Perhaps the long run the stock market has enjoyed will start spurring increased donations from alumni and others and there have been some large contributions in the last couple of years. I don't know that these schools will be able to increase investments in athletics
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 15, 2021 15:38:07 GMT -5
Also, recent federal legislation has directed money into their coffers.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5
I think that we are going to see the gradual elevation of the sports profiles of the HBCU instittutions, and at some point, I expect they will elevate to FCS and FBS divisions. As a group, they are getting better recruits, more attention and more financial resources. Many of them are already playing at the FCS level....they largely don't participate in the FCS playoffs in playing in their own bowls....though Florida A&M did play in the FCS playoffs this year. Big step to FBS...not sure they are financially capable of making that jump but who knows? HBCU to FBS is tough due to the financial constraints that KY laid out in post above. The only thing they really have to hang their hat on is attendance. While these schools have historically placed a fair share of alum in the NFL, especially at the skill positions, the overall quality of play for the most part would translate to NEC/PL level. FAMU was the first HCU to participate in the FCS playoffs since they started the Celebration Bowl 5 or 6 years back, and they got absolutely destroyed by SE Louisiana. No HBCU has won a playoff game since 1999 (FAMU), and none have even been competitive since a couple of very good Hampton teams in the mid-2000's put scares into Richmond and William & Mary. Florida A&M tried moving up to I-A around 2002 -- I believe they had an invite to Conference USA, which was then a strong league, but did not survive the transitional move-up period and went back to the MEAC. The fallout from the move wound up being a total disaster, one from which the program is just now recovering from. Prior to the attempted move up, FAMU was not only good but a I-AA title contender. In either '98 or '99, they were "4th-and-goal" away from getting to the title game in Chattanooga but a late stop by Jim Tressel-led Youngstown state ended that run. No HBCU has won a playoff game since, as I stated above. As far as market presence, attendance and consistency of product on the field, the only 2 HBCUs I could see moving up would be North Carolina A&T and Jackson State....MAYBE Southern. And largely because of the Conference USA situation where that league seems to be looking at any warm body to stay alive as an FBS league. A couple of big-name basketball recruits made headlines by signing with HBCUs last year but I haven't heard a whole lot since. It was a big deal, as both turned down offers from the likes of Kentucky and UCLA. However, MEAC and SWAC basketball are for the most part are in even worse shape than football, without the gaudy attendance figures. Most of these schools play an inordinate amount of guarantee games in Men's Basketball to try and ease financial constraints. These schools have some of the lowest overall student graduation rates and retention rates in the country, which I am sure has a negative effect on alumni donations.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 16:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 15, 2021 18:11:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the info above, everyone. I guess what I am reacting to is not the present financial reality, but the fact that there have been an increasing number of highly rated black athletes that have indicated they are choosing an HBCU because it is a way to participate more fully in black life and support the movement of black higher education. In addition to Jackson State signing the number 1 recruit in the nation, I remember a recent highly rated recruit choosing Howard for basketball. If that kind of thing builds up steam, I would not be surprised if it leads to some athletic and financial success.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2021 18:24:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the info above, everyone. I guess what I am reacting to is not the present financial reality, but the fact that there have been an increasing number of highly rated black athletes that have indicated they are choosing an HBCU because it is a way to participate more fully in black life and support the movement of black higher education. In addition to Jackson State signing the number 1 recruit in the nation, I remember a recent highly rated recruit choosing Howard for basketball. If that kind of thing builds up steam, I would not be surprised if it leads to some athletic and financial success. Take a look at Howard's MBB schedule and results this year if you want to see how that's going so far. They've beaten 2 DII teams, Bradley, William & Mary and American. Lost to Villanova (by 19 -- not bad), Mt St Marys, Austin Peay and High Point. Not bad but a long way from really moving the needle. Jackson St landing CB Travis Hunter (#2 recruit in the country) is a BIG DEAL. But through and through, these schools have a long way to look up when it comes to the top of FCS. HBCU have always historically produced Pro Bowl, even HOF-level talent at the skill positions. Walter Payton (Jackson State), Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley), Steve McNair (Alcorn St), Donald Driver (Alcorn St), Doug Williams (Grambling) and Antoine Bethea (Howard) just a few big names off the top.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 15, 2021 18:53:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info above, everyone. I guess what I am reacting to is not the present financial reality, but the fact that there have been an increasing number of highly rated black athletes that have indicated they are choosing an HBCU because it is a way to participate more fully in black life and support the movement of black higher education. In addition to Jackson State signing the number 1 recruit in the nation, I remember a recent highly rated recruit choosing Howard for basketball. If that kind of thing builds up steam, I would not be surprised if it leads to some athletic and financial success. Makur Maker played a grand total of two games for Howard last season, double digit losses to Hampton and Queens (NC). He was injured after the second game and did not appear in the next three games before Howard’s season was cancelled. He achieved a career total of 48 minutes, 23 points, 12 rebounds and 9 turnovers. He is now playing professionally in Australia as a means of improving his NBA draft stock.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5
We are playing an improving URI program in a home and home in 2024 and 2025 I believe.... Not just improving. Already legitimately good.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2021 21:07:05 GMT -5
Speaking of Howard basketball, they played Georgetown tonight. Game was on FS1. They hung in there against the Hoyas. They run a nice offense and share the ball -- fun team to watch. Gave up too many easy baskets on the other end. But they're definitely a legit low-major team. Expect them to be in the running for the MEAC title, if they're not already the league favorite at this point in time.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2021 23:00:26 GMT -5
We are playing an improving URI program in a home and home in 2024 and 2025 I believe.... There's probably a chance of getting a home-and-home with a CAA team in 2022/23 with JMU leaving that league there are open dates for sure. Depends if HC can and would schedule a 12th game if the 11 people have mentioned are written in stone.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2021 23:08:30 GMT -5
Again, I don't think we can schedule a 12th game until 2024 and 2025....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2021 11:35:14 GMT -5
We are playing an improving URI program in a home and home in 2024 and 2025 I believe.... There's probably a chance of getting a home-and-home with a CAA team in 2022/23 with JMU leaving that league there are open dates for sure. Depends if HC can and would schedule a 12th game if the 11 people have mentioned are written in stone. I dont think that will affect CAA scheduling. They'll still play the same number of conference games. CAA has 11 football members, 10 without JMU, so its not a round robin conference slate.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 16, 2021 12:26:33 GMT -5
I hope HC wouldn't act in bad faith to cancel an NEC team if a CAA team had an opening. It could backfire because who is to say an SCU or Merrimack wouldn't be a better football team during that future season than a Maine or URI?
Plus it's a great feeling rooting for teams from an honorable, or as Mr. E. would say, "a fine Institution."
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 16, 2021 13:42:35 GMT -5
After our game with Villanova and watching highlights of Nova vs. Penn State, I'd say let's try to get a better payout game then Buffalo. I agree I would not want to back out of an NEC game, but I'd drop Buffalo for Penn State or Notre Dame! Probably a higher payout! Take that money and deposit it immediately in our coaching staff's bank accounts.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 16, 2021 16:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 16, 2021 17:24:07 GMT -5
1) Ches wants zero to do with games vs P5 teams. Fact, not opinion. Only does (see BC) when forced to from his bosses.
2) What makes anyone think ND or PSU would even want anything to do with HC? Takes both schools to agree to play last I checked.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 16, 2021 17:48:57 GMT -5
I hope HC wouldn't act in bad faith to cancel an NEC team if a CAA team had an opening. It could backfire because who is to say an SCU or Merrimack wouldn't be a better football team during that future season than a Maine or URI? Plus it's a great feeling rooting for teams from an honorable, or as Mr. E. would say, "a fine Institution." The NEC does nothing for HC when it comes to FCS ranking, and ultimately who and where HC gets to play in the playoff round.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 16, 2021 18:00:06 GMT -5
UB is a picture perfect FBS opponent for HC, imo. Like UConn and UMass we have tradition with the Bulls and a lifetime winning record. They should be clear favorites but for HC it is also a winnable game. We get more credit for winning than we lose if we don't win. The game is not in our alumni wheelhouse geographically but close enough to be an interesting destination. We get a warm-up game vs Merrimack. Really couldn't do much better all things considered.
The Syracuse and Navy games were against bigger names, but not as realistic an athletic contest as those against UConn, UMass or UB. BC is a special game whenever it occurs because of geography, tradition and Jesuit ties.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2021 18:00:46 GMT -5
I hope HC wouldn't act in bad faith to cancel an NEC team if a CAA team had an opening. It could backfire because who is to say an SCU or Merrimack wouldn't be a better football team during that future season than a Maine or URI? Plus it's a great feeling rooting for teams from an honorable, or as Mr. E. would say, "a fine Institution." The NEC does nothing for HC when it comes to FCS ranking, and ultimately who and where HC gets to play in the playoff round. Our entire FCS slate next year could be the same way. The Ivies don’t get much respect (I think they’re shortchanged) in the rankings, PL may be awful again, and the NEC is precisely as you state. This could be a situation that getting just 1 FCS loss (or even running the FCS table) doesn’t get us a bye or even a nice first round matchup. Not having a couple of CAA games could really cost us.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 16, 2021 18:37:34 GMT -5
I hope HC wouldn't act in bad faith to cancel an NEC team if a CAA team had an opening. It could backfire because who is to say an SCU or Merrimack wouldn't be a better football team during that future season than a Maine or URI? Plus it's a great feeling rooting for teams from an honorable, or as Mr. E. would say, "a fine Institution." The NEC does nothing for HC when it comes to FCS ranking, and ultimately who and where HC gets to play in the playoff round. Merrimack outplayed us and SHU played us almost as tough as Villanova with HC only winning in a last second miracle play for the ages. On balance I would have to say our two NEC opponents were tougher than our two IL opponents as we got blown out by one team from each league but handled the other IL team handily and won by the skin of our teeth against the other NEC team. With Grad transfers, the NEC has every opportunity to be ahead of the PL in league rankings next season.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 16, 2021 18:45:07 GMT -5
The NEC does nothing for HC when it comes to FCS ranking, and ultimately who and where HC gets to play in the playoff round. Our entire FCS slate next year could be the same way. The Ivies don’t get much respect (I think they’re shortchanged) in the rankings, PL may be awful again, and the NEC is precisely as you state. This could be a situation that getting just 1 FCS loss (or even running the FCS table) doesn’t get us a bye or even a nice first round matchup. Not having a couple of CAA games could really cost us. I make the assumption HC tried to schedule CAA or other teams before they settled for Bryant and as has been mentioned, Merrimack is able to offer hockey games vs HC which helps HC and does nothing for Merrimack. So it's possible there was no practical way to avoid the two NEC opponents for this fall.
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