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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2021 15:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 17:55:06 GMT -5
Many good coaches pass through Assumption in one way or another.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 26, 2021 18:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 19:49:02 GMT -5
From 24-8 and the NCAA tournament in 1990-91 to 0-27 in 1992-93 and then fired or quit halfway through the next year's one win season. What happened? |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 26, 2021 20:11:28 GMT -5
Wonder who took that photo on the article ;-) Brock Erickson was an assistant at Bryant recently and most recently at Illinois Chicago. nicholsathletics.com/staff-directory/brock-erickson/1371Nichols has a Towson transfer at PG that has been able to control the offense when pressured and they have an athletic four man outside of Morrow who this article was about. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 10:29:51 GMT -5
Well, if that was you, Foley, I guess if you are taking D3 pictures, we shouldn't look down our noses at Holy Cross playing D3 teams either, right?  |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2021 11:21:20 GMT -5
Well, if that was you, Foley, I guess if you are taking D3 pictures, we shouldn't look down our noses at Holy Cross playing D3 teams either, right? As long as the check clears I don't care |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 11:35:33 GMT -5
Hmmm. The new Nichols president was most recently provost at Bryant. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
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Post by trimster on Dec 29, 2021 12:43:57 GMT -5
Well, if that was you, Foley, I guess if you are taking D3 pictures, we shouldn't look down our noses at Holy Cross playing D3 teams either, right? As long as the check clears I don't care Good one. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2021 13:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 13:17:19 GMT -5
That's a bridge too far for Nichols with an endowment way below $25M. But, one can dream. Like Holy Cross having a winning men's basketball team once again.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -5
That's a bridge too far for Nichols with an endowment way below $25M. But, one can dream. Like Holy Cross having a winning men's basketball team once again. Being a business school, Nichols has many CEO alumni. They need to hire better Development folks. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2021 15:11:32 GMT -5
That's a bridge too far for Nichols with an endowment way below $25M. But, one can dream. Like Holy Cross having a winning men's basketball team once again. Being a business school, Nichols has many CEO alumni. They need to hire better Development folks. This is true...he spoke of that on the podcast |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 15:25:10 GMT -5
He's head and shoulders over his predecessor and I expect there will be significant improvement in all areas at our fellow Worcester college. Leadership can't be underestimated in any organization but especially important at educational institutions. Guess that's my hope with Holy Cross as well whether that be in the president's office or the athletic director's.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 15:41:12 GMT -5
As usual, we are straying a bit from the initial point: that there can be a turnover of head coaches in basketball without the bottom falling out of the program as has happened at Holy Cross. It's not like Holy Cross got a new coach and joined the A-10 at the same time. Same league, same level of competition. He's made even Kearney look good, much less Brown and Carmody. And no one - no one - will compare him to Willard.
He may not have lost the players yet but that's probably because of inherent loyalty to the person who gave them full ride scholarships.
Do or die season for Brett, IMO. Like in sports at almost any level, when there is chronic failure, you don't fire all the players, you get rid of the coach/manager first. My hope is that doesn't happen. Less for Nelson and more for the players, the College, the alums, and the Worcester community who all deserve better.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -5
Unless this Pandemic Part 2 ends soon, I bet he gets 4 years unless he truly leaves for greener (an asst somewhere, not a head; of course) pastures. Not offering that as a defense of BN, just guessing what will happen. In fact, I won't be thrilled about it.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2021 16:45:34 GMT -5
As usual, we are straying a bit from the initial point: that there can be a turnover of head coaches in basketball without the bottom falling out of the program as has happened at Holy Cross. It's not like Holy Cross got a new coach and joined the A-10 at the same time. Same league, same level of competition. He's made even Kearney look good, much less Brown and Carmody. And no one - no one - will compare him to Willard. He may not have lost the players yet but that's probably because of inherent loyalty to the person who gave them full ride scholarships. Do or die season for Brett, IMO. Like in sports at almost any level, when there is chronic failure, you don't fire all the players, you get rid of the coach/manager first. My hope is that doesn't happen. Less for Nelson and more for the players, the College, the alums, and the Worcester community who all deserve better. SK suffered from extremely poor timing. He was not a worse coach than BN, actually he was from the same mold minus the high level playing experience (which with $3 will get you a cup of coffee at either DD or Starbucks, whichever you prefer), but he arrived when HC was a much higher profile mid major basketball program with five post season appearances in the past ten years and a fan base that had not yet been beaten into near submission. The jarring difference from HC BB under RW to SK jolted both players and supporters. BN arrived in a different time and the progression from deflating losing under BC to almost unheard of losing under BN has strangely been a little easier to absorb for this fan. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2021 17:47:02 GMT -5
As usual, we are straying a bit from the initial point: that there can be a turnover of head coaches in basketball without the bottom falling out of the program as has happened at Holy Cross. It's not like Holy Cross got a new coach and joined the A-10 at the same time. Same league, same level of competition. He's made even Kearney look good, much less Brown and Carmody. And no one - no one - will compare him to Willard. He may not have lost the players yet but that's probably because of inherent loyalty to the person who gave them full ride scholarships. Do or die season for Brett, IMO. Like in sports at almost any level, when there is chronic failure, you don't fire all the players, you get rid of the coach/manager first. My hope is that doesn't happen. Less for Nelson and more for the players, the College, the alums, and the Worcester community who all deserve better. SK suffered from extremely poor timing. He was not a worse coach than BN, actually he was from the same mold minus the high level playing experience (which with $3 will get you a cup of coffee at either DD or Starbucks, whichever you prefer), but he arrived when HC was a much higher profile mid major basketball program with five post season appearances in the past ten years and a fan base that had not yet been beaten into near submission. The jarring difference from HC BB under RW to SK jolted both players and supporters. BN arrived in a different time and the progression from deflating losing under BC to almost unheard of losing under BN has strangely been a little easier to absorb for this fan. The expectations at HC are too high for the basketball program generally. They should be happy with a NCAA appearance every 5 years and being competitive in the conference every season. Competitive to me is the semis of the conference. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2021 18:04:38 GMT -5
Really? If we didn't already know you were not an HC alum, that'd prove it. First, based on your "every 5 years", we've just barely missed, having done the NCAA in 2016. "Competitive" means we're in the finals and win most times. This is Holy Cross, not UNH. We've got history and higher expectations. Maybe we should offer up Nelson to Durham?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 29, 2021 19:58:50 GMT -5
Why respond to such obnoxious dweebery? Ignore it
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Post by Tom on Dec 30, 2021 9:08:22 GMT -5
Really? If we didn't already know you were not an HC alum, that'd prove it. First, based on your "every 5 years", we've just barely missed, having done the NCAA in 2016. "Competitive" means we're in the finals and win most times. This is Holy Cross, not UNH. We've got history and higher expectations. Maybe we should offer up Nelson to Durham? I think 70 has a pretty high bar for being competitive in the league. In the finals and winning most times. Winning the PLT tournament "most" (and I will define most as more than 50%) sounds more like dominance than being competitive. Back to Foley's comment, I think there is a difference between being competitive in the league and realistically competing for a championship. If HC turns things around this season and finishes 5th - and pulls a minor upset in the quarters to reach the semis, I'd say they were competitive in the league. If while doing that, they get swept by both Colgate and Navy losing all 5 games by 10+ points, I would also say they were not realistically in the hunt for the championship. Kind of like the 2014 season. I agree with 70 that a 2014 type season should not be the goal. I'd love it if HC could duplicate a nine year span like Coach Willard finished with (7 trips to finals - winning most of those trips), but that's pretty tough in a 10 team league with everyone on basically even footing |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 30, 2021 9:53:45 GMT -5
The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.
Army Corps of Engineers
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -5
Really? If we didn't already know you were not an HC alum, that'd prove it. First, based on your "every 5 years", we've just barely missed, having done the NCAA in 2016. "Competitive" means we're in the finals and win most times. This is Holy Cross, not UNH. We've got history and higher expectations. Maybe we should offer up Nelson to Durham? I think 70 has a pretty high bar for being competitive in the league. In the finals and winning most times. Winning the PLT tournament "most" (and I will define most as more than 50%) sounds more like dominance than being competitive. Back to Foley's comment, I think there is a difference between being competitive in the league and realistically competing for a championship. If HC turns things around this season and finishes 5th - and pulls a minor upset in the quarters to reach the semis, I'd say they were competitive in the league. If while doing that, they get swept by both Colgate and Navy losing all 5 games by 10+ points, I would also say they were not realistically in the hunt for the championship. Kind of like the 2014 season. I agree with 70 that a 2014 type season should not be the goal. I'd love it if HC could duplicate a nine year span like Coach Willard finished with (7 trips to finals - winning most of those trips), but that's pretty tough in a 10 team league with everyone on basically even footing Ok...top four seed is a better way of saying it. HC has ONE NCAA appearance in the last 14 seasons and that came after multiple massive upsets in the conference tournament. When you take out Willard's ten seasons, HC has 2 NCAA appearances since the 1980-81 season. They only have five appearances since the 1953-54 season when they won the NIT when you take out the Willard years. Maybe Willard was the outlier? |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 30, 2021 17:14:44 GMT -5
And crossposts is a pretty good place to visit if you take out the foley posts. Why do you insist on trying to create custom stats? Do you think that makes anything better or more clear? |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 30, 2021 18:06:28 GMT -5
And crossposts is a pretty good place to visit if you take out the foley posts. Why do you insist on trying to create custom stats? Do you think that makes anything better or more clear? Those stats paint a grim, painful but accurate picture. To balance them a bit, before the PL HC had to earn an at large bid and that gives us a current golden opportunity with a good coach (if Nelson rebounds or if not, hopefully the next one) to snag either the automatic NCAA bid or occasionally the automatic NIT bid for regular season champs who don't win the PLT, as often as possible. Regarding competitive, if a program averages the semis, they are in the top 30% (not 35% or 40%, right KY?) of a ten team league so that is more than competitive which would be averaging fifth place I would think. |
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