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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 8:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Jan 2, 2022 11:32:34 GMT -5
With Sam Jones’s death, Bob Cousy loses another beloved Celtics teammate By Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist,Updated December 31, 2021, 1:13 p.m.
Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn, and Bob Cousy (left to right) appeared together at a TD Garden ceremony in 2012.
“I just got off the phone with Satch,” Cousy said from his Worcester home Friday morning. “I told him not to look over his shoulder.
“Now we’re down to just three. Satch [Tom Sanders], Russ [Bill Russell], and I are holding up the float, I guess. The last thing I said to Satch was that I’m going to have my lonely New Year’s Eve drink tonight at 6 o’clock and I’m going to hoist it to Sam. I told Satch he should do the same and he said, ‘I won’t have mine till 10,’ and I said, ‘By 10, I will have been asleep for an hour.’ ”
I reached the Cooz about an hour after he’d been contacted by Celtics official Jeff Twiss with the news that Jones had died Thursday night at the age of 88.
“My power’s been off all morning, so I haven’t had any lights or heat,” said Cousy. “But Jeff called and told me that Sam had passed. I called Satch and he was aware of it.
“I hadn’t spoken with Sam in a while, but he’d become close with a dear friend of mine down in Jacksonville. So the last few years I’ve been getting information from Sam. I knew he’d been having some difficulties.”
In the spring of 1957, on the recommendation of former Celtics player Bones McKinney (then coach at Wake Forest), Celtics coach Red Auerbach selected Jones out of tiny North Carolina Central after the Celtics had won their first championship with rookies Russell and Tommy Heinsohn.
Jones didn’t start right away — he had to wait behind Hall of Fame guards Cousy and Bill Sharman — but he played the next 11 seasons with Russell, winning 10 championship rings (second in NBA history) before retiring with Russell after the Celtics beat the Wilt Chamberlain Lakers in 1969.
“It was a shame he had to wait,” said Cousy. “I can’t imagine what it was like for Sam and K.C. [Jones] — both of whom became Hall of Famers — to sit the amount of time they sat waiting for Sharman and I to go away. But Sam got a lot of time. He was my primary target when he got in there. Sam would never [expletive] miss.”
There’s a famous photo of Sam Jones picking up a photographer’s stool to defend himself against Chamberlain at the Old Garden in 1962.
“Sam used to taunt Wilt something terrible,” said the Cooz. “Wilt half the time wouldn’t come down the floor if we were in transition. Sam would be waiting by himself and I would go to that option and Sam would be, like, 20 feet from the basket, waving to Chamberlain — ‘Come on out, big fella,’ and Wilt would take a few steps and Sam would drill that backboard shot, saying, ‘Too late.’ Sam never missed.”
Cousy is 93. The team photo from his final NBA season (1962-63) features 11 Hall of Famers, including Auerbach and Celtics owner Walter Brown. Almost all of those Hall of Fame players had long, full lives, but there have been a lot of these sad phone calls in recent years.
The Celtics family lost John Havlicek in April of 2019, Heinsohn in November of 2020, and K.C. Jones on Christmas Day last year.
Now there is news of the passing of Sam Jones. Delivered on New Year’s Eve.
“It’s just a continuation, unfortunately,” said Cousy. “At this point in my life, especially living alone, that’s what old folks do. We sit and we feel sorry for ourselves. My daughters call me almost every day, so I have contact, but it is a lonely time in your life.
“Every day you are reminded of your mortality. The Big Guy? Is there a Big Guy or not? These are the kinds of thoughts that, when you are in the action, or busy, you very seldom have except when you go to church. Other than that, you don’t dwell on it, but at my age, that’s all you [expletive] do.
“I like to sit and meditate and think. Normally, I blank out all the negative stuff and focus on the positive stuff, but there are times when you get into these kinds of funks, and today will be one. It’s the New Year and Sam has passed and now we’re down to three.”
▪ The Celtics plan to release the names on their 75th anniversary team on or around Jan. 23. Fifteen players will be named to the first, second, and third all-time units.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 11:46:04 GMT -5
Thank you for posting, efg. Guesses on the Celts all 75 year teams Hopefully regardless of positions 1st team - a no brainer: Cooz, Russell, Bird, Havlicek, Cowens Harder- 2nd team- Heinsohn, McHale, Sam Jones, Pierce, Garnett 3rd team- Sharman, KC Jones, Parrish, Ray Allen, Tatum(recency bias ?) HM- Jo Jo White, Sanders, Ramsay, Reggie Lewis I know I have forgotten some.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 12:24:59 GMT -5
Thank you for posting, efg. Guesses on the Celts all 75 year teams Hopefully regardless of positions 1st team - a no brainer: Cooz, Russell, Bird, Havlicek, Cowens Harder- 2nd team- Heinsohn, McHale, Sam Jones, Pierce, Garnett 3rd team- Sharman, KC Jones, Parrish, Ray Allen, Tatum(recency bias ?) HM- Jo Jo White, Sanders, Ramsay, Reggie Lewis I know I have forgotten some. I loved Ray Allen, but Jo Jo White had a longer, sustained contribution than Ray did. The 2008 championship "big three" didn't accomplish as much as the Russell/ Cousy cohort, the Bird/McHale/Parrish big three or the Cowens/Havlicek/White big three coached by Heinsohn in the 70s. Tatum has accomplished nothing yet. Even his TV commercials aren't at the level of past Celtics greats.🙂
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 2, 2022 12:29:35 GMT -5
I haven't followed the NBA in many years but from my time as a Celtics fan I thought of two players who might be considered: (1) Bailey Howell, truly a great NBA player, but he only played 4 or 5 years for the Celtics; (2) Paul Silas, defensive presence for sure, but also just a few years on Celts
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 12:30:01 GMT -5
I would have put White ahead of Tatum, but think the Globe may favor recency, unless O’Shaughnessy has more influence than I believe.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 2, 2022 12:50:33 GMT -5
I would have put White ahead of Tatum, but think the Globe may favor recency, unless O’Shaughnessy has more influence than I believe. Jo Jo White--could not agree more-excellent player and so recognized by the HOF. He had an unusual jump shot--kind of snapped the shot. I recall that there was some thought that Red Auerbach had stolen him in the draft because other teams thought Jo Jo had to go into the Army? I'm not sure if that is true but that's what I recall. I went to grad school with a guy from Boston who had attended JoJo's basketball camp when he was in high school. He said Jo Jo was so fast that he could dribble two balls down court faster than the campers could run without a ball.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 12:56:46 GMT -5
Paul Silas deserves consideration. Glenn "the big O" Ordway was on the selection committee and said the results will be weighted half from the committee and half from the fans so recency bias is a real factor in favor of Tatum. Glenn said he selected Sam Jones when commenting on his death but no other hints.
Frank Ramsey the NBA's original sixth man deserves consideration also.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 2, 2022 13:15:33 GMT -5
The Celtics have had an amazing group of players. I doubt if any other NBA franchise could match them. Truly amazing! And may God Bless the great Mr. Cousy, a childhood idol of mine.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2022 13:42:09 GMT -5
Retired Jersey #s if this helps anyone's memory and choices. Plus there's the current guys, Garnett and Ray Allen.
Chief DJ Russell Jo Jo Cousy Heinsohn Sanders Cowens Luscotoff Nelson (between Nelson and Howell, have to go w/Nelson; and Nelson cost the Celts the princely sum of $100.00) Sharman Maccauley Ramsey Sam Jones KC Jones Maxwell McHale Bird Pierce Lewis
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 13:47:58 GMT -5
The Celtics have had an amazing group of players. I doubt if any other NBA franchise could match them. The Lakers Mikan (in Minneapolis), Jabbar, Chamberlain, West, Magic, Baylor, Worthy, Goodrich, Lebron, Anthony Davis, Kobe, Shaq, Wilkes not too shabby
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 2, 2022 14:14:47 GMT -5
Tim-- I'm skeptical about the preference for Nelson over Bailey Howell, an NBA HOF er as a player. Here's who Sports-Reference has as comparison players for them
Don Nelson Hot Rod Williams David Lee Mark Aguirre Shane Battier Antawn Jamison David West
Bailey Howell Paul Pierce Kevin McHale Adrian dantley Dominique Wilkins Rick Barry Chet Walker
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Post by Chu Chu on Jan 2, 2022 14:19:56 GMT -5
Wow, that is a very poignant story and Cooz really shared about some serious feelings. Alas.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2022 14:44:35 GMT -5
Tim-- I'm skeptical about the preference for Nelson over Bailey Howell, an NBA HOF er as a player. Here's who Sports-Reference has as comparison players for them Don NelsonHot Rod Williams David Lee Mark Aguirre Shane Battier Antawn Jamison David West Bailey HowellPaul Pierce Kevin McHale Adrian dantley Dominique Wilkins Rick Barry Chet Walker Better NBA player for sure, thanks. Celtics, kinda debatable, as Nelson was around longer. But Bailey's stats vis-a-vis Nelson in the same seasons were better; even in his early 30s, which was pretty old at the time, so I can cheerfully concede you have a better argument. One thing that's impressive is how many times each of them played every game in a given season, according to Basketball Reference.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 2, 2022 16:32:19 GMT -5
Sanders lives out my way, in Sturbridge..I see him on occasion, in restaurants or at HS basketball games (he still loves the game!)..
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 2, 2022 16:39:26 GMT -5
I have one odd memory of Satch Sanders, other than being a great defensive player on the great Celtics teams. If Bill Russell really needed a breather --and he played 45 minutes a game-- Satch would resort to "losing" a contact lens and the game would be stopped so the players could look for it. Inevitably, he'd "find" it, pop it back in, and the Celts would resume play with a more rested center.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 16:48:10 GMT -5
I saw Satch play for NYU. A big rivalry game in MSG (Catholics vs the enemy) against Manhattan saw the largest, longest brawl I have ever seen at a basketball game. It was vicious and Satch was in the middle of it. Must have been in Feb, 1960. NYU won the game by 20. The fight was a draw.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 16:56:31 GMT -5
I have one odd memory of Satch Sanders, other than being a great defensive player on the great Celtics teams. If Bill Russell really needed a breather --and he played 45 minutes a game-- Satch would resort to "losing" a contact lens and the game would be stopped so the players could look for it. Inevitably, he'd "find" it, pop it back in, and the Celts would resume play with a more rested center. Red didn't miss a trick. Red never traded Bird or McHale as they aged but still could have brought good value and Danny Ainge did trade Pierce and Garnett and received a King's ransom in draft choices in return - but Ainge never won anything with the haul he received so I think Red made the right decision. Russell, Cousy, Heinsohn, KC, Sam, Hondo, etc., also didn't get traded and I think that added to the Celtics culture over the years.
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Post by Tom on Jan 2, 2022 17:30:30 GMT -5
Sanders lives out my way, in Sturbridge..I see him on occasion, in restaurants or at HS basketball games (he still loves the game!).. Sanders has showed up at multiple HC-Harvard games as a spectator over the years
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Post by Tom on Jan 2, 2022 17:39:20 GMT -5
I have one odd memory of Satch Sanders, other than being a great defensive player on the great Celtics teams. If Bill Russell really needed a breather --and he played 45 minutes a game-- Satch would resort to "losing" a contact lens and the game would be stopped so the players could look for it. Inevitably, he'd "find" it, pop it back in, and the Celts would resume play with a more rested center. Red didn't miss a trick. Red never traded Bird or McHale as they aged but still could have brought good value and Danny Ainge did trade Pierce and Garnett and received a King's ransom in draft choices in return - but Ainge never won anything with the haul he received so I think Red made the right decision. Russell, Cousy, Heinsohn, KC, Sam, Hondo, etc., also didn't get traded and I think that added to the Celtics culture over the years. One time another team tried to trade an aging star (Dr, J?) but the trade fell through when the player did something like threaten to retire. Anyhow, Red called out the other team saying you don't trade aging stars. If someone played most of their career for you and won some titles, you give them their day, retire their number, etc
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2022 17:49:28 GMT -5
Cousy did get "traded"!
In 69-70 Cousy had just started coaching the Cincinnati Royals and needed some depth at the guard position. He chose himself, figured he could play 5-10 minutes a game and help out (which, it turned out, he couldn't, retired for good after 7 games).
Red immediately pointed out to the NBA that the Celts still had Cousy's rights. So, the Royals had to give up a player (Bill Dinwiddie) for him. Not a bad return for a 41 year old guy who had been retired for 6 years.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 17:56:58 GMT -5
Cousy did get "traded"! In 69-70 Cousy had just started coaching the Cincinnati Royals and needed some depth at the guard position. He chose himself, figured he could play 5-10 minutes a game and help out (which, it turned out, he couldn't, retired for good after 7 games). Red immediately pointed out to the NBA that the Celts still had Cousy's rights. So, the Royals had to give up a player (Bill Dinwiddie) for him. Not a bad return for a 41 year old guy who had been retired for 6 years. And not a bad player name for a trivia question.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 2, 2022 18:03:26 GMT -5
Thank you for posting, efg. Guesses on the Celts all 75 year teams Hopefully regardless of positions 1st team - a no brainer: Cooz, Russell, Bird, Havlicek, Cowens Harder- 2nd team- Heinsohn, McHale, Sam Jones, Pierce, Garnett 3rd team- Sharman, KC Jones, Parrish, Ray Allen, Tatum(recency bias ?) HM- Jo Jo White, Sanders, Ramsay, Reggie Lewis I know I have forgotten some. Pretty much in agreement, but for some reason I never warmed up to Pierce. I’d probably (reluctantly) put him on my third team - if not HM. Where’s Henry “Don’t call me Hank” Finkel?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 18:10:55 GMT -5
Who is HM ?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 18:23:16 GMT -5
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